March 3, 2005 P&Z Minutes
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Zaremba: Yes.
Borup: I think the difference between the two is there were lots eliminated and some of
those other concessions.
Canning: Chairman Zaremba, yeah, the pictures I have shown you tonight are of the
one that was sent to the neighbors and the one that the letter is based on. But the staff
report had a different preliminary plat date. So, the correct date would be the March
2nd date.
Zaremba: Okay. Do we need to amend the motion to reference that plat?
Nary: Yeah. Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, if -- that was the basis of all
the testimony that you have received, so to make it clear from the record that that's what
you have based your decision on, then, that should be part of your motion.
Zaremba: Commissioner Rohm, would you care to amend --
Newton-Huckabay: So, everything that we had -- all the copies that we had in front of
us tonight and on the board were the amended one?
Rohm: Right. Mr. Chairman?
Zaremba: Commissioner Rohm.
Rohm: I would like to amend all three motions to include the plat dated March 2nd,
2005.
Moe: Second.
Zaremba: Okay. We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Any opposed?
That motion to amend carries five to nothing.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Zaremba: All right. Thank you all very much for your input. There will be another
Public Hearing in front of the City Council on the same subject. And we traditionally
take a break about 9:00 o'clock, which we have passed. We will take about a ten
minute break and reconvene.
(Recess.)
Item 12:
Public Hearing: PP 05-005 Request to amend the Preliminary Plat (PP
02-007) to add seven additional building lots for Heritage Commons by
Brighton Investments, LLC - west of Locust Grove Road and north of
Ustick Road:
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Zaremba: Ladies and gentlemen, we will reconvene and let the record show that all the
Commissioners are present again and we will proceed onto Item 12. This is -- we will
open the Public Hearing for PP 05-005, request to amend the preliminary plat to add
seven additional building lots for Heritage Commons and we will begin with the staff
report.
Guenther: Thank you, Mr. Chair. The request is for actually 27 -- did this get turned
on? Okay. The request is for 27 residential lots. The original proposal had -- okay.
The original proposal is in this location here for 21 lots. The applicant has come back
and made a request for 27 lots. There was an amendment made to the preliminary plat
and that was dated -- it just says January 25. They reduced their lots by one in the
original proposal. This is the original layout for the preliminary plat. This is the new
layout. They did reduce this side by one. There was originally I believe seven lots in --
or eight lots in here and now it's going to be seven lots in there. Like I said, there is 27
lots in this configuration, although they would be reduced by one. We have discussed
this with the fire department and SSC and they brought back comments on the alley-
loaded product and we had, actually, asked them to give us comment on that, based on
how -- their serviceability has been traditionally and they are satisfied with the 16 foot
alleys, based on our conversation last week. At this time I have nothing further to add,
other than staff is recommending approval of this redesign.
Zaremba: Questions from the Commissioners? Seeing none, would the applicant care
to comment?
Turnbull: Thank you, Chairman Zaremba. David Turnbull, Brighton Corporation, 12601
West Explorer Drive, Boise. It seems like I was here some time earlier today.
Zaremba: Well, you look familiar.
Turnbull: Just very simply -- could you go back to the original layout that -- in the
original layout I have always been a little bit troubled with this. This is going to be our
last phase and, you know, I think what I consider a better design dawned on me and so
we brought that forward. Originally we had some alley loaded products here and in
between just five kind of standard front-on garage homes sandwiched in between them.
That part always bothered me. Also, this is a residential collector road here and I don't
think we really want to have parking -- these would be the front of these houses here.
So, we thought it was appropriate to get those aligned more to these local streets, so
that people could park in front of their homes and collector street, really, that's simply
the reason for this adjustment. Plus the fact that the first phase of our -- what we call
Carriage Lane homes proved to be very popular and we'd like to add some more. So,
that's the reason for this request. Thank you. Any questions? Thank you.
Zaremba: Makes sense to me. If something sells, you might as well do more of them.
Turnbull: And we are in concurrence with the staff conditions.
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Zaremba: Great. Thank you. Any questions from the Commissioners?
Newton-Huckabay: I have none.
Rohm: Way too easy.
Zaremba: Yes. We do have some people signed up. I will begin with Rebecca Klaus
Young.
Young: And I'm, actually, going to go ahead and speak for the others that are signed up
on there.
Zaremba: Okay. Let me mention who those are. They are Dan Young and Vanessa
Klaus.
Young: Right. We are the ten acres that's right on the north --
Zaremba: We need your name and address.
Young: I'm Rebecca Klaus Young, 4053 North Locust Grove Road.
Zaremba: Thank you.
Young: Okay. And I'm -- they have it listed as East Lake Street, it is actually Herons
Lane. I don't know how that got on there, but it is supposed to be Herons Lane. I talked
to David a little bit this evening and the only thing that I had a concern about -- and he's
given me the names of who I should actually talk to, but I thought I could address it to
Bruce a little bit -- is that if you guys have any notes that there is a problem with that
sewer line that's going down that road right now. Do you have any of that -- would you
have any of that in your notes or your records?
Zaremba: We have not heard of there being a problem.
Young: Have you, Bruce?
Zaremba: I will address that to Mr. Freckleton.
Freckleton: Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, we did have some odor
complaints. We have -- to our knowledge we have corrected those. We had some
issues with --
Young: Okay. Go ahead.
