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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2007-08-02City of Meridian Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Meridian City Hall — Mayors Conference Room August 2, 2007 @ 5:30 P.M. Item 1. Roll -call Attendance: X Walter Lindgren — Chair X Frank Thomason 0 Tom Hammond — Vice Chair X Carol Harms Arrived 6:04 P.M. 0 Steve Turney Members Present: Walter Lindgren, Tom Hammond, Frank Thomason, and Carol Harms. Members Absent: Tom Hammond, Steve Turney. Others Present: Will Berg, Lila Hill. Lindgren: We'll go ahead and start the monthly meeting, Meridian Historic Preservation. Today is Thursday, August 2"d, 2007. Time is approximately 6:00 P.M. Just for the record we have Will Berg, our City Clerk liaison to the City, as well as Lila Hill. Thomason: Mr. Chairman, Tom Hammond is on his way. He's caught in traffic. Lindgren: Very well. Thank you. 2. Adoption of Agenda: Lindgren: Did we have a chance to review the agenda? Do we have a motion to approve the agenda? Harms: I make a motion to approve the agenda as presented. Thomason: Second. Lindgren: Any discussions? All in favor say aye. THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 2 of 22 3. Approval of July 5, 2007 Meeting Minutes: Lindgren: Has everyone had a chance to review the minutes? I also understand that Dorothy is having some difficulty. For the record, Tom Hammond has just shown up mere minutes after I have. (Hammond enters meeting.) Hammond: Really? Lindgren: We're just reviewing, Tom, the minutes from July 5th. Take a motion? Thomason: Mr. Chairman, I would make a motion to approve the minutes as presented. Harms: Second motion. Lindgren: Discussion? All those in favor of approving July 5th minutes say aye. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. 4. Budget / Finance Report: Lindgren: Budget/Finance Report. Hammond: Mr. Chairman, before you (inaudible). Berg: If you have any questions, I could try and address them but if you notice there is the Build -a -Show, Memorial Monument, and (inaudible) preservation that must have been sent out. Lindgren: Oh, I see. (inaudible). Berg: As well as the regular phone log. Lindgren: We'll get credited back that $1500, is that not correct? That is correct. From (inaudible). And we'll talk a little bit about Madeline's proposed scope. I guess you can call it (inaudible) because I think she has some estimated scope I believe she is working with at Sleepy Hollow Farm. She had proposed three particular phases of work and we'll get into that in a second. We've got approximately or maybe exactly $3500 that will come out of this as well. But I just want to make sure everyone is aware that out of that $1500 that is earmarked or has been paid, I guess, to the State preservation office (inaudible). Anybody have a question on this? Our budget? I'd like to entertain a motion to approve the budget, or excuse me, financial (inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 3 of 22 Harms: I make a motion that we approve the budget as presented. Lindgren: Any other discussion on that? All in favor say aye. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. 5. Review Scope of Work for Consultant Contact: Lindgren: Review the scope of work for consultant contact. Did I not forward you guys the e-mail at this point? Thomason: Yes. Lindgren: I think (inaudible) just so you know we get (inaudible) I believe that a draft contract is still being worked out with the City. Correct? I saw it (inaudible). Berg: If it is we need to have a kind of boiler plate or special service agreement and then you attach the scope of work to that agreement (inaudible) right now. So I copied a boiler plate. Kind of look and see what that part of it is (inaudible) special services. (Inaudible) signature whatever scope of what we have (inaudible). So if you've got some additional things that we may want to discuss or remember, make sure we cover (inaudible). Also in your packet we have a copy of Madeline's resume and information from the last special proposals in 2004. Lindgren: Is that included here as well? Berg: The purchasing agent (inaudible) can continue that agreement (inaudible). Lindgren: So we're just continuing that. Berg: (Inaudible) Lindgren: I would just suggest on this agreement we can just apply it. I don't think we're going to be adding or even subtracting so could we not just buy her skilled services (inaudible)? Is that what you're suggesting? Berg: Yes, that's what I'm suggesting and I think what we do is