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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMountain View Equipment CompanyMERIDIAN LOCATION P.O. BOX 690 • MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83680 TELEPHONE (208) 888.1593 • TOLL FREE 1-B00.769.1025 FAX (208) 888.1624 t CALDWELL LOCATION 1203 GARBER • CALDWELL, IDAHO 83605 TELEPHONE: (208) 459-4609 • TOLL FREE: 1-800-769-5661 ntainFAX: (208) 454-9678 PASCO LOCATION P.O. BOX 3968/815 N. OREGON AVENUE • PASCO, WA 99302 TELEPHONE (509) 545-8390 • TOLL FREE 1-800-900.0071 FAX (509) 546-0373 December 10, 1996 City Clerk City of Meridian 33 E. Idaho Avenue Meridian, ID 83642 Dear Sir: OTHELLO LOCATION 1705 S. BROADWAY • OTHELLO, WA 99344 TELEPHONE (509) 488-2595 TOLL FREE 1-800-900-0071 RECEIVED WYOFNEEDIAN Please accept this letter as our formal request to be placed on the agenda for the City Council meeting scheduled for 12/17/96. The purpose of our request is to seek City Council approval for hook-up to city water at 700 W. Overland Road. This request is based on requirements outlined by Mr. Ray Voss relative to his denial of a building permit for expansion of current facilities until there is available water for fire purposes. Under present conditions, code changes will not allow us to expand our business until there is available water. Please confirm this request by fax or phone. Sincerely, o_� Randy Stewart Vice President Mountain View Equipment Meridian, ID FORD NEW HOLLAND 0 VERSATILE 0 AGCO HESSTON WHITE a MACDON CLAAS KIRBY OSWALT MANITOU! ! AMMIAN cmc EUVAL f VCLUNTEM HVE UIDAUTMENT DEM 716 N. MERIDIAN — MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 7 s ° PHONE (208-88&1234) FAX (208-8874813) Ir , Pn14� MEMORANDUM December 16, 1996 TO: MAYOR & CITY COUNCIL / � FROM: RAYMOND VOSS, FIRE MARSHALL EXTRAORDINAIRE �2�n RE: MOUNTAIN VIEW EQUIPMENT COMPANY At this time the Meridian Rural Fire District will not allow Mountain View Equipment do a remodel because there is not water available for fire protection. Under the fire codes they will need at least 1500 gpm for 2 hours and a fire sprinkler system. Without city water they will not be able to do any remodeling. Thank you for your attention in this matter. If I can be of any assistance please call. MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING:- January 7 199 APPLICANT: Mountain View Equipment Company ITEM NUMBER; REQUEST• Request tohook up to City Water at 700 W. Overland Road AGENCY CITY CLERK: CITY ENGINEER: CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR: CITY ATTORNEY: CITY POLICE DEPT: CITY FIRE DEPT: CITY BUILDING DEPT: MERIDIAN SCHOOL DISTRICT: MERIDIAN POST OFFICE: COMMENTS Please refer to letter dated 12-26-96 ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT: ADA COUNTY STREET NAME COMMITTEE: CENTRAL DISTRICT HEALTH: NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION: SETTLERS IRRIGATION: IDAHO POWER: US WEST: INTERMOUNTAIN GAS: BUREAU OF RECLAMATION: [0111 154 All Materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. WILLIAM G. BERG, JR., City Clerk JANICE L. GASS, City Treasurer GARY D. SMITH, P.E., City Engineer BRUCE D. STUART, Water Works Supt. JOHN T. SHAWCROFT, Waste Water Supt. DENNIS J. SUMMERS, Parks Supt. SHARI L. STILES, P & Z Administrator PATTYA. WOLFKIEL, DMV Supervisor KENNETH W. BOWERS, Fire Chief W.L.'BILL" GORDON, Police Chief WAYNE G. CROOKSTON, JR., Attorney December 26, 1996 HUB OF TREASURE VALLEY A Good Place to Live CITY OF MERIDIAN 33 EAST IDAHO MERIDIAN, IDAHO 83642 (208) 888-4433 • FAX (208) 887.4813 Public Works/Building Department (208) 887-2211 Motor Vehicle/Drivers License (208) 888-4443 Mr. Torn Nicholson Mountain View Equipment Co. 700 W. Overland Rd. Meridian, ID 83642 RE: Building Addition Fire Protection Dear Mr. Nicholson: ROBERT D. CORRIE Mayor COUNCIL MEMBERS WALT W. MORROW, President RONALD R. TOLSMA CHARLES M. ROUNTREE GLENN R. BENTLEY P—& Z COMMISSION JIM JOHNSON, Chairman KEITH BORUP JIM SHEARER GREG OSLUND, MALCOLM MACCOY It was my pleasure to meet with you today to discuss your project. The following is a reiteration of some of our discussion. The Meridian City/Rural Fire Marshall has determined that with a fire sprinkler system installed in your building a fire flow of 1500 gallons per minute (gpm) is required in Overland Road at a fire hydrant located adjacent to your frontage. When our new City well (#17) is equipped with a pump and pumphouse our computer generated water system model says we could meet the 1500 gpm requirement. Bids will be opened for this project on January 3, 1997 and 1 expect the well to be in operation within 60 days thereafter. 2. Fire Marshall Voss has told us that the fire flow requirement for your sprinkler system would be approximately 600 gpm, based on floor area. As you questioned, it needs to be determined whether or not this requirement is for all of your buildings or only the proposed addition. 