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HomeMy WebLinkAboutLDS Church Locust Grove and UstickSECEIVED A 5 19598 May 4, 1998 Mr. William Berg, Jr. City Clerk 33 East Idaho Avenue Meridian, Idaho 83642 Re: LDS Church - Locust Grove and Ustick LCA N2 97030.01 4-d Dear Mr. Berg: Sinco 19/2 lam inthe process of submitting the final construction documents for permitting forthe referenced project. I have been discussing the possibility of obtaining sewer and water services fromthe City with staff and am requesting that this issue be added to the agenda of your next available City Council meeting. I have enclgsed`site plans for you use-andfeel free to call with any questions you may have. amc rely, P� LO ARD CONRAD CHITECTS, PA l; .G' teven M. Simmons, AIA/CSI Associate Principal Encl. cc: Garth Jensen Dean Briggs SMS/jb: 97030-01 L01 I=OMBARD-CONRAD, ARCHITECTS, P.A. © 1221 SHORELINE LANE, BOISE, IDAHO 83702-6080 © (200) 3115-5677 © FAX (208) 3111-9002 1071 IDAHO STREET, ELKO, NEVADA 89801 ® (702) 778-9494 e FAX (702) 770-0495 19800 VILLAGE OFFICE COURT, 9103, BEND, Ont 0 ON 97'/02 w (561) 302-9657 - FAX (541) 305-88,116 05/19/98 14:10 FAX 2083449002 LOMBARD CONRAD 'I'[ film IA N., Ni �. MAY 19 '98 14:16 2083449002 PAGE.02 3. all- 1 ■�. ■ �f f-- .:�� 'I'[ film IA N., Ni �. MAY 19 '98 14:16 2083449002 PAGE.02 3. 1 'I'[ film IA N., Ni �. MAY 19 '98 14:16 2083449002 PAGE.02 3. 05/19/98 14:11 FAX 2083449002 LOMBARD CONRAD 10003 S05,jf441JG00 Monitoring, Johnson .",..- ..Well B-4 Project Site-' -�rn a Well B-6 Ustick Road Note: Site map provided by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day SaintsAPPROWATE SCALE n!!�� and modified by Terracon. 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CC: ❑ GARTH JENSEN - LDS PHYSICAL FACILITIES ❑ KURT - BRIGGS ENGINEERING ❑ ROD MULDER - MULDER ENG. ❑ TODD - ENGINEERING INC �< r� t�' G " 0-F-m�tr> 4. 0,P) � 4 V ❑ JOHN KOUDELKA - LDS PM GROUP ❑ TOM SOUTH - SOUTH LANDSCAPE ❑ JAN - STAPLEY ENGINEERING 0 GERALD NELSON - SPECTRUM 11 OTHER MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: JUNE 2. 1998 APPLICANT: LDS CHURCH ITEM NUMBER: 2 REQUEST: HOOK UP TO CITY WATER AND SEWER— LOCUST GROVE AND USTICK AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: SEE ATTACHED MINUTES FROM 5/19/98 CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY: CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: BUREAU OF RECLAMATION: OTHER: All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Meridian City Council June 2, 1998 Page 5 Corrie: If I'm not mistaken, that water is on the north side of Chinden Boulevard; is that correct? So they would have to go underneath the highway to do that. Bird: Mr. Mayor, as I understood when we talked to United Water last Tuesday, when they come in to PUC, which they have to come in to PUC, they get a block and even though it's in our impact, it's not an entity. It would have to be within our city limits as I understood it before we would be able to stop it. I think you are going to get when they go to PUC, if from what I understood is right, they are going to get more than just where this church is going. They are going to get a block out there, and we are not going to stop them because it is in our impact area, but it isn't an entity. Gary, is that your understanding too? Smith: Mayor and Council, Councilman Bird, that's what I understood that if they had a small area that was requesting service, they wouldn't just ask the PUC for that small area. They would attach that small area to more landmass and connect it to their existing boundaries and to follow your word, they would go after a block of property. think they made an example along the north side of Chinden when they were talking about those several isolated areas that are requesting water service. Bird: I understood that they were going to go up to Foxtail on the north side and then up to Spurwing on the north side and then also back east from this across over to that other area that we've requested by. I still stand by Glenn's motion. I'd like to get more clarification on what this is going to affect. Corrie: Any further discussion? Okay, the motion before the council is to table until the first meeting in July, which is July 7th, to obtain more information and work on the franchise fees as well. All those in favor of the motion, say aye? MOTION CARRIED: 3 ayes, 1 nay. ITEM NO. 2: REQUEST TO HOOK UP TO CITY SEWER AND WATER BY LDS CHURCH — LOCUST GROVE AND USTICK: Corrie: Is a member of the LDS church here tonight? Rellerford: This property in question is adjacent to the Summerfield Subdivision on the west side of Locust Grove and the mainline utilities are in the impact area and serviced by the City of Meridian at this time. Corrie: Questions from Council? Meridian City Council June 2, 1998 Page 6 Rountree: Does the applicant understand the double fee cost for this hookup if in fact it's approved? Rellerford: Yes, sir. Rountree: Okay. Corrie: Any other questions? Staff any comments? All right thank you. Council, your pleasure? Rountree: Mr. Mayor, I would move that we approve the request to hook up to city sewer and water by the LDS church at Locust Grove and Ustick with the understanding of normal double hookup fees will be charged for this action. Anderson: Second that. Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree and second by Mr. Anderson of the motion that has been stated. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all in favor of the motion say aye? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All ayes. ITEM NO. 3: DISCUSSION BY ELAINE ESTACIO REGARDING R-4 ZONING ORDINANCE AND IN HOME DAYCARE: Estacio: Mr. Mayor, City Councilmen, ladies and gentlemen, I apologize for all the children here tonight. They are the reason why I'm speaking here tonight. I would like to begin by quoting from the Idaho Statesman's May 6th issue. Two of three children in Idaho need watching while mom and dad are at work. Two of three. Slightly above the national average and enough to make daycare a top priority in the state. Meridian currently is in desperate need of more daycare. And that is why I'm here to ask you to please change the restrictions on the current city ordinance which prohibits in home daycares for 6 to 12 children in R-4 residential zone. The largest part of residential area in Meridian City limits is zoned as R-4. Anyone caring for children in that area is limited to care for five and fewer children and they have to count their own children in that five. Most families don't even consider doing daycare in their own home have chosen this profession because they are parents too. When you have to count your own children that would only allow room to care for two or three children. Daycare providers have a lot of expenses from food to crayons. When they are limited to such a small amount of children to care for, it just makes it impossible to do it for very long, which is why Meridian has such a high amount of in home daycares not even trying to be licensed because the Meridian City ordinances and fees are so restrictive. It is my . MERIDIAN CITY CCVCIL MAY 19, 1998 PAGE 13 ITEM #7: REQUEST TO HOOK UP TO CITY SEWER AND WATER BY LDS CHURCH — LOCUST GROVE AND USTICK: Corrie: Is there. a member from the LDS church here tonight? Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I would move we table this till 612/98. Bird: Second. Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley second by Mr. Bird to table this request till June 2nd meeting, any further discussion? Rountree: Mr. Mayor, if I could either have Gary or Shari make contact with the applicant to make sure they're here next time on item #7. Corrie: Any further discussion? Anderson: Mr. Mayor, I just had a question for Gary of where our water line was in that area. Smith: We're okay to serve -this facility, the water line is to the north-west corner of the Summerfield Subdivision. Anderson: And we have sewer out there to? Smith: Yes, we have sewer at that point also. They are not in the city limits. Anderson: Okay. Corrie: Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: All aye. ITEM #8: REQUEST FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE BY MERIDIAN SENIOR CENTER: Corrie: I will invite Don to come up. Knox: Mr. Mayor and Councilmen and staff, we from the Meridian Senior Center have made an application — want to make an application for assistance from you folks. We have a funny problem that we discovered and in November we made a decision to have to rcduce our employees by two members. Since that'timo we've installed a new computer county system and we're running in the black for the first four months of 1998 and we have reduced our salary expense of MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL JULY 7, 1998 The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 7:32 p.m. on July 7, 1998 by Mayor Robert D. Corrie. MEMBERS PRESENT: Ron Anderson, Keith Bird, Glenn Bentley, Charlie Rountree. OTHERS PRESENT: Bob Corrie, Gary Smith, Wayne Crookston, Will Berg, Shari Stiles, Bill Gordon, Kenny Bowers, Brad McOmber, Ben Forrey, Jan Larrea, Steve Bainbridge, Tom Bevan. Corrie: Council, you have seen the minutes of the meeting of June the 16th. Are there any corrections or alterations to those minutes? Bentley: I have none. Bird: I have none. Rountree: None. Anderson: None. Corrie: I will entertain a motion of their acceptance. Bird: Mr. Mayor, I move that we accept the minutes from the June 16th meeting. Rountree: Second. Corrie: Motion made and second to accept the minutes of June 16th meeting. Any further discussion? All those in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: All ayes. ITEM NO. 1: TABLED JUNE 2,1998: REQUEST TO HOOK UP TO UNITED WATER BY HOLY APOSTLES CATHOLIC CHURCH — SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MERIDIAN ROAD AND CHINDEN BOULEVARD: Corrie: Is there a representative here today? Larrea: Jan Larrea, Holy Apostles representative, and we still want to have permission to hook up to United Water. It seems the most reasonable at the time. You granted permission to Friendship Celebration Church on April 7th for about the same thing that we're doing to hook into United Water. So it's kind of a precedence that's been set. United Water will be able to serve us. We could probably get water to the area by fall. And so we can make our plans at that point. For Meridian it would be best if you let United Water do it and start collecting the franchise fees on it and concentrate in a more Meridian City Council Regular Meeting July 7, 1998 Page 2 populated area on your water service. According to those minutes of April 7th you might not be out there for nine years. Well, that's a long time to hold anybody up. So we still request that you let us get service from United Water for our fire and domestic use, and being it's a church, you know, the City of Meridian will have no tax base. We don't pay property taxes so it's not — you're not gaining anything because we wont' have a tax base and neither will that other church. So, is there any questions for me? Corrie: Thank you very much. Council, questions for staff? Discussion? Rountree: Mr. Mayor, I would just have a question or a statement from Gary maybe if he would review the notes from the planning session and refresh my memory what Councilman Anderson suggested in the way of action on this. Smith: Okay, thank you Councilman. Mayor and Councilmen, I think what we talked about in the planning session was that because Highway 20-26 is a major highway, water service will be extended along both sides of the roadway, and at this point as I understand United Water's attitudes is that they want to extend their service area along the north side of Chinden Boulevard. In fact west of where this church is going to be located. The suggestion by Councilman Anderson at our planning session was to allow the service to the church to originate from the United Water's main line along the north side of Chinden. Such that it is a service line, that it provides the fire protection required as well as the domestic service requirement, that it would most likely be bored under the highway for connection to the United Water mainline and then at the point at the City of Meridian is in the area and as our services our water lines extended to the area, it would be a disconnection from United Water and a connection to City of Meridian. The valving could be arranged such that this wasn't an extreme measure expense wise. I think our water superintendent suggested that the site plan for the church be reviewed such that the waterline was stubbed back out to Meridian Road so that it would be easily connectable to Meridian Road. When we get to that point of extension of waterlines to Chinden, we will not only extend in a north south direction on Meridian Road and all the other north south section line roads, but we'll have to extend east and west and tie those extensions together so they're loops and not dead ends, so in effect we will have a water system by the City of Meridian if that's the way it continues. On the south side of Chinden and on the north side of Chinden will be water service by United Water and as I remember it those were the comments that Councilman Anderson made and I suppose the only thing that we didn't talk about that would need to be resolved would be what we call connection fees, the assessment fees to connect to the system and since we don't assess for fire protection per say as a connection fee, we assess for domestic water use and for sprinkling of landscape areas. I don't know what the domestic use is estimated to be but they will need to pay with United Water, they would have to pay an assessment or a connection fee, I assume. Rountree: Thanks Gary. l Meridian City Council Regular Meeting July 7, 1998 Page 3 Smith: You're welcome. Rountree: Now I remember everything you said. Anderson: I hope I can make that motion a lot shorter. Corrie: Any other further discussions of the Council? Bird: I have none. Bentley: None. Corrie: I'll entertain a motion on this request. Anderson: Mr. Mayor, I would make a motion that we allow the Holy Apostolic Church at the south east corner of Meridian Road and Chinden to be serviced by United Water for the purposes of domestic water and fire protection in a single service only with no extension of water main by United Water into Meridian's impact area. Bird: Second it. Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Anderson and seconded by Mr. Bird to accept the request with a single service hook-up only from United Water. Any further discussion? Bentley: Do we need to include the stubbing for future hook-ups for the City of Meridian into this motion? Corrie: its up to you, you can put it in there, they said they were going to do that — Bentley: I think we should have it included in there. Corrie: If you want to put it in there you can, Anderson: I would amend the motion then to include the hook-up to be stubbed out for future connection by the City of Meridian's water system. Bird: I'll second that amendment. Corrie: Further discussion? Motion is to accept the request to be hooked up to City water by — excuse me, single service only hook-up stub with the property. Any further discussion? Rountree: None. G. t Meridian City Council Regular Meeting July 7, 1998 Page 4 Corrie: All those in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: All aye. ITEM #2: TABLED JUNE 2,1998: ORDINANCE #793 — CHANGE TO TITLE 8, CHAPTER 9, OFFENSIVE MATTER: Corrie: Council, what is your pleasure on this one for? Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I have a question for the Chief. Have you reviewed and do you concur with the changes? Gordon: Yes, I have. Bentley: And you do? Gordon: (Inaudible — away from microphone) Bentley: Thank you. Corrie: Okay, hearing that is there any more questions that the Council has? Rountree: I have none. Corrie: Okay then the Ordinance #793 is an ordinance of the City of Meridian amending section 8-907 title 8, chapter 9, offensive matter for changes hereto of the revised and compiled ordinances of the City of Meridian (inaudible) effective date. Is there anyone from the audience that would like to have Ordinance #793 read in its entirety? Hearing none. Council, I'll entertain a motion on Ordinance #793. Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I move we approve and accept the Ordinance #793 with the suspension of rules. Rountree: Second. Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley, second by Mr. Rountree to accept Ordinance #793 with the suspension of rules. Any further discussion? Roll call vote. ROLL CALL VOTE: Mr. Anderson — yea, Mr. Bentley — yea, Mr. Rountree — yea, Mr. Bird — yea. MOTION CARRIED: All yea. MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: APPLICANT: HOLY APOSTLES CATHOLIC CHURCH ITEM NUMBER: REQUEST: AGENCY CITY CLERK: . CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITYATTORNEY: CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPAMERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: BUREAU OFRECLAMATION: COMMENTS SEE ATTACHED MINUTES FROM 8/2/98 OTHER: All Materials presented et public meetings shall become property mtthe City ofMeridian. Meridian City Council June 2, 1998 Page 2 Corrie: Tammy, congratulations. Your first night will be the 91" of June, and welcome aboard and it will be a lot of work, but I'm sure you can do it. Thank you. ITEM NO. 1: REQUEST TO HOOKUP TO UNITED WATER BY HOLY APOSTLES CATHOLIC CHURCH — SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MERIDIAN ROAD AND CHINDEN BLVD: Corrie: Will the representative of the Holy Apostles Catholic Church like to come up at this time? Larrea: I was in contact with United Water again, and they said that you had a meeting with them last week and thought it was favorable, and we would still like to hook up with United Water. So, what do you guys think? Corrie: Direct and to the point. Larrea: It would be more feasible to hook up to them. They are a lot closer then Meridian City is going to be and it would be more cost effective at this time. Corrie: Council, questions? Rountree: I have none. Corrie: All right. Rountree: I have a question for Gary or an opportunity for Gary if he has any further input into this particular request. Smith: No, I don't, Councilman Rountree. Rountree: Thank you. Bentley: I have a question for Gary. I would like to know what your feelings are or if you've heard of this situation in other places. Once you let an entity like United Water in, how is the City going to readily get that area back or is it going to be lost? Smith: Mayor and Council, Councilman Bentley, I don't know for sure how that could happen as far