make a formal motion that we recommend the Council (inaudible). We can get that on the agenda of City Council (inaudible). Lindgren: Having said that, I'd like to entertain a motion to approve formally, Madeline Buckendorfs, proposal for scope of work. One is to "the bulk of work" into a survey for the National Register (inaudible). Also helping us to do some additional Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 4 of 22 survey work for some rural properties. She's got a list of those attached as well and also (inaudible) and getting an architectural consultant out there to do some additional work in terms of structural analysis of the structures and also help work with the owner to possibly salvage (inaudible). Berg: (Inaudible). Lindgren: Yes, that's correct. But anyway what I would like to do, and maybe we can wait for Will to get a copy back to us. Have a fresh look at it. Harms: (Inaudible). Lindgren: For - -. Harms: (Inaudible). Lindgren: Oh, is that right? Harms: Three or four years ago. Lindgren: Well, what we're going to look at and I did receive a voice mail from Howard Foley (inaudible) so - - Harms: (Inaudible). Lindgren: Is that right? Harms: (Inaudible) elevator and the mill. (Inaudible). Lindgren: What do you think is the likelihood of it staying there? Harms: Well, they're not going to move the mill. And I don't think (inaudible). Lindgren: No, no. (Inaudible) I'm just curious. Harms: I think we need to (inaudible) if we want to do agriculture (inaudible). Farmers don't have grain any more. Thomason: I think that's a very good point. It seems to me that even if that structure is retained, which would be fine with me, it would have to be gutted and renovated as a part of a complex of boutiques or (inaudible). Lindgren: The amount of work Madeline had identified. Harms: I didn't see that. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 5 of 22 Lindgren: There's a list (inaudible) draft proposal. Working with her we had come to the conclusion that it may be best to start with these rural properties that she's identified as really needing some sort of look at before we get to the bottom line. So that isn't as agricultural as it is more rural out of the town core, I guess. Initially when we met with Madeline we were entertaining having her continue to survey the downtown corridor but - -. Harms: Well again, (inaudible). Thomason: Isn't that a shame? The barn's torn down. Wasn't that the old Lopez place? Lindgren: Yeah, she has that. So I guess I'd like to entertain a motion to approve this proposal. And (inaudible) I guess its purpose is to (inaudible). Berg: Yes, Walter, the idea is the Commission can't enter into a contract, the City has to. So the recommendation is for the City to (inaudible). And just another comment from Lila. We need to cross out those things that are not really legal to survey. Hill: I think there are (inaudible). Berg: Is this a list of the, I guess my question is (inaudible). It's fine the way it is? Harms: When you look at it, it's not there any more, and you still want it surveyed, are you talking in terms of just looking at the written history then? You want to keep it on for that purpose? I mean just because it's not there, we can keep it in there and include history and those pictures of - -. Lindgren: Is that how the title survey works? If something's been recently demolished there's still fact finding (inaudible). But Carol's question is, if the building's not there is there still a way to survey what was there, document (inaudible). Hill: She's already done that. Lindgren: Has she? Hill: (Inaudible). Ada County (inaudible). There are some errors in it that I know of. Harms: Would you want to look at correcting that then? Correcting the errors and then including it in this survey? Just so that it's --. Lindgren: Well, I see - - Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 6 of 22 Harms: There's not much work to doing it. Just correcting the errors and then adding it. Lindgren: Was that originally done using the same criteria? The same (inaudible) ones. Harms: (Inaudible). Lindgren: So we can just strike that. I mean, just have a review of it or even just (inaudible). Harms: (Inaudible). I don't know how much (inaudible). She's fine. (Inaudible). Lindgren: But having said that, as Carol mentioned, do you think there's a value in getting updated information on that site or just (inaudible)? Hill: (Inaudible). I don't even know why it was (inaudible). Lindgren: It doesn't make any difference to me. Hill: Isn't Ten