3. Water assessment for a single family residence inside the city limits is the basis for all assessments and is called an "equivalent residential unit" (ERU). Typically, an ERU can utilize 30 gpm and on this basis your 600 gpm requirement is equivalent to 20 ERU's. The water assessment, by city ordinance, for an ERU inside the city limits is $704.00 and outside the city limits it is 2 x $704.00 or $1408.00. (A photocopy of this part of our ordinance was given to you.) to: Mayor & Council cc: File / Tom Nicholson, Randy Stuart. from: Gary D. Smith, PE re: Mountain View Equipment Co. - Water Service date: January 7, 1997 Mayor & Council: On December 26, 1996 I Nvrote a letter to Mr. Tom Nicholson, part owner of Mountain Vieiv Equipment, and outlined Nvhat I perceived to be a Nvater assessment cost for a fire sprinkler service to the building addition they are proposing. Subsequent to the AN iting of that letter I have had trvo meetings with Mr. Nicholson and have met Nvith his partner, Randy Stuart, and the contractor, Bert Brennan to discuss my proposed assessment. I have also talked to some of our sister city's, namely Nampa, CaldAvell, K-una, to find out what their procedure is concerning fire sprinkler service. The results of those conversations are: 1. Nampa: A fire line tap fee of $313.00 is charged and the applicant provides all materials. No monthly standby fee is assessed and no other charges are made for the connection of the fire line. 2. Caldwell: No tap fee is assessed. The city does a live tap at no charge and installs the fire line from the tap to the building. They charge for the fire line installation at the rate of $13.20/lineal foot + fittings. There is no monthly standby fee. from the desk of... 3. Kuna: Thev have no policy for fire sprinkler Gary D. Smith, PE Public Works Director Connections. City of Meridian 33 E. Idaho Wil. Boise: No information available at the time of Meridian, Idaho 83642 this memo. 208-887-2211 Fax: 208-887-1297 or 208-887-4813 Typically we have not included the fire sprinkler system in the calculations for the water assessment of a building that is being proposed for construction. This proposal was different because the applicant is not requesting to connect the building(s) to our system for domestic use. I would support that they not be required_ to connect for domestic use because of the amount of water they use. In retrospect, an assessment for strictly fire sprinkler protection is probably not warranted. They have agreed to extend the mater main in Overland Road to the west boundary of their property and install at least one fire hydrant along their Overland Road frontage. I stand for any questions you may have of me. Regards, Gary. kv MERIDIAN CITY COUNCIL JANUARY 7 1997 The regular meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order by Mayor Robert D. Corrie at 7:30 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT: Walt Morrow, Glen Bentley, Charlie Rountree, Ron Tolsma: OTHERS PRESENT: Will Berg, Wayne Crookston, Shari Stiles, Gary Smith, Jim Shearer, Chief Gordon, Boy Scout Troop #172, Bert Brennen, Steve Sweet, Tom Ensley, Terry Leighton, Kent Kampus, Steve Bradbury: Corrie: Council, with your permission before we do the minutes approval for the previous meeting I would like to make a presentation to Jim Shearer. If I might, Jim would you come up here please. Jim has served the City of Meridian quite (inaudible) member of our Planning and Zoning Commission, he was well paid for that job he did get a turkey once a year for that. He has done an excellent job for us and on behalf of the City of Meridian and the City Council I would like to (inaudible) for all you have done. It says to Jim Shearer, Planning and Zoning Commissioner presented in appreciation for the contribution (inaudible) January 1984 to January of 1997. Your volunteer time and efforts as a public servant (inaudible) presented by the Mayor and City Council January 7,'1997. Jim once again thank you for all you have done for us. We appreciate everything you have done for us as a City. Also Troop #172 Boy Scouts, welcome to the City Council meeting tonight. We are glad to have you and hope that we give you some political science review here and City government. MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING HELD DECEMBER 17,1996: Corrie: Council, you had a chance to review the minutes of the previous meeting held December 17, 1996. Are there any corrections or alteration you would like to make? Hearing none I will entertain a motion that the minutes be approved as written. Morrow: So moved Rountree: Second Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree to approve the minutes of December 17,1996, any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #1: TABLED DECEMBER 17, 1996: MOUNTAIN VIEW EQUIPMENT COMPANCY: REQUEST HOOK UP TO CITY WATER AT 700'W. OVERLAND ROAD: Corrie: Mr. Smith? Meridian City Council January 7, 1997 Page 2 Smith: Mr: Mayor and Council members, I have a letter a memo that I typed out late this afternoon that I would like to distribute to each one of you. After our last Council meeting I did some review of the request by Mountain View Equipment and consequently I wrote a letter or actually I met with one of the owners Tom Nicholsen and discussed the situation. After that discussion I sent a letter to Mr. Nicholsen outlining the items that we discussed and the costs as I envisioned them. I gave a copy of that to Will and do you have a copy of that tonight, that was the December 26th letter. There