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Home My WebLink About942 E Pine Ave Fred & Linda SpanglerMERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: March 7 1995 APPLICANT: FRED SPANGLER ITEM NUMBER; 15 REQUEST; REQUEST HOOK UP TO CITY SEWER AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: R ft-fivff_N io7 1►IWA CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION; SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: BUREAU OF RECLAMATION: OTHER: All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. 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CROOKSTON, JR., Attorney HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY A Good Place to Live CITY OF MERIDIAN 33 EAST IDAHO MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 Phone (208) 888-4433 • FAX (208) 887-4813 Public Works/Building Department (208) 887-2211 GRANT P. KINGSFORD Mayor March 10, 1995 Fred and Linda Spangler 942 E. Pine Avenue Meridian, ID 83642 888-3679 or 376-0061 RE: Request for Sewer Hook-up Dear Mr. & Mrs. Spangler, COUNCIL MEMBERS RONALD R. TOLSMA MAX YERRINGTON ROBERT D. CORRIE WALT W. MORROW SHARI STILES Planner & Zoning Administrator JIM JOHNSON Chairman - Planning & Zoning At the City Council meeting on Tuesday, March 7, 1995, you requested a hook-up to our sewer line. You understood the fees and conditions required for the hook-up. After the discussion with the City Council, they decided to deny your request for sewer hook-up. Please contact me if you have any questions concerning this matter. Sincerely, 4,4ZK ,4 William G. Berg, Jr. City Clerk Meridian City Council March 7, 1995 Page 34 Corrie: We are not changing the number of children or anything like that. (Inaudible) Yerrington: Mr. Mayor, I would approve this transfer of this license. Kingsford: You approve of it but would you make the motion to approve it? Yerrington: I make the motion to aprpove of it. Tolsma: Second Kingsford: Moved by Max, second by Ron to approve of the transfer of the conditional use permit to Wilson's from Peckham's all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #15: FRED SPANGLER: REQUEST HOOK UP TO CITY SEWER: Kingsford: Does the Council have any questions, you are familiar with that. It is a parcel of land on East Pine that is not in the city limits at this time. You were advised that being out of the City limits it is a double hook up, you were invited to be annexed. (Inaudible) Kingsford: We would be glad to annex you and not charge you the double fee. Spangler: Well, how long will that take, it has already taken me 90 days now through Ada County, they denied me. I came to you guys, I have waited 2 meetings now to see you. Kingsford: I wouldn't be surprised that what this Council might very well say you can hook up if you start that and get it done in a timely fashion and be annexed. That is kind of an enclave out there. Spangler: It is going to happen eventually you are going to annex me into the City of Meridian, but back in through my studies of the sewer hook up there is not a line directly across the street for me to hook up so it is going to take me an additional $10,500 to hook up to the City of Meridian and that includes my impact fee. That is to dig across Pine Street and to hook up. That is from my foundation across Pine. Now, Ada County who I have already talked to last week they said, people are going to be building on the south side of Pine Street eventually within 2 years. They are covering up what I call the Meridian City Council March 7, 1995 Page 35 mosquito nest and putting a big culvert in there. Which that is one the south side of Pine street that is where the sewer sits. So, there we are going to have to widen the road because they are going to put a subdivision in there anyway.within 2 to 3 years. That is my understand 2 to 3 years maybe 4 years. Ada County says I can have 2 bedrooms and I can stay hooked up until the development goes across Pine Street and they covered that up that way if they decide to widen Pine Street that would be the time for me to hook up because then I don't have to cut the asphalt. The cost is cutting the asphalt, it is not hooking up, $2740 1 will pay that to hook up but what is costing me is that $10,500. . Tolsma: They are charging you that much? Spangler: That is one estimate that I got. Kingsford: That is cutting the asphalt Spangler: And digging 2 feet down, I have to have permits from Ada County to get digging everything. That is what I found out on my vacation last week, it kind of bummed me out. Kingsford: If it is any consolation Ada County Highway District treats us the same way. Yerrington: How many feet do you have to go with this line? Spangler: Sir, I have got to go roughly off of my foundation down my lane is going to probably be 157 feet. That is the the edge of Pine Street and then there is another 12 maybe 15 across or 20 feet across Pine Street and then 15 feet down. Kingsford: What is that Gary, 18 inch, that was the line that was laid out. Smith: I think it is 15 inch. Kingsford: Well that was just my pitch, we would welcome you to the City. Does the Council have any