Mile Creek up here somewhere? Ten Mile Creek goes across (inaudible) freeway. Berg: Ten Mile and Franklin. Hill: And then it runs down below Ten Mile, almost right here, and crosses then behind south of the LDS Church across (inaudible). Is that Ten Mile Creek or is that a drain? Harms: It does say under 15 other structures (inaudible). Lindgren: There were that many structures out there? Hill: There's a picture of it down on the property that forms - - Lindgren: (Inaudible) that barn. Hill: Oh yeah, there's one down there that we did for the (inaudible). - - so forth and so on. But Anna's at the point (inaudible). Lindgren: Who is that? Hill: Anna (inaudible). Her family owns the Ten Mile property. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 7 of 22 Harms: Maybe we could just leave it on for now and let her kind of work around that. If there's any time left, have her just go back and correct that; errors in there. Have her just (inaudible). Would that be good? Just leave it on there - - (inaudible). Hill: (Inaudible) Some of these, I don't know (inaudible). Lindgren: (Inaudible). We've got two. (Inaudible). Hill: There's no route down here that she (inaudible). And they were all over town and you could ride around in a tractor easily, a lot of them. Lindgren: Those are four-square houses. Hill: The four-square houses (inaudible) and Overland. The barn (inaudible). Lindgren: Is there a list, is there a property on here that you would (inaudible) rural property (inaudible). In lieu of Ten Mile, for example, or - -. Hill: Well, there's an (inaudible) structure with those right over here. Lindgren: The focus of this was, I think the focus was concentrated on rural properties. I think we just have to do the surveys is what she was talking about. We initially (inaudible) surveyed downtown core and thought, well, because of time, we were running a little bit tight on time as we were getting closer to September 30th and we thought this would be a smaller chunk to chew, to divide on. And then eventually in the fall or (inaudible) go back to the survey downtown. So we certainly have an opportunity to come back. But I guess if I would ask you if this is just a property that may not be the selection that we should make, we feel may need some attention or not. Hill: (Inaudible). Lindgren: Well, even that was kind of like a bit of a rural image, original village, or close to it? Hill: Original settlement out there. Lindgren: Yeah, some kind of history among other things. Hill: Of the family and - - Hill: Two story. It's Victorian but more gingerbread. (Inaudible) gingerbread in those days (inaudible) and we have pictures (inaudible). Lindgren: And people call it the Onweiler --. How do you spell that? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 8 of 22 Hill: Ustick and (inaudible). Lindgren: O -N- W- E -I -L -E -R? Hill: I,E, I think, I, E. Lindgren: I've seen it different ways. I've seen it I -L -E -R and (inaudible). O -N -W -I- E -L -E -R? Or E, I, or just I? Berg: Yeah, sounds right, that's fine. So that's Onweiler what? Hill: It's the name of an interurban stop at one time. It was the name of the corner out there. Lindgren There were orchards there? Hill: There were orchards in all of the early farm family settlements on Five Mile Creek. Lindgren: That would be Ustick and - - Hill: (Inaudible) and strawberry farms out there. Lindgren: Five Mile and Ustick? Hill: Ustick and Meridian. Lindgren: It'd be on the southeast corner. Hill: And there is a subdivision (inaudible). Like one straight line. Berg: So where Larry (inaudible) is? Hill: You're in the wrong generation Lindgren: What I propose is we can save plus or minus these properties but let's reserve the right to — if there's one that we don't feel is worthy. Hill: (Inaudible) in town ever. Lindgren: But again, we'll come back to the City. Thomason: (Inaudible) a subdivision in the future? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 9 of 22 Lindgren: I think we can revisit that one more time (inaudible) report. Hill: In the meantime, I will (inaudible) inventory and - - Lindgren: So maybe that could (inaudible). Very little scope in that or -- Hill: (Inaudible) 1912. (Inaudible). Thomason: Are you still waiting for a motion to - -. I'm just (inaudible) where we are here. Lindgren: I would suggest that we entertain a motion to approve that proposal with some condition that we have some flexibility in these rural properties that are being surveyed. (Inaudible). Hammond: I make a motion. Harms: Second. Lindgren: All those in favor say aye. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. 6. Follow up on Sleepy Hollow Farm: Lindgren: We have a meeting set for, I believe, August 7 t to meet out at that site. We have a, I believe he's an architectural historian, I'm not sure. (Inaudible) is bringing out a structural engineer to take a look at the structures that we identified as I guess worthy of saving. We might have some disagreement on that. That's okay. Hammond: Keep losing things? Hill: (inaudible). Lindgren: No, they're still there. I mean, they're deteriorated. That's true. And, you know, I think it's an opportunity for us to do something here. So at this point it's no out-of-pocket expense because (inaudible). The structural engineer, all that work is being funded by, I can't recall, but it's fully funded. Thomason: Is there a time on that next Tuesday? Lindgren: Will, do you have that? I don't have it. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 10 of 22 Harms: By the way, whoever sent (inaudible) did a nice job. I think it was Will. It was a very nice note. Thank you. Lindgren: You know what I could do, Frank? I could forward the e-mail on to you. (Inaudible). At 2:00. 1 could follow up on the time. But it's on the 7t', Tuesday. I'll follow up with an e-mail. Harms: Are we supposed to come out there and - -? Lindgren: It's not required. No, we're just going to (inaudible) walk through with (inaudible) and the concrete. Hill: Don't wear your good shoes. Lindgren: That's the construction industry though. I know better. Harms: She's telling me not to put my heels on. Berg: So we'll call on the date and time so if anybody wants to get out there. Lindgren: This is not a meeting or anything. We're just saying they're going to be out there if you want to, when they're there, come out and take a look at it — great. If not, (inaudible). Anybody else have any questions on that? And, so far, I think we've got Jim's ear and (inaudible) if it's something that we can really make a case to him and possibly do some adaptive re -use type project there as he eventually builds that commercial development. Try and do something. I think the strong case is that why tear it down and put up another stucco retail center? It just doesn't make sense to me at all. And with this property, granted, but if we can just communicate that and help him realize that, hey, there's economic benefits with this. Why not do it? (Inaudible). Harms: In the form of grants to help him. Lindgren: Well, I think what does exist is the tax credits is basically the extent of it. But l think there's other (inaudible). But anyway, like I said (inaudible). 7. Update of HPC Page on City's Website: Lindgren: Item number seven, update on the website. It's looking good. Harms: It's very nice. Berg: (Inaudible) we just need some more photos and I think it's probably on the agenda, a couple of things just to kind of follow up to make sure if there's any other things we need to add (inaudible). It's good to refresh our memory (inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 11 of 22 Lindgren: I will tell you this, any image in the background, they're just random shots. Berg: The one that's on the main page is some kind of steeple shot which we talked about. As soon as we get those photos, we can pick some and put that in the background. Even a picture of the Generations Plaza or (inaudible). We'll get something that's more (inaudible). Lindgren: But I think it's going along. 8. Update of Walking Tours Project: Lindgren: Item number eight, walking tours project. I know that was something Steve was looking at closer and he has the latest on his survey work and (inaudible). And we talked a little bit again about doing that online as well or at least having an online walking tour where you can click on an image of a photo, have some data that's typed up. Whatever may make it interesting. Harms: I was going to say, even a video of the walking tour would be (inaudible). Lindgren: You know what, we've been talking about doing that for quite some time. Hill: Nobody wants to look at (inaudible). Lindgren: No, but I agree. An audio would be (inaudible). I think we need to do it sooner rather than later. Harms: I think we need to take them on a tour. Lindgren: Can we schedule something? Hill: Let's do the tour. Let's follow this young lady here with the camera. And as she's talking, show what she's talking about. Lindgren: (Inaudible) per property. (Inaudible). Well, it's only getting colder or will be eventually. Hill: Thank goodness. I'm not going to be out there when it's 110. Lindgren: We could do it September. (Inaudible). Harms: Let's let her choose because we're inviting her, imposing on her time. Hill: So do you folks want to do September? Meridian Historic Preservation commission August 2, 2007 Page 12 of 22 Harms: We could start with that one. Lindgren: This is (inaudible) audio downtown. Oh, you mean the stops we were talking about? Hill: Yes. Lindgren: The most recent one then. Hill: And I'll have to do it and see what needs updating. Lindgren: We're trying to get that updated again, graphically and format -wise. (Inaudible). But I think it's the audio part (inaudible). Harms: Well, if you take the video while she's talking, that can be edited to match what she's saying. If you don't do it at the same time then try to figure out specifically. Thomason: Let's do that. Hill: I'm wondering if it would be better to do it later in the month than the first of the month (inaudible) kids gong to school. Lindgren: That's fine. Personally I'm going to be out late September -early October. Berg: The sixth is the (inaudible) that Monday. Thomason: The previous Monday? Berg: Yeah. So it's a short week. I'm just (inaudible). Hill: If anybody's got a chance to get out then (inaudible) exactly. Lindgren: Okay, you want to do it the second week then? Third week? We'll shoot for third week, on Thursday? That'll be our meeting? Or is it too late? Hammond: That Thursday is the (inaudible). It's Farmers & Merchants Business After Hours. Lindgren: Oh, that third Thursday? Hill: We could do it on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon. Hammond: What time? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 13 of 22 Hill: The light would be better. Berg: You mean after noon? Maybe that would be a little more appropriate for photos and not being rushed in the evening. Hill: And there wouldn't be as much traffic. Lindgren: Sunday afternoon, so mid-September. Berg: Why don't we look at everybody's calendar and make sure. Steve needs to be part of this thing. And then maybe we can e-mail a date, what second or third? Thomason: The 23rd maybe? Lindgren: Why don't we set that and let's get together. We probably still want to meet in October if we can at a meeting. Hill: We'll look at it and giggle. Lindgren: There you go. (Inaudible). Hill: I see (inaudible) garden thing. Lindgren: Turned out nice. Thomason: Thank you. Lindgren: The other thing that might be tied to that I guess is the Harvest Festival, the Scarecrow Festival, and just as a side note, as you all know, we are sponsoring that. I talked to Terry Sackman today. She said that Idaho (inaudible) - - they're doing actually a lot for that scavenger hunt promo meaning advertisement prior to the event. It's something that they're really tying themselves to. So I'm not sure exactly what that meant but (inaudible). And again, what we need is that we've got this walking tour just prior to this scavenger hunt which will kind of tie (inaudible). Hill: That was a great e-mail last year. I worked the booth, handing out flyers, and people were interested. Kids had a great time. At the end when the prizes were awarded there was a lot of enthusiasm. That was great. I'll do it again. Lindgren: Yeah, I thought that was neat. It was a neat day. I agree. I think the only unfortunate thing at that time was we were really (inaudible). I talked to Terry today and I said, gosh, we really need to get together and talk more about this (inaudible). Add a little bit this year, add a little bit next year maybe. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 14 of 22 Hill: For the 11 th hour, that went very smoothly. Nobody knew it was the 11th hour, it just (inaudible). Beautiful day. Berg: You know, as long as we have a fair or something can we think about trying to (inaudible). I'm just throwing this out. Like buy raffle tickets for a nice framed photo of an historic picture. I know we've done something like that but I'm just saying (inaudible). Hill: Sell a hundred in book stores. Berg: Or maybe there could be some prizes or something. Lindgren: What were the prizes last year? (Inaudible). Berg: But you know, you can do another collage or something. I just think you grab a lot of people that don't know we have history through an event like this and you grab people who have been here (inaudible). Because even if you hung those photos and they inquire how can I get one of those? Buy a raffle ticket or, I don't know, it's just another way to kind of wave our flag. Lindgren: Agreed. So you want to frame a few or just - -. Berg: I don't know what we've got going with After Hours with the bank. Hammond: I meet Elizabeth tomorrow but I already talked to (inaudible). And she's already got some frames and pictures already done that she's worked on. So I (inaudible). Thomason: Stupid question. (Inaudible) the After Hours (inaudible). Berg: (Inaudible) after the rush of the summer (inaudible). Lindgren: That's the 13th? Berg: 20tH Hill: Of? Berg: September. Hill: And that's at Bank of Cascade? Harms: Remember, we do have (inaudible). Hammond: Can we make those into display boards? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 15 of 22 Harms: There's a lot of that, if you take it down to Kinko's and have them put it through their great big machine and enlarge it to the max, put it on foam display board. Glue it up to something. It doesn't have to be fancy. It doesn't have to be. Lindgren: (Inaudible) of that nature. Harms: (Inaudible). Lindgren: Well, I've got a (inaudible). Harms: I mean the pictures are all black and white, you know. Lindgren: (Inaudible) amazing stuff. (inaudible) I'd probably just put together something as good if not better. If you get photos, what we can do is you can scan those images. I can arrange them in either a Photo Shop or Publisher document, and I can pump those out 36 wide by however long, like I said (inaudible). And that could be a collage. We can organize it. We can (inaudible). Whatever you want to do with it. (Inaudible). That's what I'm offering. So we can do that. I just need a - -. Hill: You have some of my pictures anyway. Berg: How many houses have we done (inaudible) that we can do before and after pictures and show them how things can be made useful in today's (inaudible) society? Side by side, what the building is there right now, being restored, and what they were (inaudible). They can see how they've changed and still match with today's society of (inaudible). Lindgren: The registered ones? Berg: I would think the registered ones would be the highlighted ones because (inaudible). And you can label them and keep them on for other displays, especially for the bank thing also and have them for the Scarecrow. But that would just show the community that we're doing things. Lindgren: Yes. Hill: Maybe we need to schedule a meeting over there. It's time to look at pictures and things when the library is not open. You guys are all working from the library though. Lindgren: Oh, I can break away. Berg: Sure, but that might be a good thing and not even have a meeting. Just whoever wants to, go over there (inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 16 of 22 Hill: Because in order to do that we have to have arrangements made with the janitor and all of that kind of stuff. Because we don't have a key to the door. Harms: I don't have a problem getting there during the day for a little bit. You don't. Hammond: (Inaudible). Lindgren: But if I understand it, you might want to, like a board would be good? Some collage or something? Harms: Something that would look professional. Berg: How many houses do we have? Harms: There's the original Trujillo and the Exchange Bank (inaudible). Lindgren: And we have two new ones. I thought somebody said seven. I'm not sure where the seven came from. Is there a property or a site? Harms: Well, Intermountain (inaudible) and they changed it to five. Lindgren: Okay, that's - -. Berg: We have six that we can do before and after pictures on and label them and put a location on them. Harms: And we can even do some pictures not on the Register, you know. Lindgren: Which ones? Harms: The Heritage Building. Lindgren: Oh, that's right. Yes. Harms: There's no problem with pictures before and after there. Berg: Especially since (inaudible) featured ones because then people can recognize well, that's one right there. Harms: You might even want to consider what's already gone. What was there and (inaudible). Lindgren: You know what you can do is, much like our signs, is have those images, maybe (inaudible) of a couple houses and then just put a quick text like in our signs, Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 17 of 22 five second read. Because images are one thing but (inaudible) make it real quick. Kind of go over whatever. Harms: Let's just do that. Lindgren: So, again, those are things without framing (inaudible). We can probably do this with foam core. Of course, pretty cheap. Do a nice print. If I can present with the City logo, it'd be