Freckleton: We had some issues with some timing of the cycling of the lift station
pumps over at Vienna Woods. We have made corrections to that. Part of the problem
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was the size of the lift station wet well was sized to handle a very large area and with
Vienna Woods and Edinburgh being the only two developments, basically, that were
flowing to that lift station, it wasn't turning over often enough and so the sewage sat
there longer what we wanted it to and you start developing odors when it sits too long
and so we increased the --
Zaremba: Are you saying the problem was not having enough sewage?
Freckleton: Basically, yes. Yeah. That's exactly it. So, we have made some changes
to that. It sounds like maybe we have still got some problems, so we--
Young: It's worse.
Freckleton: -- definitely need to hear from you.
Young: It's worse on our street. The problem being is that the manhole -- the one that
is right in front of our driveway and, then, the next one is up by our mail boxes, which
are up on North Locust Grove -- we are kind of a ways down that, that's a dirt road right
now -- and that's going to be my next question -- and it is -- what I'm fearful of is with the
density of those homes this last -- this last development area here is going to bring them
closer to my house, of course, and I have animals, horses, barns -- I don't want to be at
-- being faulted for that. I want it to be understood that that's where that's coming from.
I don't want to be here trying to get my issues put across at a later time --
Freckleton: Sure.
Young: -- because somebody is thinking it's coming from my property.
Freckleton: Right.
Young: And it's uncomfortable for us, too, so --
Freckleton: Sure. One other thing that we do have in the works is we are building a
sewer trunk that's going to go up there and take that lift station off line and that lift
station is going to go away and everything will flow to the trunk and so the issues that
we have been experiencing with that lack of turnover are going to go away. So,
hopefully, in the very short -- in a very short time frame we will totally eliminate that
problem.
Young: Okay. Well - and the most important thing was I just wanted it to get on the
record.
Freckleton: Sure.
Young: For that.
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Freckleton: I appreciate that.
Young: I think it might be an issue later with these homes next to us, because we are in
a very different lifestyle to theirs, so -- and, then, my next question tonight was just
simply there is going to be a change -- thanks -- where the roads now come out into our
road, that Herons Lane there, instead of two turnouts there is going to be four now,
which I have already worked with Dave on, we are going to get some cluster trees and
some stuff like that, so I think that we can work that out okay. The only thing is is I don't
know what the plans for stop signs or what the speed is going to be in there or -- is
there any of that stuff being addressed tonight? That is going to be a fairly heavy
volume -- what's.that?
Zaremba: The roadways are normally ACHD's responsibility.
Young: That's what I'm always told, but -- you know.
Zaremba: Well, give me a little background. Is Herons Lane a private road or is it a
public road or--
Young: Well, it's private now. It's a dirt road right now, but we are working with David
and that is getting put through, it's going to be developed as those homes are
developed and he's been very very good about accommodating us, about trying to give
us a barrier there, but I'm worried about -- I want some kind of restrictions put out there
about the speed, because it's a straight shot from all the back subdivisions to go to the
school across North Locust Grove and we are almost looking at another Eagle Road out
there. I mean the school goes in so many cycles, they have like a morning shift and,
then, the afternoon shift, so you have got four different shifts of parents bringing kids in
and out right there on that corner.
Zaremba: Okay. We will ask for comment on those subjects.
Young: Okay. And so that's all -- I just wanted to know how can I get information on
what are going to be the speed limits set on that road, where are there going to be stop
signs, and such.
Zaremba: That will eventually be ACHD's decision, but --
Young: Okay. Do you how I can get that information, though?
Zaremba: Mr. Turnbull may have some input into what he's suggesting to them.
Nary: Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman?
Zaremba: Yes,
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Nary: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, if that's going to eventually be a
public roadway, the city has a traffic safety commission that makes recommendation to
the highway district about speed limits based on those types of comments. If she wants
to contact Captain Overton with the Meridian Police Department, he's a member of that
commission, and make those concerns known, so that that can get passed on through
our process with our commission to the highway district.
Zaremba: Thank you. Okay. That constitutes the list of people that signed up,
Anybody else care to comment on this subject? Mr. Turnbull.
Turnbull: As far as the street here, I believe generally speed limits on local streets are
25 miles per hour and there will be a stop sign here at Locust Grove Road initially. I am
-- if the time comes when a traffic signal is warranted, that was placed at the half mile
section, so that -- and lined up with the school property across the road, so that it could
be signalized in the future if ACHD finds that there is traffic warrants for it. And I just
don't have any response for this sewer issue. I think that's in Bruce's court. I might
point out that the sewage is coming from his project, but --
Zaremba: The problem is not enough of it, you know, can you get people to flush more
or something?
Turnbull: Other than that, I think I'm done, unless you have questions for me.
Zaremba: Thank you. Commissioners?
Moe: Mr. Chairman, I move that we close the Public Hearing on PP 05-005.
Rohm: Second.
Zaremba: We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Anyopposed? That
motion carries.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Moe: Mr. Chairman?
Zaremba: Commissioner Moe.
Moe: I move that we forward to City Council recommending approval of PP 05-005, to
include all staff comments of the hearing date March 3rd, 2005, received from the city
clerk's office February 25th, 2005.
Rohm: Second.
Zaremba: We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Anyopposed? That
motion carries.