questions with regard to that hook up? Is there a motion? Morrow: I don't have a problem with it, I am still not clear in my mind what the objection is to being annexed to the City and I know he mentioned an impact fee. I don't know where an impact fee applies to an existing residence, it is simply adding Kingsford: I think what he is talking about is our hook up fee isn't it? He was not referring to an impact fee but rather our connection fee, reserve capacity. Meridian City Council March 7, 1995 Page 36 Morrow: I understand that, the statement was impact and I didn't understand how the impact applied to this particular situation. And the question in terms of, you feel it is less expensive not to be in the City? Spangler: Well, it is not that I feel it is inexpensive to be in the City, it is cheaper for me to go ahead and go with Ada County with the Health Department way of saying that within the period of time before they develop the area across Pine Street and widen Pine Street, widening Pine Street would be the time for me to put my sewer and annex all at the same time. Because in a period of time, it is a small parcel, it is a half acre, I am Ada County I am not City. So, when they decide to tear up Pine Street at that point in time than I can hook into it. Kingsford: So what you are saying is you just want an approval from us, you don't plan to do that connection until that street is widened. Spangler: Well, no, that is not what I am after, if you say no this is not the right time for you to hook up than I can go to Ada County and put in a 2 bedroom 1100 square foot home on this property, 3 bedroom they want me to hook up to City sewer. I have a 2 bedroom (inaudible) and they have got to know in a reasonable amount of time when this hook up if I can save up money and hook up within the next 2 years I can do that or find a reasonable price on digging cost across Pine Street. Kingsford: I guess Fred I would ask you what do you want us to say? You want us to tell you that you can't hook up? Spangler: I came over and talked to Will and went and talked to Gary and then I received a phone call from the Health Department last Thursday. He asked me, I thought you were going to put a 3 bedroom additional onto the existing home that you have. I am going no, I want to put a new home on a foundation, well that changed the whole story around and here I am up here talking to you. I am putting a 2 bedroom with a den and they are saying now I can hook up and use my own original system until it is time for me to hook up or you zone me into the City of Meridian and hook up at that time. Morrow: Let me see if I understand there is no house on this site at present time? Spangler: There is a single wide mobile. Morrow: A single wide mobile home that has a septic system and what you are wishing to do is to take that single wide mobile home off the lot, build a 2 bedroom house with a den and utilize that same system. Meridian City Council March 7, 1995 Page 37 Spangler: Right, until you annex me into the City of Meridian and then at that point in time hook up to the City sewer. That is my thinking. Morrow; So what you are basically wanting us to tell you and Ada County is that no we won't provide the service or allow you to hook up to our line so that Ada County Health Department will allow you to build the thing and hook it to the septic system. Spangler: That is correct. Kingsford: So you want us to turn you down? Spangler: Yes Kingsford: We can do that, that puts us back on balance, we like to approve a certain number and deny a certain number. Spangler: Well until you annex me into the City of Meridian, when you annex me into the City of Meridian then I will hook up to city sewer. Kingsford: We would like to do that. Spangler: (Inaudible) within like a year because they have to be notified of that a year to 2 that you are going to annex me to the City of Meridian and at that certain time then I can go ahead and run my line as I am digging my foundation to the edge of my property to the edge of Pine Street than all I have to do is go (inaudible). Kingsford: You are virtually an enclave out there now, we would like to kind of clean up some of those. Spangler: I am a red light district in a subdivision. Kingsford: Don't say that this is a public meeting down. Morrow: So moved Corrie: Second would entertain a motion to turn him Kingsford: Moved by Walt, second by Bob to deny the request to sewer hook up, all those in favor? Opposed? Meridian City Council March 7, 1995 Page 38 MOTION CARRIED: All Yea Kingsford: Any time you would like to be in the City pick up an application we would be glad to take you in because we like to clean up those jagged marks. (Inaudible) Kingsford: I would say in the next couple of days Mr. Berg will have that letter for you and a copy of those minutes. ITEM #16: US BANK: REQUEST EXTENSION ON TEMPORARY OFFICE AT 132 E. FAIRVIEW: Kingsford: Gin ��"� � � HVIUMMIN dO AJ,10 I Eli MATMIOGH t 62? q,--- 56`6' ' -f14 0 l Lsitgned-----ADAMS BUSINES 9711 -' -! ------------Z z i CATRt' ---- PA I I 1! f —SU BD. 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