nice. (inaudible) We can talk about that more but we can get off line and - -. Hill: You guys really don't know what we got. (Inaudible) and a lot of the stuff we have in the bank vault, quite a bit of it. All of the buildings (inaudible). And they're all in the bank vault. So we .have access to far better records than (inaudible). But we do have some big things (inaudible). Lindgren: I think if we can get off-line and we would probably need to have a pretty good sense of what we're doing by our next meeting in September. Harms: (Inaudible). Lindgren: Maybe we can just do some quick mock-ups. Just do like a little cartoon, how we want to do it, and then maybe (inaudible). I don't mind. We need to talk about it. There's still (inaudible). Hill: I won't be there. Carol will be there. And I think Carol and I are just going to (inaudible). Lindgren: So this is, the idea is to (inaudible) at the booth so there's something that Berg: I could just have them at the bank. (inaudible) Thursday (inaudible) we push it so we have it organized. Lindgren: Ready for it. That's probably not a bad target so - - Harms: That's two separate audiences too so I think that's good. Hill: After Hours is the - - Harms: In the essence of time since you want to spearhead this I'd be okay with you because we're running out of time. Lindgren: I know, I know. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 18 of 22 Harms I'd be okay with you just selecting this time and then next year more of us can be involved maybe in something different then at the next function. But really as much as I'd love to come see them and I will, because we're so close you're just going to have to do it. Lindgren: Well, maybe what we do is by next meeting we'll come with a draft. I can come with a PDF that we can print. Harms: Do you have good pictures at hand already in your computer? Lindgren: Which ones? Hill: Number three (inaudible). Lindgren: (Inaudible) I was just going to say Mark Walters. That was the purpose of having those because he scanned those in the high resolution scanner of his. (Inaudible) house I don't think I have for some reason. Hammond: (inaudible) post card. (Inaudible). Those are the ones (inaudible). Hill: (Inaudible) you took the pictures of the ones on the Register. And you were going to take them back and then slide them back in on that first shelf (inaudible). Lindgren: Let me check on that, Lila, because I thought I - -. They could only be in one place, my office. Hill: (Inaudible) if they're not there but (inaudible). Berg: My thing is, whatever photos we can get, I'd like to get that at least on the website. It would be quick to look at old photos. Hill: Now all of the Creamery (inaudible). Lindgren: Let's move on here, let's get going to the next item. 9. Review Upcoming Training Seminars: Lindgren: Review upcoming training seminars. You know, I don't know what the group feels. I've done my tour of duty. The next one that's coming up that I threw out at the last meeting was October 2nd through the 4th in Minneapolis. (Inaudible). That's the National Trust, the seminar I went to before and I think if you go to the right seminars you can find the information. The National Alliance for (inaudible). So is anybody interested in doing this? Funding is there but I just want to make sure it's productive too. I want to make sure that, you know, if somebody needed to be recharged, rejuvenated. That's part of the challenge. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 19 of 22 Berg: (Inaudible) coming? Lindgren: I believe the second through the fourth. Hill: (Inaudible) seems to be able to accommodate that. Lindgren: (Inaudible) Let me go back and find out where to go (inaudible) a better sense of what we anticipate the cost would be. (Inaudible) I'm the only one who's gone to these things and I feel that, well, we did the camp together but that was here locally, but you get a sense of excitement even if the camp was local. Imagine going somewhere like Baltimore or Minneapolis or wherever it is, with a group of folks from outside. It can be (inaudible) so I do think there's a lot of value in that respect. So I think it's worth somebody (inaudible). We can leave it at that today but what l would suggest is because accommodations (inaudible). Is anybody here, Carol, interested in doing that? Hill: I'd be interested and I think Tom would as well but we just need to look at the schedules and whatnot. Lindgren: Sorry to interrupt, I agree with Steve's comment last time. Probably a seniority thing. (Inaudible) We