were some rather big numbers in there as far as water assessment is concerned dollar wise. Subsequent to the writing of that letter I met again with Mr. Nicholsen and also with his partner Randy Stewart and the building contractor Bert Brennen in fact this morning. We discussed the costs, assessment costs that I had determined earlier. did some additional research especially with our sister cities, Boise, I was not able to get information from United Water. The people that I needed to talk to were out of the office and didn't return by the end of the day. But I did talk to Nampa, Caldwell and Kuna. Also, the building permits that we have been issuing for commercial buildings have not included an assessment for fire sprinkler service. They have been assessed for domestic water use facilities only. So the contents of this interoffice memo that you now have in your possession basically conclude that and I will just read the last paragraph. "In retrospect and that is to my December 26 letter, an assessment for strictly fire sprinkler protection is probably not warranted. They have agreed to extend the water main in Overland Road to the west boundary of their property and install at least one fire hydrant along the Overland Road frontage. Along with that, they are currently, utilizing an on site well for their domestic water use. I don't know what the amount of water is that they use but Mr. Nicholsen and Mr. Stewart tell me that it is considerable because they do a lot of steam cleaning operations. My own feeling as far as their connection to that to our system for their domestic water is that I would rather not see that happen at this time anyway. We have enough places for our water to go and I would rather keep that use off of our water system. They also recently installed a new on site disposal system for their sewer. Central District Health has approved that so I see no reason requirement for their connection to the sewer system. It is actually the end of the line so to speak for the Ten Mile Trunk, it wouldn't go any farther to the west. Everything west of them will drain into the, I think it is called the Purdom Gulch drain. Can I answer any questions? Tolsma: What, we went (inaudible) same problem we had when we were on 2 '/ street here a few years back? Smith: I don't recall (inaudible). Tolsma: Smelly water and things like that of a dead end line or would that a blow off system? Smith: There would have to be a blow off installed at the end of the line. It is, on 2 '/2 street we had a problem there with there was some kind of an algae in the fire sprinkler Meridian City Council January 7, 1997 Page 3 pipe that created this onion odor. They didn't have an adequate back flow prevention device on that system and that was one of the problems. The water was able to leak back through the check valve that they had and into our system. That requirement for back flow devices is much more stringent than it was at that time. Tolsma: (Inaudible) Smith: No sir, I recall that very clearly. Tolsma: That is the only question I had. Corrie: Mr. Rountree? Rountree: Do you have a ball park figure of what the cost would be to the city for this installation in terms of inspection and that sort of thing? Smith: No I don't, as far as the main line is concerned in Overland Road, the line from Overland into the building? Rountree: No, just the cost if they were allowed to connect to City water for the fire sprinkler, what inspections would be required and what is the cost to the City? Smith: Well the City's involvement would be in the street in Overland Road. They are in the County, I assume that the State will inspect on site plumbing for them. Rountree: So we would just look at the connection? Smith: We would just be looking at the main line installation in the street. I don't recall what their frontage is but it is something like 350 feet maybe is that correct. So 350 feet of line would probably be maybe a couple of days at the most of contractor time to install the water main. In terms of cost to the City labor costs, I don't know we are probably $300 to $500 ball park guess. Rountree: Thank you Morrow. Mr. Mayor, final question, the fire sprinkler system there was some question at one point in time or at least at our last meeting whether it was going to be (inaudible) in the new addition or retrofit for the existing building. The resolution of that was or is? Smith: I didn't discuss it particularly, I think it is just the new building isn't it? Brennen: 1 am Bert Brennen the contractor, the portion that is required to be sprinkled is the H-4 occupancy only which is the hazardous portion which is the existing service Meridian City Council January 7, 1997 Page 4 bay. None of the new is actually required nor is any of the office area required to be sprinkled. Morrow: So the sprinkler requirement is for existing Brennen: For the existing H4 repair garage. Morrow: Where the shop is? Brennen: Correct. Morrow: Thank you Corrie: Counselor? Crookston: Mr. Smith, there is a minimum fee for fire protection service even though they don't use any water isn't there? Smith: Yes there is, it is a monthly flat rate fee depending on the diameter of the fire line? Crookston: And they are aware of that? Smith: Yes Morrow: One more question Mr. Mayor, is the diameter of the fire line that is going to be installed the service line going to be installed is that being sized in such a manner that future expansion or should the building need to be sprinkled in the future that line will handle that sprinkling for that site? Smith: Yes, Mr. Brennen says yes. Are there any other questions that you might have of me? Thank you Corrie: Any further comments or questions from Council? Morrow. Mr. Mayor, I would move that we allow Mr. Nicholsen and Mr. Stewart doing business as Mountain View Equipment Company to install a fire sprinkler line to their building under the condition that they do extend the 12 inch water main to their westerly property line and they reimburse the City the cost of the inspections for that installation. Rountree: Second Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree to allow the installation of a fire service line to the building and extending the 12 inch main on the westerly Meridian City Council January 7, 1997 Page 5 boundary of the property, any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #2: TABLED DECEMBER 17, 1996: REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING FOR HIGHLANDS RANCH SUBDIVISION BY GEM PARK II PARTNERSHIP: Corrie: Council, I think this is more of a house keeping thing here. Morrow: Mr. Mayor, if I might at our last meeting according to my notes and a copy of the minutes the item was to bring this onto the agenda so that we could grant the withdrawal as requested by Gem Park II for Highlands ranch by Gem Park II. That is what we are attempting to do tonight with this item being on the agenda. I would then move that we withdraw the Highlands Ranch Subdivision by Gem Park II from the City agenda. Tolsma: Second Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Tolsma to withdraw the request for annexation and zoning from further agendas, any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #3: AMENDED FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR NEW/USED RV SALES/SERVICE FACILITY BY ZAMZOWS: Corrie: All of the members of Council have the amended findings. Morrow: I do Mr. Mayor, I have read the amended findings and I am in agreement with the amended findings to the extent, in terms of it asks that the whole parking lot be paved, as I remember our discussion at our last Council meeting we had talked about requiring the approaches and driveways only being paved. The reason for that was is there is an upcoming road construction improvement project to Franklin, East First and Meridian Roads that would impact this parcel of property. So it was my understanding that at least from my perspective we were not going to require pavement and or landscaping along Meridian, only to be torn out and redone a year or 18 months from now. My thought was that, I think it was Mr. Rountree in that conversation mention that it made sense to do the approaches and driveways only and then do a dust abatement or dust control on the remaining portion of the lot. These findings do not reflect that, won't be supportive of these findings for that reason. It seems to me that it makes sense to discuss those things in the findings perhaps grant it to pave the approaches Meridian City Council December 17, 1996 Page 30 can get the easement. But if that capacity problem was a large one and if the City Engineer thought that perhaps it was a mistake to approve originally any of these lots going in here we do the lift station. We are talking about 40 or 50 lots that have been approved to go this way. If we put in the lift station they would eventually all go that way, but I don't know what eventually is. So we really are looking for some guidance and I don't have a sense that we have got any yet. Morrow: I guess to step forward here I can't give you any guidance right now because very candidly I kind of need to think about it. There are several options here. I think that I would like to think those through from my perspective, talk some more with Mr. Smith. Quite candidly I don't know (inaudible). Rountree: Mr. Mayor, I agree with Wait in terms of an answer, my preference, having seen what has been presented would be that the developer pursue the easement approach and extend the Ten Mile and if the City has to get in an easement arrangement that we explore that possibility. But 1, like Walt, would like to have additional time to think about that and the other options presented and some guidance from staff. Corrie: I guess Brian would it be apropos for your client to maybe give us 30 days to discuss this and then perhaps come back and give you a little better idea of what they are thinking on what we can do and what we can't do as well as your client seeing about the possibility of the Ten Mile extension? McColl: Certainly, I think this is a complex problem and there are some trade offs involved. This is the final phase, we are ready to go and we would like to get final plat approval for the final phase but we haven't sold a lot in phase 2. It is just going on record now. So there is some time here and we will hold off submitting any revised plat until, would it be appropriate to put it back on the agenda or meet informally with staff after you have conferred with staff? Morrow: I think my preference would be to have it an agenda item for the meeting of the 21 st. Corrie: We can put it on the 21 st again for discussion. Is that agreeable to the Council. We will keep you notified Brian on that one it will be the 21 st of January, 1997. ITEM #12: MOUNTAIN VIEW EQUIPMENT COMPANY: REQUEST HOOK UP TO CITY WATER AT 700 W. OVERLAND ROAD: Corrie: Is there anyone here from the Mountain View Equipment Company? Meridian City Council December 17, 1996 Page 31 Wilhelm: Paul Wilhelm, I am with Bench Mark Construction contractor for Mountain View Equipment, I don't actually work for Mountain View. This all comes about because of an addition that they need to add onto their service facility. The Fire Marshall Mr. Voss has more or less or has come right out and said they are not going to add anything to anything unless they have it fire protected. There is no way to fire protect it because there is no City water there. If the water was there at the current rate it would be inadequate to run it off of hydrants. And then I guess we then found out there is a proposal in place to run water from down by Meridian Road up to basically the east property line of Mountain View Equipment. I don't know the exact timing of that. I think it is in for approval now, I don't know if it has been approved. I don't know if it is going to be built in the next month or three months or whenever it is. But the problem hits there I guess technically at the east line of Mountain View Equipment is the line between the City of Meridian and the County of Ada. So technically in order to add on that line so that we can extend fire line across the front of Mountain Views property and then therefore tie on a fire line and go back and sprinkle the facility we need the approval of the City Council to tie -onto their water line because it is not technically Ada County's line. Corrie: Question, you say you are right on the City limit line. Wilhelm: I am not an expert on that, that is what I am told. Corrie: (Inaudible) Has Mountain View thought about annexing into the City? You are not the one to ask that question. I guess if they would annex into the city then of course they would have that. Wilhelm: All of this came up we are just trying to adequately fire protect because the City of Meridian fire department is responsible we are just trying to comply with them and get water there. It seemed like the right answer and get somebody's blessing to do that. Morrow: I think Paul from at least from my standpoint, the issue in the past has been Mountain View's reluctance to annex into the City. I know that there are properties to the west that are awaiting that event to happen. Very candidly the construction schedule for the WH Moore project I don't know that we are aware of when that comes about. I don't know that it is timely to solve your construction problem but I think that in this issue it is probably more appropriate maybe for the owners of Mountain View Equipment to answer the questions about annexation or non -annexation. There are issues of if it is non -annexed and extend a double fees being involved and so on and so forth. It seems to me like those issues ought to be covered in terms of trying to solve the problem. I would think that it would be appropriate for those owners or their representatives to research that with staff and then discuss that with the Council. Because it may be less expensive for them to annex and have full services both water and sewer than try to do what they are looking at Meridian City Council December 17, 1996 Page 32 now. Wilhelm: I don't know any of those answers, if they have talked to anybody here or not. don't have any knowledge. Corrie: Becky Bowcut, Brian is Becky out there. Becky could I ask you the question, you are the engineering people for Mountain View is correct? WH Moore excuse me, that sewer line is being extended west, water line excuse me. What time frame do you know? (Inaudible) Corrie: Well I think Mr. Morrow has a very good point there, maybe they need to explore this a little bit. I realize Paul you are not in the position Wilhelm: (Inaudible) I don't know and maybe they haven't decided to do it for good reasons. I don't have any idea. Corrie: Maybe we need to get back with them and have them contact members of the staff, the engineering department and Planning and Zoning Director and see if we can't have a chat. Maybe work something out on that basis. Council, any other comments (inaudible) Rountree: I think we need to pursue the annexation, it is an opportunity to tie onto other desires and activities to the west. Smith: Mr. Mayor and Council one of the questions that was asked us is what kind of flow is available if this water line was extended to Mountain View Equipment for fire protection purposes. Today, December 17, we ran a model or a fire flow through our computer model. That is all we have out there. Utilitizing what we call a firm capacity which means that one booster pump at well no. 14 of the two that exist would be operating, not both of them but just one. We could supply a thousand gallons a minute. Well No. 17 has been drilled and the pump and pump house is out for bid right now to be constructed. When Well No. 17 is activated and one booster pump is operating we could supply 1500 gallons per minute by the computer model at that point. In June of 1995 when the Sandman was built we had a flow test on a fire hydrant at the Sandman of 1500 gallons per minute with a residual pressure of 20 psi. That was with one booster pump because that is all we had at the time in well no. 14 pump house. So, after well no. 17 is completed by computer model with one booster pump running we could supply 1500 gallons per minute at this time. Mountain View Equipment as I understand it only asking for fire flow protection. 1500 gallons per minute by Fire Marshall's requirement would require a sprinkler system within the structure. Without the sprinkler system we could not supply the necessary fire flow. I have not since the time I have been here made any assessment to a building based Meridian City Council December 17, 1996 Page 33 solely on fire sprinkler requirement, fire sprinkler flow. I don't know what our ordinance says at this point on fire sprinklers, if it says anything. The requirement of course, the requirement of our water supply system would be, if a fire occurred how much water would be required. That would be the demand on our system and that would be the basis for the assessment it would be similar to any other assessment that we make. But I don't know what that number is. So I can't give you any guidance particularly the applicant or the representative as to whether or not or what the assessment might be if they are in the county versus the assessment that would be made if they are in the City if they pursue annexation. The other thing that would be necessary by the applicant by Mountain View Equipment would be the extension of the water line across the frontage of their property on Overland Road from their east boundary to their west boundary and that is typical for any development that is taking place. It would be a 12 inch diameter water line. Wilhelm: Mountain Views current, what we have proposed to them currently to try and get the Fire Marshall satisfied was to extend like you say from the east to the west, include 2 fire hydrants up near Overland and near their entrances and then tap off of that 12 inch line bring a fire line back and fire protect the building. Both the old and the new. Corrie: Gary, when is well no. 17 supposed to be up? Smith: I think we open bids Mr. Mayor on January 3 and typically it takes 3 weeks to get the bid contract awarded and all of the paperwork taken care of. I don't recall what the time limit is on that pump house but I wouldn't think it would be any sooner than 90 to 120 days before it would be finished. So that would be 3 to 4 months, February, March April, first of May. I don't know what Mountain View's schedule. Wilhelm: Originally it was quicker than that but it is rapidly deteriorating to about exactly that. We were supposed to have started a while ago. Corrie: Council (inaudible). I guess Council we need some input from you on what you want to do, do you want to pursue this other? Morrow: I think very- candidly the owners of Mountain View Equipment ought to be addressing some of those issues and concerns that we have raised tonight. Either address them with the staff and then have the staff report to us what those issues might be and what direction they want to go. I think part of it based on what Gary is telling us is that they need to be aware the potential financial concerns so that they can make their decision, we don't have that information at this time based on the tests we have run today. I think from my perspective I would like to see them have that information and then them make a decision as to what direction they want to go. If we make a decision whether we want to extend that service and what cost to them. Meridian City Council December 17, 1996 Page 34 Corrie: Any other comment from the Council, agreement or disagreement? Rountree: I agree that we need to correspond back to them on their request and cover those items that have been mentioned here tonight. Have them respond and work with staff and get a staff report to us. Corrie: How do you want that correspondence, have Paul deliver it or do you want a letter from our engineering department? Morrow: I think that the appropriate way is that Paul is with the construction and really the issue is between the City and Mountain View Equipment owners that in fact we ought to be corresponding directly with them. He is an able representative of what it is he is trying to get accomplished. He can't accomplish those things without the owners being signatory to everything. So maybe it makes a lot of sense to just deal direct and not have the pressure on either he or Benchmark Construction company when clearly they don't have the ability to sign for documents that need to be done. So I would recommend that our staff communicate directly with the owners of Mountain View equipment with what the issues are that we discussed and get the feedback from them. Smith: Mr. Mayor, I may have missed part of your comments Councilman Morrow, if it is financially attractive to the applicant to do this does that mean that this comes back to the Council