as retrieving the area to our service area. I would suspect it would be difficult to do. Number one the PUC, Public Utilities Commission, has to amend the boundaries the United Water Company so that they can include that area as their certificated service area, and with the extension of the facilities that they would make Meridian City Council June 2, 1998 Page 3 into that area. I don't know that it would be reversible, but I can't say for certain because I've never dealt with a similar situation. Bentley: Thank you. Anderson: I did have one question of Jan. If my memory serves me correctly, you had stated that there wasn't a real big hurry on this that you were talking about this within about the next year; is that correct? Larrea: (Inaudible, off the mike) -- I've talked to the PUC, and I've talked to United Water both, and there are ways other than — Meridian would not necessarily be giving up the rights to that land. United Water's worked out a contract agreement with the City of Eagle on a portion of theirs, and there's also the chance if Meridian didn't want to bring the thing in there's franchise fees that get charged. So, you know, it's not like Meridian is just out. But it frees us up so we know what our budget and things are going to be, and I don't think it leaves the City of Meridian out if they ever came out that far or not, and you can still get revenue from the franchise fees or the contract, and 1 thought that's what you guys were going to be looking into last week from everything that I've talked — after I talked to Kathy and the PUC. So that's what I know. Anderson: The meeting consisted of kind of exploratory talks about all the possibilities and no decision was actually made on what we were going to do service in that area. Larrea: But we need to know. Rountree: Mr. Mayor, I have a question for counsel. What is it in fact we are approving or denying, the ability of PUC to extend United Water's boundary into the City of Meridian's impact area, not necessarily the hook up? Crookston: Well, as I understand this, we are granting them the right to connect to United Water. We are not necessarily making a decision as to whether or not it's going to going to impact our service area. It could. It may not, but I don't think that we're making a statement as to that. We're making a statement as to whether or not they can connect to United Water. I think that's all we're doing. If that's what the Council's decision is. Bentley: But in that discussion United Water stated that they would have to go before PUC to get their area expanded in to take in this property. So then it becomes their service area and not ours. i Meridian City Council June 2, 1998 Page 4 Crookston: If United Water has to do that with the Public Utility Commission, then there would be an extension probably by the PUC to have that area become United Water's area. Rountree: My understanding is that PUC does not govern an entity, and as such as long as that's in our impact area, whether they are providing service there or not, at such time as we get to that location are more competitive than United Water. It seems to me that it's going to be a customer's choice if their area would be in the impact area of the City of Meridian. I don't see that it precludes us from providing service in that area in the future. Crookston: I don't know how the PUC Commission handles that. Bentley: I don't see a problem with approving their use of United Water on an interim basis. But I'd like to have some research done to be reasonably sure that we aren't in deed giving up our area. Rountree: Is that a motion? Bentley: We can make it that way. Mr. Mayor I would move that we table this until we can get some research done so we can find out the legalities of whose jurisdiction that would fall under for service area and hopefully we can have this done within a month. Bird: I'll second that. Corrie: Okay, time certain then do you want it then the first meeting in July? Bentley: Yes, please. Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley, second by Mr. Bird to table this until the first meeting in July, which would be July 7th. Discussion? Rountree: Mr. Mayor and Council, my preference would be to indicate by motion to the applicant that we're in agreement with their pursuing hook up with United Water, and at the same time, we work out the details with United Water, PUC, also investigate franchise fee options for the City, but I believe we indicated to the folks last time that we would give them a decision tonight. I don't know what the further investigation will tell us other than clarify some issues. Bentley: Is that an amendment? Rountree: No, that's just some discussion. Meridian City Council June 2, 1998 Page 5 Corrie: If I'm not mistaken, that water is on the north side of Chinden Boulevard; is that correct? So they would have to go underneath the highway to do that. Bird: Mr. Mayor, as I understood when we talked to United Water last Tuesday, when they come in to PUC, which they have to come in to PUC, they get a block and even though it's in our impact, it's not an entity. It would have to be within our city limits as I understood it before we would be able to stop it. I think you are going to get when they go to PUC, if from what I understood is right, they are going to get more than just where this church is going. They are going to get a block out there, and we are not going to stop them because it is in our impact area, but it isn't an entity. Gary, is that your understanding too? Smith: Mayor and Council, Councilman Bird, that's what I understood that if they had a small area that was requesting service, they wouldn't just ask the PUC for that small area. They would attach that small area to more landmass and connect it to their existing boundaries and to follow your word, they would go after a block of property. I think they made an example along the north side of Chinden when they were talking about those several isolated areas that are requesting water service. Bird: I understood that they were going to go up to Foxtail on the north side and then up to Spurwing on the north side and then also back east from this across over to that other area that we've requested by. I still stand by Glenn's motion. I'd like to get more clarification on what this is going to affect. Corrie: Any further discussion? Okay, the motion before the council is to table until the first meeting in July, which is July 7th, to obtain more information and work on the franchise fees as well. All those in favor of the motion, say aye? MOTION CARRIED: 3 ayes, 1 nay. ITEM NO. 2: REQUEST TO HOOK UP TO CITY SEWER AND WATER BY LDS CHURCH — LOCUST GROVE AND USTICK: Corrie: Is a member of the LDS church here tonight? Rellerford: This property in question is adjacent to the Summerfield Subdivision on the west side of Locust Grove and the mainline utilities are in the impact area and serviced by the City of Meridian at this time. Corrie: Questions from Council? MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: JUNE 2 1998 APPLICANT: HOLY APOSTLES CATHOLIC CHURCH ITEM NUMBER: 1 REQUEST: HOOK UP TO CITY WATER AGENCY CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY: CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: BUREAU OF RECLAMATION: COMMENTS SEE ATTACHED MINUTES FROM 5/19/98 OTHER: All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. MERIDIAN CITY C 'JNCIL MAY 19, 1998 PAGE 12 Rountree: I won't comment. Corrie: That's what was presented earlier to us on another situation correct? Smith: I did? Corrie: Yes, on a letter that was on my desk. Smith: Yes the memo, right, yes.sir. Bentley: Mr. Mayor, 1 would me more in favor of a motion to table this until we have some time to go over it through the planning session. Rountree: I guess for the applicant in that kind of a motion I'd like to have the date certain so they know that we will make a decision — June 2"d, that soon enough? Corrie: Are we going to discuss it before that time? Rountree: And we can discuss it on the 26th per Gary's request. Bentley: Okay Mr. Mayor in that case I would motion that we table the request by Holy Apostles Catholic Church until June 2"d Rountree: Second. Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley second by Mr. Rountree that we table the request of Holy Apostles Catholic Church until June 2, 1998. Any further discussion? All those in favor of that motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: All aye. Bentley: Mr. Mayor, point of clarification, we're talking a planning session for next Tuesday, that is also election night. Corrie: What time is the election over? Bentley: 8:00. Berg: Excuse me, we don't have a conflict, I've checked with Ada County, this is not a precinct so we can still hold a meeting. Their concern a lot of times is a precinct meeting facility jointly. Rountree: Well let's continue on that thought then. MERIDIAN CITY C,('"JNCIL MAY 19, 1998 PAGE 9 Rountree: I believe it was volunteered to be 150% of the value of the improvements. Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Rountree second by Mr. Bird to the motion to accept the final plat with conditions. Any further discussion? All those in favor of the motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: All aye. Nu ITEM #6: REQUEST TO HOOK UP TO CITY WATER BY HOLY APOSTLES CATHOLIC CHURCH — SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MERIDIAN ROAD AND CHINDEN BLVD: Corrie: Is there a representative from the church here tonight? Larrea: Yes Mr. Mayor, I'm Jan Larrea, I'm representing Building Committee. We want to get permission to hook up to United Water, they're about a mile away from us until a time that Meridian sewer and water becomes available in that area which I understand may be five to six years. United Water has verbally agreed that they could service us with the required fire protection and domestic use,•I mean we have to pay for it but — I understand from Mr. Smith that we had to get permission because we're in Meridian city impact area to do this so its not Meridian city water its United Water. Rountree: Do you folks have a time line on the need for this? Larrea: We'd like to break ground next spring and from discussions with the water and things it looks like Meridian's a little ways away than — that new well that's going to be at the corner of Meridian and Ustick but he couldn't guarantee that we'd have enough water, if we even went the line that direction to maintain our fire protection standards that's necessary. Rountree: The reason I ask is that this idea has created some not necessarily difficulty but not real specific direction in terms of how our impact area relates to Boise's impact area relates to United Water and our water system and if the urgency is this evening as opposed to in the spring we might want to contemplate this a little bit longer if that wouldn't compromise your action. Larrea: We kind of - you know as soon as possible because we need to make options you know if this isn't going to work then we're going to have to go — you know how big of a well are we going to have to drill that's going to pump out 500 gallons a minute for two hours for the snrinklar system you know do we have to try to look into ponds, what are we going to do in that situation so we're in the planning stage but it we be kind of nice to know if we could plan to go this MERIDIAN CITY C('UNCIL MAY 19, 1998 PAGE 10 direction. We understand that when Meridian gets here we'd hook into Meridian I . mean that's not the problem, it's just kind of the when is Meridian going to be able to get there to us. Rountree: (Inaudible) indicated that they would be able to provide you enough water for fire protection as well? Larrea: Yes, we'd have enough for the sprinkler system which is 500 gallons a minute for two hours and they'd be able to put in a fire hydrant for the 1500 gallons for two hours and like I say they're less than a mile away and they haven't given us an estimate on costs yet but you know we'd just have to pay for that line to come into there so I mean this would be a major hurdle if we could go this route right now and it'd help our planning a lot if we can pursue this. Rountree: Thank you. Corrie: Where did the City Engineer go? Rountree: He left. Corrie: I assume that you have some questions? Rountree: I have some questions for him. Gary you'd indicated in memo to us that you wanted to discuss this particular type of issue in a planning session next week, the applicant has indicated that they're looking at. next spring for a start-up but would like for planning purposes to know fairly soon on whether we can approve this or not and it seems a bit cloudy at this point as to the kind of action we can take, have you gotten any more clarification from that in dealing with United Water or PUC? Smith: No, I haven't councilman. The only information that I have is what I generated in a memo to you and to the council and mayor concerning conversation that I had with Kathy Shifflet from United Water and in particular relating to a subdivision that's being proposed out there north of McMillan and on the east side of Locust Grove service to that subdivision but it raised the issue of service in our area of impact and how it could be handled and I guess there are several alternatives that are available but I think its a decision that we need to make or the City Mayor and Council needs to make policy as to how you want to proceed in dealing with these I guess you'd call them area of impact fringe areas that are serviceable by our neighboring city, a utility other than the City of Meridian. We have two different situations here, one is the City of Meridian is a municipality the other situation is United Water is governed by the Public Utility Commission and as such they have what Kathy referred to as a certificated area of service, that is an area that is allowed by the Public Utility Commission for MERIDIAN CITY CPIJNCIL MAY 19, 1998 PAGE 11 them to serve with water and in order for them to serve outside