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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2007-11-11City of Meridian Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Meridian City Hall — Mayors Conference Room November 1, 2007 @ 5:30 P.M. 1. Roll -call Attendance: X Walter Lindgren — Chair X Frank Thomason X Tom Hammond — Vice Chair O Carol Harms X Steve Turney Members Present: Walter Lindgren, Tom Hammond, Frank Thomason, Steve Turney. Members Absent: Carol Harms. Others Present: Will Berg, Dan Torfin, Dennis Baker, Lila Hill, Carol Jetton, Madeline Buckendorf, Jessica Shine. Lindgren: We'll go ahead and call to order the November 1, 2007 monthly meeting for the Meridian Historic Preservation Commission. Roll -call attendance. 2. Adoption of Agenda: Lindgren: Regarding the agenda, has anybody had a chance to review the agenda? Does anybody have (inaudible)? We did have some information that was passed on to us on Item Seven and we'll go ahead and recap that under Item Seven just to give you the highlights of our discussion with MDC. Any motion to approve the agenda? Hammond: I make a motion to approve the agenda (inaudible). Thomason: Second. Lindgren: Any discussion? Call to order. All those in favor say aye. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. 3. Introduction of Guests: Lindgren: Mr. Dennis Whitman sent me these pictures and Dennis Baker has been nice enough to come join us and talk a little bit about their (inaudible) Pinebridge building project. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 2 of 39 Baker: Good evening. Thanks, Walt. Will, thank you for scheduling us. (Inaudible). Torfin: Dennis Baker is the developer of (Inaudible) Investments (inaudible) has owned some of the property, since back in early 1990. About the time we were doing Danbury Fair so some in this room (inaudible). It's a fairly large project, approximately 170 acres of (inaudible) and a couple of other adjacent parcels. One of the key items that we're going to be working on first is the extension of Pine Street or Pine Avenue from Eagle Road to, actually to (inaudible). (Inaudible). This project, we're also building a specific (inaudible) structure out there. That's our new office building. Very nice, high-quality office. We're going to be living out there. This is going to be our new office and (inaudible). This property does have many buildings, homes, and things that we'll be removing from the site. I think the ones that are of interest tonight are the (Inaudible) House at Nola and Pine Street and the Dairy Barn. There are some structures that have been out there for a while. I did some talking to the State Historical Society in Clausen, just to see if they had anything on record. They didn't have any record of it. So, I guess that's just kind of a brief presentation of what we have going on here. Lindgren: I appreciate you being here tonight. One of the reasons we'd like to have you tonight is typically when we get applications in the city, (inaudible), typically it's routed through Preservation just for our comments. We can comment, that sort of thing. In this case apparently for whatever reason (inaudible) we found out about it. Although we knew this project was coming for sure we just technically weren't passed this information until a couple days prior to the hearing. Through conversation over the phone I had a chance to speak with Sonya (inaudible) site and we know this is happening. It's just a matter of being able to catch up and if we need to (inaudible). Since then I went ahead and GoogleEarthed this site. You can see the connection of the existing Pine, Pine Street to the west, and Pine Street to the east, and you can see why there's a question, at least (inaudible) discuss that. It's the section in here. Going out there and taking photos of those structures - - and you can see, these photos will indicate any structure (inaudible). Those are the ones that are primarily in the right-of-way and, Lila, I know you've got a (inaudible) background (inaudible). Hill: I did call (inaudible). Thomason: Smith and Ball. Hill: Well, Smith is the granddaughter of Ball. Thomason: They're related. Harold Ball was the (inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 3 of 39 Hill: (Inaudible) same generation (inaudible). Some of the buildings actually date back to 1902 but they're not in (inaudible). Buckendorf: The houses have been altered quite a bit and changed. The ones from my perspective only are the (inaudible). Lindgren: Right, and if you take a look at that area you'll notice the property, you can see the silo (inaudible). These photos indicate the structure (inaudible). I think as far as what we'd like to do, at least (inaudible) to be able to survey these properties (inaudible). Get the property documentation. At least have a record of what was out there. Then at some point if for whatever reason we find it even appropriate or if there's funding available from our side (inaudible) group or whatever. We just want to be able to assess (inaudible). Buckendorf: (Inaudible). Lindgren: So really if I'm looking at your site (inaudible) plan it would (inaudible). Thomason: (Inaudible) just that site. Lindgren: I would guess it's a two-way (inaudible). Turney: Are there some corrals out there Danny could go through? Lindgren: Between two and three. Torfin: Probably two -and -a -half. (Inaudible) And there were log truckers converted through the garage (inaudible). Lindgren: But it sounds like that development is out with presumably the (inaudible) construction of the right-of-way road. Road construction. Torfin: Yes, that's correct. We've got some of the homes in the right-of-way and most likely (inaudible). Lindgren: From the aerial it looks like it's not even close. Well, maybe the home's deeper. Torfin: (Inaudible) the trees, looks like there's the farm. Lindgren: Yes, if the home is in the right-of-way, it's within a very few feet of being (inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 4 of 39 Hill: But the home is more (inaudible). Thomason: What's your timetable? Just in general, what are you looking at in terms of time frame? Baker: For Pine Street, we're looking at commencing construction in the spring. The purchase has been completed from us by Ada County Highway District and then we're working out the, finishing up the agreement to extend Pine all the way through Bull Whip. That would mean the half road up there, a half mile from the east to the midsection and basically would (inaudible). Tom Wright, the late Tom Wright, and/or Blue Cross or a combination thereof. But, it was completed back ten years ago or thereabouts and I think the southern portion of the right-of-way (inaudible) completed all through five lanes. Landscape it all as we go and then go all the way through five lanes. So we want to have it completed by summer, midsummer. Paved out, completed, utilities extended of course first and we have a hotel coming in that's been purchased (inaudible). They purchased three -and -a -half acres for Staybridge Extended Stay Hotel and we of course will review all architecture. That's why our offices are being moved from the JUB Building or JUB's headquarters and I'm selling that building to JUB and moving our headquarters out here in that first building. We could be 15, could be 20, or could be more. I'm 71 so I'm going to see it all the way through. So if it's 30 years, I'll be 100. So we're working on that. The Staybridge Hotel could be a four-story hotel as proposed. Council will have to look at it, planning and zoning. And we'll review all architecture ourselves. We're stricter than you. We will prevail. Thomason: That's on Eagle and Pine. Baker: That'd be in this section. Thomason: Oh, wonderful. That would really be (inaudible) interior. Baker: Office here, midsection (inaudible). Buckendorf: I would turn it so north is north, yes. Baker: Oh, they've already purchased that so they own the ground here. Thomason: Is this property over here just individual property? Or is there one in particular? Baker: Blue Cross has purchased it but I quizzed them and they have purchased this from (inaudible) and (inaudible) of course purchased all of the Gemtone from Tom Wright and his company. And so (inaudible) offices are now down here just Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 5 of 39 past (inaudible). So Mike Ford is located right here for (Inaudible) Enterprises. So all of their enterprise work is done out here. Their corporate is here, our corporate will be here. And we want to make this the statement that we want it to be so this building has been architected even though we start with metal buildings, we start with (inaudible) buildings and we're trying to build up the image that we want to present to Meridian as we go forward. And so with my landscaper growing 100,000 trees that we do or 80,000, whichever it is right now in four or five locations, we can make anything. I mean any architect would know or tell you that any mistakes an architect may make, but never admit to, they can make them go away with landscape. Thomason: That's going to upgrade that whole area. Baker: Any way we like, of course landscape's our middle name, and we want to prove we're already working on the stamped concrete or the treated concrete and pavers and what type of tumbled edges we're going to use and what water features we're going to use on the corner. And the sign will be incorporated and so forth. And that's where I get all my passion these days is in landscape, landscape, and landscape. We're just wanting to set that first building up in condition and then work with Mr. Quinn on his hotel and complete this road to open up that traffic to get a reliever off of Eagle over to the (inaudible) Meridian or step into the plate in getting that bridge over the river (inaudible), over the interstate, and connecting that up. So it would really help a bit if you've seen Hickory evenings, people cutting through and hitting Hickory and moving on up to Fairview. You can imagine the amount of traffic that's going through there and we're counting a tremendous amount of traffic. We'll open a lot of that up when that road gets complete through here. This is the last link between downtown Meridian and downtown on an east -west alignment with downtown Boise. Lindgren: (Inaudible) too over here. I think that connection to downtown, that roadway, will be something very significant. Buckendorf: (Inaudible) even for those of us coming from the east of here to come back in. Jetton: One question. Are any federal funds going to be used to build these roads? Are there going to be any federal funds at all? Baker: No. We're just working with ACHD (inaudible) public private project. Lindgren: Any other questions or comments at this time? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 6 of 39 Baker: (Inaudible) same silos as we did at Island Woods and the clock tower that's there (inaudible). Frank and I attended an awful lot of meetings (inaudible) in the good old days when I wasn't leaving it all up to Dan. Not any more. I usually leave it up to Dan but I figured he'd need a lot of help with this by the end (inaudible). But if there's some salvage -ability to that silo or something, I don't want to be known for just restoring silos. We like to be creative but it isn't just to redo silos and make them into something that is attractive although I wouldn't rule it out. But we do want to preserve what we can and if there's some salvage -ability to that log structure in some location or some park in the uses of materials that we've got there, it would make sense to this committee and to us.l would offer that as something that might have some intrinsic value to all of us. Lindgren: (Inaudible) structures. That's a possibility. (Inaudible). That's great. appreciate the comment. Does anybody else have anything they want to add? Buckendorf: They'll probably notice the history for the site far better than anyone else but even though the barn has cinder blocks on the construction of it, I guess I'm very concerned that the farming and dairy heritage of Meridian and the entire area is disappearing rapidly. If that barn is in good condition, even keeping it for a tool shed and having a little brochure about farming in the Meridian area and dairy would be something that might be attractive to people moving into the area. It's just a little bit of the heritage if it's salvageable and it looks pretty solid. I keep looking to the times 100 years from now. Maybe they won't know a dairy barn (inaudible). So without knowing the history, without surveying the building, without doing any of that, it's just something to consider that makes maybe your subdivision a little unique. A log building here, pretty rare. So that was almost 1930's for the garage, the type of construction there. But again, you know, there are so few log buildings left in this area, it's amazing to find anything. So that's just a consideration off the top of my head. Lindgren: I would be willing if we took some time, and quickly, is to go ahead and survey this? We could also, if there's any just in terms of structural (inaudible). Maybe just present those findings to you without any sort of expectation. Just to find out. Does that sound fair enough? Baker: (Inaudible) fall down on your (inaudible). Lindgren: If it's okay, do we need to contact you folks prior to going out? Baker: If you do any contacting, I'm available. I'll leave a card (inaudible) usually the one that's onsite. A person who should be making those decisions usually first consult with me for some reason and I don't know if it's because I'm always looking over his shoulder. (Inaudible) type person but you know if we go to urban, if we go Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 7 of 39 to the urban deal and get to some height that we would propose, possibly even challenging your height limitations Comp Plan -wise at some point. And if we were to do that and we would get the urban look and create a real urban feel in this location of midsection or in the nearby vicinity, stepping back from Locust Grove and Eagle and Fairview, and getting some height in the area. I would hope that we could greenfield some portion of it and bluefielding ie blue ways with waterways (inaudible) of course being part of it there. But create a sustainable, and I certainly have something in mind. I showed the Mayor after the hearing on Tuesday last week a little bit about what we had in mind and the possible look of it. But in greening the open space and still having that urban feel and greening a site of the chosen mass and some height that we don't have now. It would be my desire to create the matching portions of that height with some open space and park -like feel to go with the urbanization that we present. So in some case in there, you know, I can see the log cabin or pools and people to come by and look at it if there's some value to it. And as a part of the open space that we create - -. Hill: (Inaudible). Where does Five Mile come through to this piece of property? Baker: The Five Mile Creek? Hill: Yes. Baker: That's further down Pine. Hill: Because if you follow to where Five Mile Creek comes across (inaudible) - -. Baker: Pine Creek. We just went by it a few minutes ago. Hill: Because Five Mile Creek is the original waterway where people settled in Meridian (inaudible) settled further. But the one spot where Five Mile Creek crosses Franklin, there's a little hill that comes up on the south side there. Up at the top of that hill there was a (inaudible) deep well and that was the first homestead filed in the Meridian area. Baker: I know that area well. Hill: So, see, you're not too far from a major - -. Berg: How far south is the (inaudible)? Hill: Browning Madden property. Baker: (Inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 8 of 39 Berg: Well, you know, Franklin and Locust is where it crosses. Hill: It does cross at Franklin. (Inaudible). Berg: We changed - - Hill: (Inaudible) it's at Franklin and Locust Grove (inaudible). It would be in the northwest quadrant of that. The only reason I know is because it's been recorded in somebody's (inaudible) and Mrs. Beery was (inaudible). I could remember when that old well was still there. On the other side, catty corner, there used to be an enormous willow tree and that's where a (inaudible). Baker: Well, I still own two acres plus along Five Mile Creek just on the north side, five miles before I see Pine Street from my grounds (inaudible). I still own that. Hill: Bear that in mind when you get into that area. Because Five Mile Creek (inaudible) in 1890 - - I can't remember, 90 or 96. (Inaudible) from the contractor in a bankruptcy sale. Those 55 farmers then incorporated or at least put their names on a piece of paper, bless their hearts. We can go and chart where they were from the original land applications and see where they went. They dug that ditch on out from the Eggleston property in (inaudible) and extended it down to where they could run that water (inaudible) down Five Mile Creek. And that's how those people irrigated their lands in the bottom land there. So there's a story that goes with it that could certainly play into something as you're working your way through that. Baker: That is something of course, we have a tendency with our operations. I'm getting old enough and long enough in the tooth here that I've got to pass it to my son to work with me (inaudible). It's great to get into the history of what's going on in the areas. We hold land long enough. This has been 18 years and Frank knows me. (Inaudible) Banbury is also 18, 19 years and Utah, our piece there is 15 years on a new interchange in Pleasant Grove, Utah, south of Salt Lake on 1-15. So we're in the long-term holds and by doing so what happens is we end up getting a lot of the history from the people we buy from. Because we piece more separate pieces and piece larger pieces together when we get into an area and do it over a period of time. But we gather a lot of history but there's a lot of history you're telling me about that I didn't know about so there's a lot to learn. Hill: I have done all of the original landowners (inaudible) Ada County (inaudible) and legal descriptions so we could go back and pull those documents that would give you a legal trail to follow and a little reference (inaudible). But I think that's one place where we might be able to save that story. Because you get out beyond there and (inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 9 of 39 Baker: But if you've noticed, Blue Cross has their people out there walking all over the place all the time and as we put the trails and the pathways and the blueways in here and add to it, they'll be able to expand further out as they're allowed to get further in it for running, walking, and expansionary areas. Then it will tie in to your pathways, of course, will tie in and create some new ones that you didn't even really have planned as long as City Council approves it. So that's what we do. That's what we like to do and we love that part of it. Hill: Put that one back in your memory box. Baker: I will do so. Lindgren: In approximately the next three or four months we hope to have these surveyed (inaudible) and meet again. Just share that with you. Baker: The log garage structure is the one and the (inaudible). Lindgren: I think it's these. Yes, it's these and possibly just the silo (inaudible). Those are the ones (inaudible). Baker: I looked at that old corn crib today and that old corn crib is really falling down a bit. Again, when these things vanish the kids are not going to know what that was all about anyway. Lindgren: No, it's not that one. I took a shot at it. It's octagon. Buckendorf: There's another octagon that's in the possibility of falling down too right now and there's another one on Meridian highway that's splitting at the top so it may be time to get out (inaudible). Lindgren: We looked at (inaudible). Baker: It looks like those (inaudible). Buckendorf: Once the roof goes off, then that's it. Because the water gets in (inaudible). The building's enveloped, you know. And once anything's gone from there. Baker: We are most anxious to make an imprint for Meridian for what we do and how we do it. It started with us but we're not in any great hurry just to get in, get out, get the money, and be gone. We don't plan to be. We're building our own office Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 10 of 39 there, world headquarters for DMB (inaudible). We are coming to live and play and help create a place to live, work, play, do all of that recreation. (Inaudible). Lindgren: Thank you. 4. Approval of October 4, 2007 Meeting Minutes: Lindgren: My apologies. I think I'm (inaudible) on the agenda. Let's back up a second. We do need to review and approve the October 4, 2007, minutes. Item number four. Berg: Here are the minutes. We need to pass them around. Lindgren: Has everybody had a chance? I'm not sure there was a chance (inaudible). (Inaudible) at some point leave. So I'm going to entertain a motion (inaudible). I'd like to entertain a motion to approve the agenda, or excuse me, the - Thomason: Second. Lindgren: End of discussion. Any changes? All those in favor to approve the minutes of October 4, 2007, say aye. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. 5. Budget / Finance Report: Lindgren: Item number five, budget/finance report. We have additional copies? Berg: There isn't one for the month of October because the only bill was the one for the telephone and it hasn't been processed yet. Probably because today is the first day of the month and so it's a little early. Lindgren: And this was the closing out? Berg: Last month. So I don't have a printed report because there's nothing that's been recorded as far as (inaudible) finance department. We'll wait until next month. Lindgren: Oh, I'm sorry. Buckendorf: (Inaudible). I said any council. I just told you guys first. That's not fair. Lindgren: (Inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 11 of 39 Buckendorf: I wrote myself a card. I did everything else. I started the slide shows. That's the only thing I haven't gotten around to. I tried to come in September but you were going to be gone for October. (Inaudible). Lindgren: I'm not sure if we changed (inaudible). Good to have you. Which, it's Idaho State? Buckendorf: Ada County. Lindgren: Jessica, is there anything you'd like to share with, what's going on? Since we have an opportunity to talk with you in terms of - -. Buckendorf: Did they ever complete the book that they put out? Shine: The barns? Buckendorf: No, not the barns. (Inaudible). Shine: The agri - - there's a couple being worked on so that's not really my area. Buckendorf: So who's doing it? (Inaudible). Shine: Oh, then maybe not. Lindgren: It was a, a - - what do they call it? Buckendorf: County commissioner. Shine: Oh, yes, we have county commissioners. Buckendorf: As far as the book, I don't know. With the process we do, we presented in, June? We had a treasury board and we're doing it again this year. Lindgren: Yeah, I had a draft somewhere in my car. Shine: They put out a draft copy for (inaudible). Buckendorf: Are you talking about (inaudible)? Shine: The Ada County (inaudible) Plan. I don't think it's in the pictures but (inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 12 of 39 Lindgren: With the combined landscape 8-1/2 x 11. We had a draft copy. Sometimes those people don't give (inaudible). Shine: I got a draft and I got a CD so - -. I think their accounting's a little (inaudible). Buckendorf: Where can we see it? Shine: It's on the website. Yeah, I know there's a link to it on the website. Lindgren: Is it Ada web or no? Shine: Ada web (inaudible) and then there's a link (inaudible). Lindgren: Well, thanks for being here, Jessica. Appreciate that. 6. Discussion of Existing Buildings on Pinebridge Project: 7. Discussion of Meridian Exchange Bank Building / Downtown Buildings: Lindgren: Item number seven, and again I apologize to those that showed up late. We had Shaun Wardle with MDC (inaudible) and apparently Shaun had noticed on our agenda we had discussed the Meridian Exchange Bank Building and one (inaudible) walking tour (inaudible) I believe the pharmacy, the building that's between the market and the bank, opposite the bank, the integrity of that structure being compromised or at least in question. When Sharon, who was the Assistant City Clerk, notified me that it was desired by the folks at Planning and Building to get together and discuss just what's to become of these structures. And again, listening to Shaun discuss it and Bruce - - Bruce is from the Building Department. Berg: He's a coordinator over there. Lindgren: Kind of a chief inspector? Berg: He's kind of the coordinator over that department. No, he oversees that department. Daunt Whitman and the other inspectors are under contract so they're not employees so he oversees it. You probably don't see him out physically. Lindgren: Right, and it's encouraging to hear that at least the current developer of the (Inaudible) Group who I believe has ownership or purchased 109, 132, and 130 1 believe is what I heard and they were talking about demolishing 130, which is the - -. Thomason: 109, 130, and 132? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 13 of 39 Lindgren: That's correct. Thomason: On Broadway. Lindgren: On Broadway. Actually, in order it would be 109, 132, and 130. Thomason: Oh, in order, okay. And that's East Broadway. Berg: They're all on Broadway? How come the numbers are even and odd? Thomason: Well, I think the Exchange Bank might technically be - - Berg: Be on 2nd?. Lindgren: Well, I don't know. Thomason: That could very well be. I don't know why (inaudible). Lindgren: (Inaudible). Berg: I was trying to. Maybe I shouldn't. Lindgren: (inaudible) 109, 725, and 139. But what I'm understanding from Shaun and their group is that they're presenting, the developer is planning on demolishing the 135 Avenue and then that foundation is going to tie into the 132, which is probably the one that's (inaudible). So after talking with Sharon (inaudible) and I've not heard back from Fred yet but you know trying to find out who we might be able to get help if there is help from other sources who'd be funding it. Maybe funding is not the issue at this point. I guess my impression is that it was an issue with the fact that work had been stopped on that project. They had just decided to table it, move on, do something else so - -. Does anybody have any questions on that? I think it's still (inaudible). Buckendorf: (Inaudible) 109. Lindgren: Oh, yes, there is another address, isn't there? Right here, another entrance? Buckendorf: Oh, so the 109 might be on 2nd Street as opposed to Broadway. Lindgren: Are the Exchange Bank and this building, considered one and the same? Hill: No, they're not the same building. The pharmacy was built first. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 14 of 39 Lindgren: (Inaudible). Buckendorf: And the bank may have used that wall rather than build their own wall. Maybe a common wall. Thomason: Mr. Chairman. Lindgren: Yes. Thomason: Any of the other (inaudible) sharing any details about the developers' plans perhaps? Maybe to say retain part of the existing exterior facades? Lindgren: We didn't get into that Frank but I hope that and working in the past has been the intent. Whether that's changed or not, I don't know. In fact, what understand, all it's been submitted for is a demolition permit. So I mentioned to Lila some time ago about (inaudible) what happened back there but --. Especially that Exchange Bank. It is such a beautiful building or can be and needs to be brought back to that. Buckendorf: I'm wondering what (inaudible), what is the plan there? I guess two questions. One, who really owns the building? And who's in charge of it? Two, how bad is its (inaudible). Lindgren: I believe the Volou Group had it at the time, not contracting. I believe they own it or officially own it. Thomason: VO--? Lindgren: V -O -L -O -U. Thomason: Voll? Lindgren: I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to contact these folks and maybe even, if you don't mind, Frank, look through the papers to find out what their plans are? Even as a group, it wouldn't be a bad idea to engage these guys. (Inaudible). Buckendorf: (Inaudible). Lindgren: Well, it's substantial. They electronically communicated that. The reason they did that was so they could actually access it with equipment (inaudible). The problem is that they have done so much damage to (inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 15 of 39 Thomason: I believe there is a structural (inaudible). Lindgren: I think that's part of the reason (inaudible). I have a call in to Ava. I spoke to her briefly. She (inaudible). Buckendorf: Call Fred and (inaudible). Lindgren: (Inaudible). Does anybody else have any thoughts or comments on that or? I think it's real important to see what we can do (inaudible) obviously funding to help with construction (inaudible). 