then for decision whether or not to allow them to connect to fire sprinkler line to our system because they are in the County? Morrow: Well I think so Gary, we have to make a decision that is in the best interest of our system in our City. If they wish to have the benefits of what we have as a City but not be part of the City. Then I think in the public forum we as a Council need to make that decision and take responsibility for the decision whatever it might be. I think that is appropriate. Smith: So at this point we are just on a fact finding mission to determine what the costs are for the applicant so they can determine how they want to proceed whether they want to consider an annexation to the City of Meridian or not. Morrow: I think so, I think we provide them with all of the cost, we also provide them with the information that although they have been well represented here tonight the issue really is between them and the City of Meridian and they need to represent themselves. Tolsma: You say it is approximately four months before we can deliver the fire flow to that building with the speed that WH Moore runs the fire line and we get our pump and booster pumps up and operational. Meridian City Council December 17, 1996 Page 35 Smith: Well Councilman Tolsma, assuming that we have two booster pumps operating in well no. 14 pump house, we may be able to provide 1500 gallons per minute prior to number 17 coming on line. But, there are a couple of big maybes in there that we don't have excessive water use in that area, that we don't have a failure of one of the booster pumps and that Mountain View has a fire. I mean you can throw these what ifs at these situations, what we try to do is take one of our pumps out of service and say this is a situation that could happen, what can we provide if it does? Tolsma: (Inaudible) guaranteed system (inaudible) Smith: Yes, I would be very, I think we can comfortably provide the fire flow within in that time period. With a margin of safety, I guess being on the conservative side of saying we did have problems with one booster pump, it is not working. Tolsma: But we have a little bit of leeway Smith: We have a little cushion to work with but yes we could, if, well when WH Moore makes their extension of their water line and builds a fire hydrant out there then we can run right out there and flow test a fire hydrant and see what it is. That is the best evidence of course is to have that physical test made. And we could test if with one pump on and two pumps on and different times of the day and see what happens. Corrie: Well fire code is going to require you to have 1500 gallons per minute anyway you slice it. Gary if you will contact Mountain View company and give them the information that we had here tonight and let them make some decisions and then bring it back to us I suppose which way they want to do. Smith: We will do that Mr. Mayor, we will have to make some, based on the information we can get form Mountain View or from their contractor on numbers of sprinkler heads and we may have to make assumptions as to how many sprinkler heads can be or would be on and maybe we will have to work with the Fire Marshall to make some determinations the actual impact to our system so we can determine and assessment an approximate assessment. I think that is the information that Mountain View will need to have to make their decision. Tolsma: (Inaudible) water supply (inaudible) in that presentation also. Smith: Yes Wilhelm: Can I ask what kind of time frame it takes to make that kind of correspondence? Meridian City Council December 17, 1996 Page 36 Corrie: I suppose as soon as we get together with Smith: If we have some information on your building what the addition looks like, I don't know what the Fire Marshall is requiring, is requiring sprinkling of the existing structure also? Wilhelm: Well by code it would almost have to be done. Well not part of it, part of it is. The service shop almost has to be sprinkled, the existing service bay that is sitting there right now. Smith: I don't know whatever the addition is that they are making and whatever the Fire Marshall is going to require to be sprinkled we will just have to try and work out what a demand would be in terms of volume. Wilhelm: We can probably have that information to you as soon as tomorrow morning. Smith: We will try to get right on it. Corrie: Council, do you want to table this until they have got the agreements between the City and, Mountain View or do you want to just (inaudible) Morrow: Well I think that the appropriate thing is that we table it to reserve agenda space until January 7 and that way it keeps it an on going issue and allows staff to work out the information and Mountain View to make the presentation. Corrie: Is that a motion? Morrow: It is. Rountree: Second Corrie: Motion made by Mr. Morrow, second by Mr. Rountree to table this until January 7, 1997, any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Opposed? MOTION CARRIED: All Yea ITEM #13: LAND LEASE AGREEMENT WITH L.J. RANCHES: Corrie: Council do you have that, what is that? Morrow: That would be Gary, that is an issue for land application. 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