of that area then they need to petition the PUC for an amendment to their certificated area. Rountree: And that area is the City of Boise's impact area or a larger area actually. Smith: I guess right now the area that the church is concerned with, the certificated area of United Water is the north side of Chinden Boulevard, I'm not sure where the line is exactly if its a center line of Chinden or the north side but they are providing service to areas along the north side of Chinden and they are going to be taking ownership and maintenance of the water system at Spur Wing, at a new development called Fox Tail Acres and there are some other areas along there, I think Spy Glass is included in that also; they will be taking ownership and operation of those .areas or purchasing those private systems for ownership and maintenance so their certificated area is going to increase by those areas and they will need to petition PUC for that change in their boundaries. Now if they submit an application for change of boundary and PUC receives a challenge to it then the PUC can request that a public hearing be held to discuss this challenge. Challenges cannot be made in a — according to Kathy — in a frivolous manor, they have to have some basis so I guess what its coming down to is that it may not be as simple as what was previously done with the last church in saying they could connect but at the time Meridian came by with their water they would have to disconnect and connect to Meridian, I think its more complicated than that. Its a matter of they're going to serve it or we're going to serve it and I don't think we both can. Corrie: Would their approval to service there would that preclude us from servicing that side of Chinden and our area of impact later? Smith: Well yes sir I believe that it would because I think that you'd have to challenge the boundaries that have been approved by the PUC and if they already have service facilities in that area and they're providing service I don't think that there's any way that the City could reclaim or claim that as a service area for the City of Meridian. Rountree: Just another question, if United Water were to come within our impact boundaries do they then have to follow our standards for water systems? Smith: Well I think Councilman Rountree that if it's declared, if the area in which they're providing service is declared by the PUC as their service are then I would assume that their standards would govern. Now the other comment that Kathy Shifflet made to me was — and I asked her based on a comment that she made in another area was could the City of Meridian purchase water from United Water for this service area and in turn sell that water back to the people in that area, she indicated that that was a possibility. MERIDIAN CITY QOUNCIL MAY 19, 1998 PAGE 12 Rountree: I won't comment. Corrie: That's what was presented earlier to us on another situation correct? Smith: I did? Corrie: Yes, on a letter that was on my desk. Smith: Yes the memo, right, yes.sir. Bentley: Mr. Mayor, I would me more in favor of a motion to table this until we have some time to go over it through the planning session. Rountree: I guess for the applicant in that kind of a motion I'd like to have the date certain so they know that we will make a decision — June 2"d, that soon enough? Corrie: Are we going to discuss it before that time? Rountree: And we can discuss it on the 26th per Gary's request. Bentley: Okay Mr. Mayor in that case I would motion that we table the request by Holy Apostles Catholic Church until June 2"d Rountree: Second. Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Bentley second by Mr. Rountree that we table the request of Holy Apostles Catholic Church until June 2, 1998. Any further discussion? All those in favor of that motion say aye. MOTION CARRIED: All aye. Bentley: Mr. Mayor, point of clarification, we're talking a planning session for next Tuesday, that is also election night. Corrie: What time is the election over? Bentley: 8:00. Berg: Excuse me, we don't have a conflict, I've checked with Ada County, this is not a precinct so we can still hold a meeting. Their concern a lot of times is a precinct meeting facility jointly. Rountree: Well let's continue on that thought then. MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING: MAY 19, 1998 APPLICANT: LDS CHURCH ITEM NUMBER: 7 REQUEST: HOOKUP TO CITY WATER AND SEWER —LOCUST GROVE AND USTICK AGENCY COMMENTS CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY: CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: BUREAU OF RECLAMATION: OTHER: SEE ATTACHED LETTER All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian.