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HomeMy WebLinkAboutApril 26, 2005 C/C Minutes Meridian City Council Aprii 26. 2005 Page 24 of 31 Bird: Yeah. And that multi-family could be -- one unit could have six, one unit could have eight, one unit could have four. I realize these are all fours out there, but I would -- before I vote for it, I want an exact number, like 16. Wardle: Are they -- Bevan: They have four units. Sixteen would be -- Wardle: The maker of the motion would revise his motion to be 16 -- release the certificate of occupancies for 16 dwelling units. Donnell: And the second agrees. Bird: Okay. Bevan: Thank you. De Weerd: Okay. Any further discussion? Mr. Berg. Roll-Call: Bird, yea; Rountree, absent; Wardle, yea; Donnell, yea. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT. De Weerd: If you will, please, get that to my office tomorrow, so we can get this going as soon as possible. Bevan: I certainly will. Thank you very much. Thank you all. Donnell: Thanks. Item 7: (Items Moved from Consent Agenda) De Weerd: Okay. There were no items moved from the Consent Agenda. Item 8: Public Hearing: Review of the Louisiana-Pacific Corporation Business Expansion Project activities and accomplishments to date which shall include a summary of all expenditures to date, a general description of the remaining work, and any changes made to the scope of work, budget, schedule, location, objectives, and I or beneficiaries for the Idaho Community Development Block Grant: (To be continued May 3, 2005 for LPC Presentation) De Weerd: We will move to Item 8. Public Hearing -- do I understand, Mr. Nary, that this is being postponed until next week? No? Okay. Maridian City Council April 26. 2005 Page 25 of 31 Berg: Madam Mayor, if I could -- before you open the hearing, because Louisiana Pacific was unable to come and present or give you an update on their project, they would like it continued until next week, so that they can do their portion, but we advertised it and we have a gentleman from Sage that will be here to present the update on the expenditures to date. De Weerd: Okay. Great. Thank you for that clarification. I remember seeing something come through. Okay. I will go ahead and open the Public Hearing, Item No.8, review of Louisiana Pacific Corporation Expansion Project. Augustine: Good evening, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. My name is Carl Augustine, I'm a planning specialist for Community Economic Development with Sage Community Resources. As you are aware, the issue you have before you is a Public Hearing and these Public Hearing formats always start out with an orientation to address the issues required by the HUD regulations concerning the Idaho Community Development Block Grant funding. So, bear with me as I provide you and the other members present with this information. Once I conclude, I will, then, turn the floor back to the Mayor and Council, who will, then, open up the Public Hearing for comment. Nary: Madam Mayor. Sorry to interrupt before you begin. My office and myself received a number of requests from people that were interested in this issue, but they also saw on the -- including Louisiana Pacific, but also members of the community, probably not to really talk about the grant regarding Louisiana Pacific specifically, but because they saw on the agenda that it was going to be continued, I don't know that's why people aren't here and I hate for Mr. Augustine to go through this -- this part of the presentation and, then, more people show up next week and have to go through it again, so they understand context of what we are talking about. Augustine: That's all right. I will be present next week and I will provide this information again next week, since it's being continued over two Council meetings. Nary: Okay. I just didn't want to make it redundant for no reason, but just seeing -- I don't know if people will come, but I certainly had a lot of e-mails and calls, so -- De Weerd: Okay. Mr. Augustine, do you want to just go ahead and wait until next week to do the presentation or are we meeting some kind of a time frame? Augustine: Well, it's more one of those procedural kinds of things that you have to do. You do have to do a Public Hearing and I guess if there is no one else here present, then, maybe it makes -- by the way, this is my coworker here. De Weerd: Okay. He's not going to provide -- Augustine: He's doing some observation for training purposes this evening and so it's really at our pleasure. Meridian City Council April 26. 2005 Page 26 of 31 De Weerd: Council, what is your pleasure? Bird: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Mr. Bird. Bird: If it isn't a requirement, I'd just as soon -- I have to agree with Mr. Nary that I would prefer to have him present this next week and us to continue this Public Hearing, which you have already opened, I believe, until May 3rd, so that if there is anybody that wants to be here can be here. Right now what he's going to be giving is just to us and I think that I would prefer to wait and do the whole thing next week. Donnell: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Mrs. Donnell. Donnell: Just for clarification, as I read the description of this hearing, my concern would be, Mr. Nary, that the people that are interested in this are more interested in, you know, the noise issue, rather than actually what this says, which is really the description of what the block grant is all about. Is that right? So, my question is if we continue this until next week and folks come, because they are concerned about the noise and they sit in our -- in the audience and they listen to a discussion about the block grant, will that not be annoying to them? And, if so, then, should we not just listen to this description of the block grant this evening and, then, not next week -- or do we have to listen to it then, again, next week? Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Councilmember Donnell, part of the reason, unfortunately, that it was set over to next week is because Louisiana Pacific couldn't be here to also give you the update. I totally agree with you, I don't believe a majority of the people understand the context of the hearing. The only reason I suggested in not hearing the presentation tonight is so that they can hear what the context of the hearing is about before they testify. There are a number of folks that have contacted my office, either through e-mail or the phone, that do tie this expansion to the noise increase. So, there probably will be some people that will raise that issue of the connection of those things, but my fear is if they don't hear the context of what the hearing is about and we hear it tonight, they are going to come and all they are going to talk about is noise and nothing else. So, I think it might be more of a free for all if you don't hear them in sequence that way. Donnell: Okay. Augustine: I will say under the circumstances, Madam Mayor and Members of the Council, where there is a continuance or we do two public hearings, we read this twice, irrespective, so that anybody who is in attendance would understand it and I understand from what you're saying, Councilwoman Donnell, that you all have been provided a copy of -- so to speak, in terms of what I'm going to say. Meridian City Council April 26. 2005 Page 27 of 31 Donnell: Yes. Yes. Augustine: The advertisement in the Valley Times did explain specifically what the project's about and, you know, if they want to come and make comments about a noise related sort of thing and make the nexus between the two issues, certainly that's what citizen participation is all about. Donnell: Madam Mayor? De Weerd: Mrs. Donnell. Donnell: Follow up, then. So, Mr. Augustine, are you saying, then, it has to be read twice, whether it's tonight or it has to be next week and, then, another week? Did I misunderstand you? Augustine: No. You only have to do one Public Hearing. The only reason we are doing the continuance is simply to accommodate Louisiana Pacific officials. However, if you want me to read it tonight, that's fine. If you wish to decline and defer it until next week, you certainly can do that. But anytime we do have that meeting and there are people present -- in this particular case there isn't, and you already have the text of what I'm going to say, given the hour, I would stand down and -- Donnell: Oh, this is early. This is early. De Weerd: The hour is early. Yes. I think the preference would be to hear it once and not -- Augustine: Although I have been told my oratory is quite spellbinding and if you would prefer me to wax nostalgic, I could. De Weerd: Well, good, we will look forward to next week. Donnell: I'm excited. De Weerd: Mr. Wardle. Wardle: Madam Mayor, with that I move that we continue the Public Hearing on Item No.8 to next week, which is May 3rd. Donnell: Second. De Weerd: Okay. It's been moved and seconded to continue this Public Hearing to May 3rd. All those in favor say aye. All aye. Motion carries. MOTION CARRIED: THREE AYES. ONE ABSENT. Meridian City Council Aprii 26, 2005 Page 260f31 Augustine: If I may, Mr. Berg has indicated that it is your standard procedure to put Public Hearings at the end or toward end of your City Council meeting. Usually these things move rather quickly. This usually takes about five or ten minutes in most settings, so I don't know if you might want to consider moving it to the front, but I guess if we are going to have -- yes, you could follow your standard procedure. Bird: We never know. De Weerd: It's hard to say, but since this is continued, it will have the first position in the Public Hearing section. How is that? Donnell: Thank you. De Weerd: Thank you for joining us and we apologize. You will have to join us again. Donnell: Uh-huh. Take the tub. Item 9: Ordinance No. 05-1141 : Licensed Alcohol Establishments and Prohibiting Two License Establishments within the Same Premise: (Third Reading - Public Comment will be Accepted): De Weerd: Okay. Item No.9 is Ordinance No. 05-1141. This is the third reading. Mr. Berg, will you, please, read this by title only. Berg: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Ordinance No. 05-1141, an ordinance amending Title 3, Chapter 2, Section 2 of the Meridian City Code regarding amending the requirements for licensed alcohol establishments and prohibiting two licensed establishments within the same premise, providing a savings clause and providing for a summary and providing an effective date. De Weerd: Thank you. And I don't think I need to ask if anyone wants to hear it read in its entirety, because it would only be Council. Okay. This was the third reading, so we can -- Mr. Nary, I assume we can go ahead and move to -- Nary: Madam Mayor, that's correct. We are seeking public comment, you don't need to close the hearing or anything like that, you can proceed, if there is approval for the ordinance. I just wanted to put on the record Mr. Bates was here prior to the meeting, he had the same question that's been asked a couple of times, including by Council, regarding the addressing of his establishment. I told him, again, as we discussed, that as long as you can designate a suite or a premise within that facility -- I spoke with Mr. Freckleton from our development services division, he also was comfortable that we could find the ability to address, even if it's a closet, as long as they had a separate entrance or some way that the post office could deliver mail to it, so there was not a concern that we couldn't do that. Mr. Bates said that that was fine with him, then, he wasn't going to stay for that, but I wanted you to know he was here -- he's the only one