8. Presentation on Rural Survey by Madeline Buckendorf: Lindgren: Presentation on rural survey. Buckendorf: Are you ready for that? Lindgren: Let's go. Buckendorf: Before we start, here is a copy of the map (inaudible). Here is also the talk of potentially eligible properties and information about each of them. I think you've seen this, here is the report I put together. Lindgren: Do you have an extra? Buckendorf: That is an extra copy. I guess in a way you consider this is historic equipment. It's only four years old and it's already very outdated. Very heavy. Yes, you have copies. Berg: Do you need to follow it along or - -? Buckendorf: No. Let me give me you a little bit of the background about the survey I did and why I was concerned. We discussed this in plight of the panel priority. The purpose of this particular project was that it upped the survey forms of 15 but it ended up being 18. We started properties in Meridian's area of impact. They were originally under Ada County. They're now in the area of impact. These were ones that we initially evaluated when I was part of the (Inaudible) Group in 1999-2000 as eligible to the National Register of Historic Places. And this was part of the Ada County funded historic site inventory that was done from 1998 to 2001. What I looked at were the eligible properties. The main concern, because there has been such explosive growth in the Meridian area and the area of impact, you could look at all these structures as being potentially threatened structures. And it's such an important part of Meridian's heritage - - the agriculture and dairy - - that it's really Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 16 of 39 something as far as the city planning, this group's planning to be concerned about, think about, even though they're not within the city's property. I wisely promised to make a priority list of those historically and architecturally important properties that I surveyed to come up with the top five that I thought were a priority to consider or further pursue the preservation efforts. During this project I travelled to each property and evaluated each of these properties, this time as to their present condition from seven years ago, their integrity, and their eligibility at the reconnaissance level. I also re-photographed all of them with digital photographs. I did this at the reconnaissance level. I say this in part for Lila's benefit because at the reconnaissance level of reporting sites and buildings, you don't get to delve into the history of the ownership of the property and all the details that I love and I would like to do. At that level you're looking at the architectural details of the farmstead as a whole, the house and barn separately. Looking at those kinds of details, then the whole history of the property as it was owned. (Change of tape). Buckendorf: Property that I did. Jetton: Oh, it is. Oh my God. I didn't know that. Buckendorf: (Inaudible) 1952. Jetton: (Inaudible) house? Buckendorf: This is on Chinden. They have all the old (inaudible) and everything else. Jetton: Oh, wow. Buckendorf: So, anyway, (inaudible) that's why I said that. This is the part of reconnaissance level you don't want to do but you only get to do once you do a testing level. I discovered three more properties and that's how I came up with 18 properties that I documented during the course of the survey. All together, I took (inaudible) photographs of all the buildings and structures at the 18th (inaudible). So that should give you a little bit of information. I'll have, I'm sorry, I don't know your first name. Jetton: Carol. Buckendorf. Carol, tell more about this property. This is what I knew as the Dean Avery Farmstead. And I love this house. It's just a pristine example of a late -1930's to 40's ranch style farmhouse. Very few people had at the time, with its hipped roof, Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 17 of 39 the real square construction, one-story. Far different from old farmhouses that were two-story. Brick construction. Often some of them had corner windows over the sink so you had a good view. But that's just a mark of the ranch style of house. Next to it is one of my favorite buildings — sorry, you won't see it very well - - is the dairy parlor and I love that dairy parlor. It was built probably around 1940, 1945. Yes, in the late 40's. Lindgren: Sounder item 723? Number two. Buckendorf: Well, no (inaudible). This barn and house are together, all together, and that was also (inaudible). I'm used to using slides and now I have to get into the digital age. Both the house, well, the barn, I'm kind of going backwards but I'm doing it in the order of what the numbers go. Dairy parlors were really a big change in technology on the dairy farm. And that's when the cows started being milked in an assembly line fashion rather than all the cows going into the dairy barn and being milked by hand inside. So rather than milk a few at a time (inaudible). That marks a real transition in agriculture. I think that one is a pretty good example of (inaudible). Just a pristine example of it. I was kind of concerned with Jayker Nursery around there and so forth, how threatened that site was. That's something I didn't have the luxury of doing at this point. They've taken down several of the buildings. I'm not sure. I think at one time (inaudible). It's not one of the oldest sites but it's really pristine. It shows that transition in agriculture during that time and very typical of 40's and 50's architecture on a farm. So, without knowing it was yours, I thought it was (inaudible). Jetton: (Inaudible). Buckendorf: It's not the parlor type. You did it a group at a time rather than have it. Jetton: (Inaudible). Buckendorf: It's just a pristine site. This is one of my favorite ones, it is on the edge of the area of impact, the Taylor Brown Barn. It probably has an older name than that but that's what was the family name associated with it. This barn is just a beautiful (inaudible) dairy barn and one of the few I've seen of that proportion that has a huge sweeping gambrel roof on it. The pointed hay hood that covered the hay track at the far right hand. Jetton: Is that the one that was rented out for weddings and things? Buckendorf: I don't know. Jetton: There's some barn down on McMillan I know (inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 18 of 39 Buckendorf: And this also (inaudible). Thomason: This is? No. Buckendorf: No, the one that's printed out for you. Also you can see a pasture barn which was a change starting in 1915 because (inaudible) the attached milk room that was separate from the rest of the barn. This is a Craftsman -style house that is in pristine condition and really a beauty. There are several outbuildings still intact on that farmstead. I don't know what the plans are for that property. I think it's still in family hands but this to me would be one of the priority types to try and preserve if possible. Lindgren: (Inaudible). Looks like someone still lives in it? Buckendorf: Yes. It wasn't the fellow I talked to in 2000 but I think it's his son. It was Saylor Brown, the grandfather who had it. Lindgren: So both the barn, the barn and the house on the same (inaudible). Buckendorf: They're in excellent shape. They did roof it with metal so with barns that's okay as far as historic preservation goes because of the fire hazard with shingle roofs on barns so it is allowable to do that. But it's just one of those that is really striking on the landscape as you drive out to there on McMillan. Lindgren: As far as you're concerned there's nothing (inaudible). Buckendorf: It has aluminum windows but that is no longer a big issue and the rest of the details - -. What you try to picture is, say if somebody from 100 years ago came and looked at this house, would they recognize it as being the same house? It has all the Craftsman details with the false knee braces and exposed rafters. You can see all those types of details on this house. This is the Valley Church of the Brethren on 4985 North Meridian Road. And I love this one too. It's just a very typical late 19th, early 20th century rural church with a bell tower and pitched roof and so forth. These types of churches are disappearing rapidly and also the manse has already been demolished on this property since I surveyed in 2000. Shine: Is that on Meridian Road? Buckendorf: It's on the corner of Meridian and - -. Thomason: No, that's Star Road. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 19 of 39 Buckendorf: Yes, I think it's Star. North Star Road. I'll make sure I have the correct one on there. Hill: Right down the corner. Thomason: Westside, southwest. Buckendorf: Still used, still active church but these are very threatened sites. Lindgren: (Inaudible). Buckendorf: That's where the parsonage, that's where the minister usually lives. Most churches provided the house. Hill: The rectory, yes. Thomason: Did they ask for that or - -? Buckendorf: No, it was a separate building. Do you see where those trees are? It was right behind it and to the west of Star Road too. But it's gone. It wasn't anything unique but it was part of the whole property. Lindgren: So you're saying that is currently still in use? Buckendorf: Yes. This, and I'd love to know more about the history of (inaudible). When I surveyed it in 2000, D&G Turf Farms owned it and a guy, they called him Hoop Gibson that owned it, the property. But this is a beautiful Gothic arch barn. It has some integrity problems but retains most of it. It's in remarkably good condition. Mostly because they kept the roof fairly intact. The Gothic arch has that beautiful curved roof that comes to a point. Probably the largest. This is the back side of it. You can see where the details of the hay door and hay hood were, where they used to put hay up into the barn on a track. In 1917 the Idaho Farmer, which was the magazine (inaudible), stated all the farmers in Idaho called this the Gothic arch, the wave of the future. Pretty soon all barns would be made like that. Well, they're gorgeous but they were somewhat expensive. They are another one who is disappearing rapidly. And a big issue - -. I'm probably giving you too much details but see that roof? It's intact. That's what keeps it in good shape. If you're losing the roof shingles, you're in a struggle. This is (inaudible) and it was on the beautiful Ada County book that was put out that has many mistakes in it that need to be corrected before its next - - I told Steve about it but he's not involved in (inaudible) anymore. It has many mistakes and I'd be glad to be go through it and get them fixed because I never got a chance to proofread or choose the pictures. But anyway this was at the time what we called the Morgan Anderson Farm. That's who owned it at the time. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 20 of 39 (inaudible). This was on West Ustick. A 1970 land use map showed the name M. Patterson with it. But this barn was still circa 1900. An early form of Gambrel roof with a cupola on top. It is no longer there as of some time after 2000. Recently, I think, 2004, something in there. This is the farm house. It's dramatically altered and it's still on the property. I drove by it but I didn't recognize it, but the roof line told me enough. Hill: Is that the Yost property? Buckendorf: I didn't see Yost with it but it might be. It's on Ustick right across from (inaudible). Berg: Ustick and (inaudible). Buckendorf: It is west on Ustick if you go straight out west, on the left-hand side in a brand new development out there. Hill: Ustick, Meridian. Buckendorf: Yes. Berg: Just past Black Cat. Lindgren: Yes, west of Black Cat. Berg: Which is getting close to the Rambo place. Buckendorf: Right, it's the road west and left, there's a brand new development there. It looks - -. I didn't even recognize where I was, so - -. They did preserve the house but it's hardly recognizable. The only thing that gave it away was the roof pitch. It was all white and lots of (inaudible) and not the porch light that's there now. (Inaudible). Buckendorf: Oh, okay, Ustick Road. Sorry, I was just thinking Meridian. Everything I've done is Meridian vicinity. This was another property that I looked at called the George Leighton -Tom Davis Farmstead on 2742 East Ustick in the Meridian area. When I came upon it this was the original house and I was just horrified, afraid I wouldn't find what was there. But luckily I did. It's the ice house, which is one of my favorite structures I've ever seen. This is the George Leighton House built sometime in the 1900's but I've seen a 1910 picture of it. There used to be a barn to, if you can see my curser, to the left and behind the ice house. The dairy farm had a trolley and the milk buckets would come into the ice house and be stored. It was built of Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 21 of 39 miracle brick which is poured concrete and heavily lined and they used some straw or other packing material and set the milk in the buckets until it could go to the Creamery which was farther west down the road. I'll show you that spot in a minute. But this is the only ice house in 25 years of doing survey in southern Idaho that I've ever seen, still standing. There may be others but not that I know of. It's really unique with its miracle brick. That's what they called those poured blocks to look like (inaudible) sandstone that I have seen. It's really pretty fancy. But from what I know about George Leighton, I ran into his story when I was doing work up on Little Willow Creek near Payette, he was from England. A fairly wealthy man, a sort of a gentleman farmer. He had several farms. One in Boise, one here, and one up on Little Willow Creek where he raised sheep. So it befits the gentleman farmer type of approach. (Inaudible). Buckendorf: In the picture it shows a wagon there and you know the one that was near the McDermott place. That would have probably fed into that creamery from Ustick. (Inaudible). Buckendorf: I was thrilled because this is right behind the Kohl's that's down on Ustick so it was obviously threatened. The owners kept the structure but, you know, I'm hoping even though it's not immediately threatened, it's so unique I hope you'll keep tabs on it and make sure that's it part of the preservation plan to preserve it. Lindgren: Do we have a new current owner? Buckendorf: When I did it in 2000, it was Tom Davis. Thomas and Davis. (Inaudible). Buckendorf: I wondered, and I thought they were really interested when we talked to them in 2000 so I was hoping that was one reason they saved it. Lindgren: Do you think it might still be (inaudible)? Buckendorf: (Inaudible). I think it's just used for storage now. The barn and all the - -. There used to be a small dairy there when I was there in 2000 but that's all gone. I think they kept it out of the goodness of their hearts mostly but I'm very glad they did. They recognized it as being historic and important. This is the back and they built, did some alteration to it, but again because of the type of construction and Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 22 of 39 materials, and it retains most of its integrity, even with those alterations it'd still be an eligible site or building. (Inaudible). Buckendorf: Yes, because Ustick ran right along there. I bet it did too. It took it on down. That's what the people who lived at the current house told me is it went on down Ustick on the interurban and had that. But even before it was completed, they had milk wagons and there're pictures of those at this site. On, this was the Schmitzger property. It was called States Realty. It was owned by States Realty at the time I did survey in 2000. This is at 3580 East Ustick. I think it's behind Lowe's. And this was the only sandstone masonry house I saw. Actual sandstone that was located at the site. This is from our book in 2000. And it was just a gorgeous building. Really unusual. It's a Craftsman -style in some of the details but the sandstone, the construction is just really unique. Unfortunately, this is what is there now. You can tell by the tree that that was beside there. But the house is gone and it's really a shame to lose that because of the type of construction it was. This is what was called the 2000 Starkey Ranch. And as I understand, and you can help me with this Lila, but Frank Nourse owned the property, at least in 1917. Hill: (Inaudible). Buckendorf: So I don't know if he built the house and barn. The house has been altered to some extent. This is on north Meridian. And, as you can tell, there is construction just surrounding all sides of this. But the barn is beautiful. It's a beautiful sometimes called Dutch Gambrel roof with the little flare at the end of the eaves there. Beautiful (inaudible). Just in immaculate condition. Really beautiful shape. And the property was patented by Nourse in 1891. This is one of the few ones where I know that. And he was, as Lila could tell you, a very influential man in the Meridian area and Nampa. And the silo over here, I couldn't get close to it but it's abandoned, a small abandoned silo, and I haven't seen too many of that type of construction. Lindgren: Is this miracle brick? Buckendorf: No, it's not miracle brick. It's metal bands and then it stays. I think it stays under there. But it wasn't concrete interlocking blocks like the concrete stayed ones. (Inaudible). Buckendorf: My husband grew up on a dairy farm and he's a music teacher so that's (inaudible). Here's the barn again. There are some interesting outbuildings Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 23 of 39 and this is (inaudible) but that's really a gorgeous, gorgeous place. This is on Franklin. Another very threatened site surrounded by development. This is the Clarington-(Inaudible) farmstead. It is one of the few intact farmsteads where all of the buildings are still there. And this is a simple little Craftsman house. Modest house, but really looks much as it did when it was built. And this is, do you folks know where that is? Lindgren: (Inaudible). Berg: That's on Ustick and Meridian - -. Buckendorf: It's on Franklin Road. This is a coal house. There're not too many separate coal houses built on property. Mark Calnon, who's in his late 80's, told me about it. But this was a building built specifically to store coal at and that's where they kept the coal. Most of the time it went into the basement but this was kept separately. (Inaudible). Buckendorf: So, and from survey I've done for many years this is the only separate coal house I've seen. Lindgren: Is there a (inaudible) type of deal? Buckendorf: Well, I think Mark Calnon would have loved to have it listed but the executor of his estate, who is his daughter, is adamant on it not being listed on the National Register. That doesn't change the eligibility of the property. It's eligible but she has no interest in having it preserved. This is a granary that's still on the property. The dairy barn (inaudible) is in poor conditionctually. This one is a heartbreaker. This is the Ten Mile Stock Farm that's just west of the (Inaudible) place on Franklin. And this picture is from 2000. It's from a book (inaudible). That was a real loss. Not only for the history of that barn but it's one of the few (inaudible) barns that were built where the bottom story is built into the bank by the creek and the first story, the top story, you can drive into it. Those are disappearing at a fast rate. (Inaudible). Buckendorf: I don't know much about the history of this property but the names Cole and Lopez (inaudible). But just to me it's really a loss. It's understandable with farmers the temptation to tear down the buildings and sell their land for much more than they could ever make farming. It's their retirement, but one thing that Ada County tries to do and something I hope the city of Meridian will do is look at transfer Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 24 of 39 of development rights or densities to perhaps trade off preserving some of these historic buildings. Plus it's encouraging adaptive reuse and that's something now. There's far more literature than there was 10 years ago about adaptive reuse of buildings. This is the Charles Eggers property that's on. Mr. Moore owns it and Charles Eggers was a relative of (inaudible). One place I read it said it was his brothers but in doing some census research I think he was his oldest son. And this property was built in (inaudible). Hill: (Inaudible). Buckendorf: Anyway, Chester Eggers Senior and Junior. Father and son. The newspaper article in The Statesman from way back says they were brothers but it was his son, who was much older. Berg: Don't believe everything you read in the paper. Buckendorf: But this is one of the unique structures that are also on the Sleepy Hollow Farm. This is a double greenery and what is really interesting is Portland Cement, who made the early cement (inaudible), you usually see them in the Midwest. You don't see them here. It constructed the silo part with concrete blocks that interlock vertically and formed that and then banded with iron bands. And of course the concrete blocks come from Portland Cement. In this particular one, the inner part, they drove a truck up and then you had a little motor that blew the grain up into the different sides of the silo. Very unusual. The two Eggers farms are the only ones in Southern Idaho I've ever seen like this. This is a dairy barn and we see here the interlocking stays, the concrete stays, large silo that's also banded in. That's the only one I've seen in this area and more pictures. This is one of my favorite sites. Lindgren: What's that? Buckendorf: This is the outhouse or privy or whatever, it goes by many names. Jetton: When they came to sell it to my father, she couldn't (inaudible). My father always referred to it as a sanitary privy. Sanitary because you go back to the open door. I can show you why it's called that. Because it has ties to the sink up the back (inaudible). Buckendorf: This is also an important part of our history we don't know much about. During the Depression the Works Progress Administration put many people to work that were unemployed at that time. Many of them, especially out west, while they did work with the Civilian Conservation Corps doing (inaudible) and working in forests and building Forest Service buildings, also worked on farms lining canals Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 25 of 39 and ditches with concrete and building these outhouses. The way you know it's a WPA outhouse is by this redwood construction here, the fancy fencing, as you pointed out, concrete. You can't see it right here but there's concrete underneath and there's a concrete floor. That's a deluxe privy and that's where you recognize them as built by the Works Progress Administration. One of them I looked at in Ada County, it wasn't this particular one, had the initials WPA in the corner. So they tell a little bit about our history besides just being (inaudible). Now I don't have a picture of the original building. This was an eligible property that went down about 2002 with much controversy. That was the Walter T. Evans house. Evans was pretty prominent in the Meridian area. It was a two-story wood foursquare house with one of those sweeping hips roofs and this is what's there in its place now. Lindgren: My apologies for this. Do you have (inaudible)? I think you probably have a pretty good picture of what's going on on Locust Grove. Buckendorf: Locust Grove and McMillan? Lindgren: There's an application in for a - -. Do you think it's appropriate to do this now? (Inaudible). I just want to make sure that this property (inaudible). Buckendorf: I need to see it. Without driving by it and without seeing it, I have no idea. Not like Lila maybe. (Inaudible). Lindgren: I'm not sure if we have any comment on this. But I just don't know (inaudible). Berg: We will (inaudible) City Council. Buckendorf: One property that we documented in 2000 was the (inaudible). It's all gone. It had several outbuildings on it, most of which have been altered, but it did have a nice barn there. One of the most interesting (inaudible) is those of you who - -. Can anybody guess what this is? Hill: Oh, it's a bomb shelter. Buckendorf: Yes. Thomason: Coal house. Lindgren: I say a privy. Buckendorf: This was built in the 1950's. It was part of the Cold War scare and it was a bomb shelter to protect you from bombs that might come over. So, with the Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 26 of 39 air vent, if it was hydrogen you'd have a few problems. But it's a concrete bunker and again it's a building we don't often think about but was an important part of the history of this area. There's only a very few left. Unfortunately, it's no longer there. This is what's there now. It's all gone. So if you walk on the property you can see the depression where the house was and the bomb shelter was. This is the Griffin House which we surveyed in 2000. I'm sorry this isn't very good. I took this from a book because I didn't have a picture of it. It's what has been typical in this area but is rapidly disappearing, a 1900 Victorian -style Queen Anne farm house. In 2000 this was very little altered. It has a screened -in porch and the cross gable there and it was a really beautiful, pristine house. Not in excellent shape but in decent shape and it was eligible. This is what's there now. This is on Eagle. But that was an eligible site. Next is the Harry Warrick farm and that is on east Amity Road and this style of barn is the most typically constructed style. It's kind of the folk type of barn that's found in the intermountain west so it's called an intermountain barn. Even though there're several of these left in the whole area of southern Idaho, it's very threatened in Ada County and within the area of impact. It's really an interesting farm. Lindgren: Can you comment on the integrity of the structure? It looks like (inaudible). Buckendorf: There is some swaying in there. The integrity, it depends. Without going in it. That's always a bad sign but it's been covered with metal and it's still in decent shape. But it's threatened around it. Hill: Did they use it for hay? Buckendorf: Mostly hay. I haven't been inside. I suspect these were stalls. Shine: Do you have a card? Buckendorf: I do. It's my work card but it (inaudible). And my email's on it. Shine: I hate to interrupt again. Buckendorf: I'm sorry. I guess this went on too long. I just wanted you to see some of the buildings. Shine: I didn't know what to plan for so I have my daughter being dropped at 7:00 (inaudible). Buckendorf: Been there, done that. We all know how it's like. Lindgren: Thanks for dropping by. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 27 of 39 Shine: No problem. My interest's here so let me know whenever you have (inaudible). Buckendorf: I'd be glad to. Lindgren: Thank you. Berg: Thank you. Buckendorf: This is on south Ten Mile. I don't know why the information (inaudible). This is out north of Overland a ways. It's just a Craftsman house, but it's really a beautiful Craftsman house that is still pretty intact. Hill: (Inaudible). Buckendorf: It's just right on the border of the area of impact. Just a beautiful, really large Craftsman -style house with a huge sleeping porch dormer on the top and pristine overall. It just has great integrity and is in excellent condition. Lindgren: (Inaudible). Buckendorf: On a 1917 property ownership map it shows (inaudible). Thomason: Just to us. Jetton: It's almost a straight line. We're at 5175 (inaudible). Buckendorf: This is the Baldwin barn. It's right on the edge of the area of impact. This is on south Meridian Road next to (inaudible). This is the view south of Amity. Again, one of the two (inaudible) barns that are left and I saw construction markers and (inaudible). It's under tremendous threat. But again, it's one of the few ones left. Almost all of Overland has been decimated since 2000 of historic properties that were along there. I think Amity and a lot of Ustick has been lost too. But I think Amity is one of these crossroads that are going to be next. Hill: (Inaudible). Buckendorf: Sorry, I didn't know. Like I said, we look at architecture first and the history comes second unfortunately. Hill: (Inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 28 of 39 Buckendorf: This is the Eddlemon property and it is really in excellent shape. It appears to be still being used as a farm. Hill: The family still lives there. Buckendorf: All the buildings are intact. There's a good example of very many different kinds of buildings on here from coops to townhouses to - - a couple of generations of houses and buildings on there. So you can see from the 1900's up to present how the farm's been used. Lindgren: This is on (inaudible). Buckendorf: Right on - - Lindgren: Oh, no, sorry. Buckendorf: No, we're on south Meridian. Oh, wait, we're on the (inaudible). I'm sorry. Berg: So we're on the other end. Buckendorf: South McDermott. I'm sorry. Hill: Maybe this is one that could be (inaudible). Buckendorf: I don't think from where I was that it's in the line of (inaudible) but it's very close to development. It's surrounded by development. Lindgren: (Inaudible). Previous ownership. Buckendorf: There's the barn and you can see some of the outbuildings here. And it also has this (inaudible) which I really like. Those are the properties that I looked at that were eligible and still are in the area of impact. This is a property that's already on the National Register of Historic Places and this is the Mittleider (inaudible). That property which is on (inaudible) Lane and it's right behind that gravel pit on south Meridian Road. What surprised me about this is that this was all built in 1949, but Mr. Mittleider who built it was German and had built other barns in the area including one that's used as a bird sanctuary on North 36th up by the (Inaudible) Golf Course. There's a little barn there and he built that one too. This was his own land and he cut the trees, pulled the timbers, ran the saw with his tractor engine and cut all the timbers for this barn. Then this very modern dairy barn with stanchions and concrete floor and concrete troughs for the cows and iron poles supporting the barn. But looking at this, you'd think it was built in 1915. Just a Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 29 of 39 gorgeous barn. This is a Wisconsin -style dairy barn which was the model in the 1915 to the late 1930's of dairy barns. Everything's to scale. He even built the cupolas with a matching gambrel roof right to scale with the windows also. This was the cow -calf barn and a little nursery. That's to the east of the barn. These were also little calf (inaudible) for keeping the calves in there. This was an early example of a silage trough and I was real excited because I saw a roof on it and you don't usually see troughs with roofs on them unless they're in South Carolina or in southern states which are humid or wet. They actually added that later and used it for storage. So, never assume. That property is on the National Register of Historic Places. It's abandoned right now as all the land is being torn up. They must be planning a subdivision around it. When I talked to Kathleen Hammond, who is a daughter of the Rumpel's, they were very interested in doing everything they could to preserve it. It was an Ada County Heritage Farm site too. So that is on the National Register of Historic Places. Lindgren: Who nominated that? Buckendorf: Ada County did it, but this is where Hammond called and wanted it done so it was both together. You have to have a willing participant owner. Hill: (Inaudible). Buckendorf: It's in the area of impact now. The other place that is eligible. It's not on the Register, it's eligible. I just wanted to show this picture so you know what it used to look like and imagine what it could look like. This is the Sleepy Hollow Barn. It is really one of the most unique structures in southern Idaho. (Change of tape). Buckendorf: Hired hands lived up there and I forget what all else. It is large and just really unique. This picture, I wish I could show you more, but they're actually in the front yard there standing by the barn. The (inaudible) came from Ohio and when you look at the barns in Ohio you can see how he was influenced. Sleepy Hollow, there was a barn somewhat like this, not quite, at Tarrytown, New York, where the Legend of Sleepy Hollow was. When I was out there in 2000 on the main cupola at the top, the weathervane was a witch riding a broom. Unfortunately, that's gone now but that's how it used to look, Walt. Lindgren: We have this copy. Buckendorf: Oh, yes, that's right. Other sites that are not National Register eligible but important and should be documented in some way are this barn. It's really a sad story. This is on Meridian Road. It's right next to where a new school was built. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 30 of 39 Berg: Sawtooth. Just north of Linder. Ustick (inaudible). Buckendorf: Yes. This was the John Lemp barn and anybody who knows anything about irrigation history; he helped build the beginnings of the canals through this area and this one (inaudible) teams of horses and cows. When you can see it better, and I should have copied the picture that was in here. Even in 2000 it was in pretty bad shape. It's just deteriorated to the point it's not salvageable. But this site is really historically important to the whole development of the Meridian area. It was also what you called a transferred (inaudible) barn. That means it was clear to the other way with (inaudible) one way but between the gables and there was another alleyway that was transected on the side. That's a transverse frame. That's a very old style folk barn. Lindgren: (Inaudible) Where is that transected from? Buckendorf: Well, you can't see very well in this picture but there was an alleyway that ran the length of the barn, from gable to gable, an alleyway that ran across the barn laterally from side to side. It's sort of a basilica plan. Lindgren: Perpendicular to those across. That wasn't the center - -. Buckendorf: It created four square parts to the barns. Berg: Oh, so that in the middle, that's where it's sagging? Right in there? Buckendorf: Well, obviously what has happened there is they've removed some of the posts that were supporting the roof and the bracing what was there. That's what happens when you do that. Every farmer cuts out posts for some of their barns and discovered to dismay that wasn't a good idea. Anyway, these are just important sites that, even though the structures are gone historically I think it's (inaudible) site. This is the Thomas McDermott property originally. This is on north McDermott and Ustick. Right in the field this is looking at it from the west toward the property. In the field there was where the creamery, one of the early creameries was, right along the interurban. People could load their milk on the interurban and take it to the creamery that way. The owner in 2000 had had this property and maybe it's the same owner, had the whole abstracted title of the property that dates back to Thomas McDermott. It was a fascinating read. He planned to develop it as a small village area but it never came to fruition. So and again there are no eligible buildings on this site. It's been altered but it's an important historic site for the Meridian area. We're done. But just that gives you an idea what's left out there. I don't think I need to tell you how much everything is threatened. So and it's something to list, put in priorities. I put my priorities and I mentioned them in my report. But even that, I still Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 31 of 39 don't have enough information because you need to know how interested is the owner, what is the level of threat, what is the stability of the building? Again it's just my personal opinion. You folks may look at these and know more information than I do about their importance to Meridian's history. So that's that and I'm sorry it took so long. I have a much shorter presentation on the Telephone Exchange Building when you're ready. Lindgren: Very nice, thank you. The next step is prioritization. We as a group can start looking at these and maybe even contact (inaudible). Did you say you contacted in some of these cases? Buckendorf: If the owner was there, I did. I didn't know who to call. When you knock on the door if somebody's home, you're lucky. So that's (inaudible). I was lucky to get on the (inaudible) property at all. Lindgren: It was interesting. We were visiting our exchange student in Germany. We took a little day trip up to (inaudible) which is in northern Germany. What they had done is they had relocated all these older typical German -looking like (inaudible) structures and they moved a lot of these into this, it was like a preserve. I don't know how you could describe it. It was just this stretch of land that you would walk through. Very beautiful, it was gorgeous, with all these structures and they still did demonstrations, the blacksmith did a demonstration. Guy that put together rope. (Inaudible). It was just so cool. I was wondering if with all these grand structures how you might integrate this. Not just to salvage them but to have some sort of educational piece to that. It was a neat thing. But it would be a pretty big project. Buckendorf: In the United States there is a lot of living history. Well, not a lot. There are several living history farms. In Utah they have a good example of one that's supported by private funds and the university there. We're so young yet out in the west that people don't always have an appreciation for the heritage they're losing. I could see in a few years that there may be something that areas like this may want to consider developing a heritage farm or a history farm. Lindgren: And use all existing structures or could others be moved there if necessary? Buckendorf: They can be but that's always a challenge. One - a lot of buildings don't move well. Two - if you take it out of its context it kind of loses it. I'm probably going to send somebody but -- you know like the Bown house down in Boise that they preserved? The Bown house; it's by an elementary there over in south Boise. Well, the building's beautiful. But everything to do with the farm and its setting is gone. When I drove looking for it after they'd done everything, I didn't even see the house. I was looking around. (Inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 32 of 39 Lindgren: Oh, is that the one, the school is right off (inaudible)? Buckendorf: (Inaudible). Right, and now it just doesn't fit there at all. That's why often encourage preserving the setting. Moving, if it's within a similar setting and the building can be moved feasibly then it's a consideration. Lindgren: (Inaudible). Then it goes to plan B? Buckendorf: It's hard because again the value of land. That's why some of the Ada County mills were looking at it. It never got carried through as it should with transferred development rights and transferred density and other things to continue that. Plus there really needs to be a program talking to people of how to retrofit and rehabilitate these buildings for other uses. Lindgren: I feel like in Baker's case, I think they have an opportunity. You know, he's right. If he doesn't fill up the space, what a golden opportunity to preserve that piece of it. But it's worth it. You have to determine that. I'd be interested in his development. I mean, it could be a wonderful study. Buckendorf: But even as Lila said now, there's kids now that still don't realize that milk comes from a living cow. Hill: (Inaudible). Buckendorf: So much of that heritage is disappearing. You've heard me say this before and it's happening in Caldwell too. Every place is monotonously just looking like every place else. That's the part that worries me. You could set yourself down anywhere and have a Quizno's. Nothing against Quizno's or any other of those places, but you know how to change the order. Hill: Madeline, I have one question. I may not have asked you this before. We did our reconnaissance survey (inaudible). You did your accounting survey in 2000. So there's 13 years in between. The city, we only did Old Town. So nothing has ever been done between what is now in the area that was in the old survey. This has really got me thinking there are some properties in there that need to be done and every time I mention it (inaudible). Buckendorf: No, what happened is at the time we did the survey, Ada County survey in 2000, we were given specific instructions to stay outside the city limits of Meridian, Kuna, and several other places. The only places we were allowed were Eagle, Star, not Kuna. But Meridian and others we were specifically instructed to stay outside city limits. So there are those areas. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 33 of 39 Hill: There are areas on the edge of town and before you (inaudible). Buckendorf: That one's a good example. Some properties we didn't access in 2000 because we had (inaudible). So that was another issue. That chase was with a shotgun. Jetton: My dad sat home watching a pheasant go down across the field and my husband said you better not show back here. Lindgren: Real quickly, we've had a lot going on. I do appreciate it. I loved it. Will you be available approximately next month to review the telephone building? Buckendorf: Yes, I'll be glad to do it. It'll be shorter, fewer pictures, and I just have a few things yet to finish for nomination. Lindgren: Perfect. Buckendorf: If anybody knows of historic pictures of that building I'd love to have them. I can't find any. I've been looking. So far. I even checked with Mountain Bell in Denver. Hill: They took pictures of everybody (inaudible). Because I've looked at them at Mountain Bell in Denver. Lindgren: I think I'll just race through the (inaudible) if you don't mind and then Madeline (inaudible). In fact, if you wanted to break it down any time. We'll just give you a hand with that to the car. Berg: Just a question. Is there a way that I could get some of those slides and put them in with the minutes so that at least - -. Especially Carol is not here. I know she (inaudible) pictures. Buckendorf: I gave a CD with the digital images in color and black and white. Lindgren: I have that, Will, (inaudible) car. Buckendorf: So you can reproduce it that way. I can make copies for you if you need them. But you can take them and print them how you want right off the CD's. Lindgren: Is that them? Buckendorf: No. That's the one that (inaudible). It's in a case. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 34 of 39 Lindgren: This is what I brought in. Hill: Then they were right here. These are yours. Lindgren: Lila. Hill: I'll go home and clean house. Berg: You have yours though, don't you Lila? Hill: Uh-uh. Lindgren: You have this Lila as well. Hill: I hope. That says Walter on it. Lindgren: There's another one that should be (inaudible). Hill: That one says Lila Hill on the top of it. Berg: I'll give you one that says Steve on it. (Inaudible). Berg: No, we're looking for Lila on the envelope. Lindgren: Could we get through this and we'll help you look for that, Lila? Hill: Oh, I'm sorry. 9. HPC Page on City's Website Update: Lindgren: Item number nine is the city's website page. Do we have anything we want to discuss, or no? Berg: We have just been upgrading it. I would encourage you to look on it and give us some ideas next time or email me. We're going to try to get real pictures. Lindgren: I think maybe we could add some of this survey work. Berg: That would be great. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 35 of 39 10. Walking Tours Project Update: Lindgren: Item number 10, walking tours project update. Did anyone want to comment on that? Turney: Yes, I do. In this CD is a capture of a recording (inaudible). I have retyped all the text in the original walking tour but what I'm missing, and I've gone through all my photographs I have, I only have one photograph of the Woodmen of America Hall. To insert these photographs into the - - to get this electronic so we can get a better copy. So I've retyped everything verbatim. (Inaudible). My issue, I don't have any of these old photos to conserve and compose (inaudible). Hill: Oh, here we go again. Turney: So the only thing I could suggest is that if these are still around (inaudible) that we have to go around with a digital camera and rephotograph. Lindgren: Well, we have the survey photos from, anyway but those are recent. mean does it matter if they're - -? Hill: Most of those were (inaudible). Turney: Do we want to use these same photos? Hill: They're in Tom's camera. Lindgren: Does it make sense to show more recent? Turney: Well, the ones on the walking tour might be more recognizable. Hill: So what it would cost today instead of originals. Turney: You know we could even do this at home if we wanted. (Inaudible). But that's been my lagging. I don't have - -. The only photos, I went through all the ones on the disk. I burned all the photos that we had. The only one I have is (inaudible). Hammond: Does that include Emily's photos? From her survey? Are you sure? You should have all of them. I mean you should have the vast majority of them, shouldn't you? If you have Main Street you may not (inaudible). Turney: I have (inaudible) the address on (inaudible) and I went through every one of these things and opened it up and nothing even looked like it. I didn't have an address to match these and no images. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 36 of 39 Lindgren: (Inaudible) survey really concentrated along Main street and maybe half a block ends and the majority of those really don't even - -. Hill: They weren't even in the area. Turney: I emailed (inaudible) a while back saying I didn't have them. So if we don't have access to these it will take a while to unfortunately (inaudible) area but if we don't have any other access then I'll have to just have to go to each of these addresses and take an updated photograph. Lindgren: I think somebody (inaudible). I know you're in Boise. (Inaudible). Turney: I live in Meridian. I work in Boise so that's not a problem. It's just my concern is I've had this assignment I think (inaudible). Lindgren: Well, that might be another group exercise. Berg: Maybe we can do it on another Sunday afternoon. Take some photos. To be real honest, it's not just up to you (inaudible). Lindgren: (Inaudible). Turney: You're okay with new photographs? I just wanted to get that. I just wanted to make sure we didn't have those things and that's what we wanted to do but with those photographs I can complete this (inaudible). Modernize this a little bit and I won't have this rendering. It's really nice. We can do something for a cover. Lindgren: It's just got to be another map. (inaudible) If you want that arrow in it. Hill: There are some of those (inaudible) because they're no longer. Turney: On the tour? And that's the other thing is - - Hill: Like the Creamery isn't there any more. Turney: That's my only copy of that? Berg: Do you need me to make some copies? Turney: I want to replace it. That's all I need. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 37 of 39 Hill: Part of the text we handed to somebody, an upgraded text at a meeting. Carol and I did. Somebody took it home (inaudible). A lot of that information that has to be changed. Turney: That was the other thing I wanted to address. All I've done is just capture that, retype this, (inaudible). Hill: (Inaudible). So there's a lot of information on these that we had upgraded. Carol and I did but we handed it in (inaudible). Lindgren: I checked. I have everything else. I could not track that down. I don't know if it was myself or who but it's - -. Hill: Will, do you have it hidden in your stuff? Lindgren: Is it too much trouble to tape that again? Turney: I do have a clean copy of what I've retyped. The actual text retype. It's on the same format. It's exactly the same information. Lindgren: Lila, is that possible by next meeting? Hill: Oh, we did it in one morning. Lindgren: Well then what were you complaining about? Turney: You know, you've waited six months for me to do something once and she's already done it once. Lindgren: Anything else? Turney: That's all for the record. Lindgren: With those comments back and I think if it's possible to get photos. Do you think in the next thirty days? Might not happen? Hill: Depends on the sunshine. Lindgren: How difficult would it be? No, we want clear photos of those. I think that's probably a bit of mixture of old and new. We probably want to keep it consistent. It shouldn't take that long. Turney: I just don't want to promise anything. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 38 of 39 Lindgren: No, I understand. Let me see if I can go around with a digital and take some shots. 11. Update on Sleepy Hollow Farm Project: Lindgren: Item number 11, update on Sleepy Hollow Farm. I did talk to Jim Jewett and same situation as last time. He seems still interested in pursuing this approach. He's been working with his land planner and engineer to figure out exactly how access would get around it so he thought by the end of November that he should have a much clearer idea of how. I think looking around his property might access such a thing. He seemed to still be encouraged by the process which is good. That time of the year (inaudible). Any other questions on that? Buckendorf: I've got to get that article to you. There was a developer (inaudible) March Coeur d'Alene dairy farm and it was in the newspaper. It was an AP story (inaudible) get a copy of that to you. 12. Follow Up on Harvest Festival / Scarecrow Event: Lindgren: Item number 12, follow up on the Harvest Festival/Scarecrow Event. (Inaudible). I'll read you a letter from Teri Sackman. Dear Walter, Another Meridian Scarecrow and Harvest Festival has been completed thanks in large part to the support of our festival sponsors. The Historical Treasure Hunt had almost three times the number of teams we have had in the past and all of the teams were very excited about the opportunity to explore Meridian's history and receive some memorabilia. Thank you for your sponsorship and volunteers (inaudible) that was displayed by the Commission volunteers. We hope they felt as good about the outcome of the event as we did. (Inaudible). Sincerely, Teri Sackman. Hill: We need to (inaudible). If you keep it within a walking area. Lindgren: We'll do the rural treasure hunt next time. Hill: That would be exciting on these (inaudible). Buckendorf: Find the only half of a bridge. 13. Development Project Comments: Lindgren: Item 13 is development project comments. (Inaudible) presentation. I guess we have some time on those. The only question I have is that property (inaudible). The Locust Grove and McMillan property I was just sharing with you. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission November 1, 2007 Page 39 of 39 Buckendorf: Oh, yeah, I can check on that. Lindgren: I guess I can drive by there too. I just don't know (inaudible). Buckendorf: I think it's the old Leighton property and Barbara Fulcher was the daughter and Wiley is still around I think. (Inaudible) I think the one from Annie Rosewood. Lindgren: Anyway, we just have to take a look at (inaudible). Basically they're opposing a development with a commuter store and filling station. Buckendorf: (Inaudible). Lindgren: Yes, so let's take a look at that before next time. The next meeting is Thursday, December 6, 2007. Do we officially have that scheduled? I'd like to entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting. Hammond: Second. Turney: Second. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. 14. Next Meeting: Thursday, December 6, 2007 at 5:30 pm MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:50 P.M. _'& e 7 DATE APPROVED Gi�✓D�yf.,iir� � ATTESTED: WILLIAM WILLIAM G. BERG JR., 61TY CLERK