could probably just do the one (inaudible) but then certainly I think the next time, next year would be (inaudible). Hill: I just attended Camp (inaudible) I would really recommend that because Tom is willing that we have him go. We're looking at your schedule, Tom. Hammond: That's my personal time, not my (inaudible). That should be okay. Harms: If you can accommodate him, (inaudible). Lindgren: (Inaudible) if you want to go. If you have a couple days you can get away. Hammond: (Inaudible). Lindgren: What I think, Tom, is (inaudible). Let me see what I can find (inaudible). Harms: But anyway, yeah, I'll be a backup to him but I would really like to see Tom go because I just went to Camp. You're right, you just get so much out of it. I was amazed (Inaudible). Lindgren: But that was just Idaho. It was just small (inaudible). And you realize (inaudible). What I can do, Tom, I will track that information down (inaudible) and then maybe what we can do is, probably the next meeting, (inaudible). If it doesn't Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 20 of 22 happen it's not the end of the world but I think we're getting close enough to schedule that trip. 10. Development Project Comments: Lindgren: Item number ten, development project comments. Will, I can go through these offline and we'll see since we've got a little bit of time tonight (inaudible) until October, is that correct? Berg: Yes. And just go through those (inaudible). Harms: (Inaudible). I'll send you (inaudible). I have one over there and I have one at home (inaudible). Lindgren: That was kind of (inaudible) that discussion became sort of addressing (inaudible) we were kind of focusing on this core (inaudible). Certainly more non - eligible than eligible so why not really go to the source. I'd like to bring one other item up to Will. If it's possible, if somebody could make it their little project to go track what's going on with that. I know right now that they've done (inaudible) back side of the market side (inaudible). Really if for any other reason just to check what's going on. Right now we're trying to track down what kind of permit they even have applied for. (Inaudible) Is anyone coming in? Harms: (Inaudible). Lindgren: I have (inaudible) send it to Will so I (inaudible). Nothing would make me happier, Lila, (inaudible). Berg: Are we looking at where the progress is as far as (inaudible) something? Lindgren: I think more so just what are your plans? What are thinking about doing? The contact is Michael Jobes. Hill: No, I realize that but he was connected with the people that were doing (inaudible). Lindgren: You know, I think you're right. I think (inaudible). I don't know if he is any more. Hill: I have his phone number (inaudible). I need to call Berg: (Inaudible) Building Department so he could at least direct us as far as what the City knows (inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 21 of 22 Lindgren: Michael Jobes, J -0 -B -E -S. And his phone number is, it's an out -of -area cell, not 208, 404. Is it 404 or 440? 9290. It's either 404 or 440. Just don't leave my name. Hill: (Inaudible). Lindgren: Well, the other one is this Krausman, which I think they're doing a neat job on right on Meridian and (inaudible). I don't know what's going on over there either. I feel like, again, how come - -. Hill: Because City Planning is not (inaudible). Lindgren: Well, they are now. We're getting the reports but I feel like we're working on a curve here. So I would suggest that we, if somebody could follow - -. We're interested in what you're doing. Could you check in? Find out who the owner is? Say, hey, we notice something's going in there. We're excited to see that (inaudible). Great project. Hill: Background. (Inaudible) daughter Alma married Mr. Burke and that's the Burke Home. B -U -R -K -E. And I have the Burke children (inaudible). They came (inaudible). Lindgren: Oh, is that right? I knew the guy's name that was doing it, I don't know if it's the same guy. His name is Ed Munson. Hill: (Inaudible). Lindgren: It just brings to light we are set up with MDC, and just say we are out here guys. I think I said before MDC is trying to make things happen. We want to make sure that they're making it happen in concert with what we're trying to make happen. Not to be a thorn in their side but don't think you're going to start promoting nice buildings with a parking lot there. Berg: (Inaudible). Lindgren: Absolutely. And that's what we're trying to do. (Inaudible). I don't have anything else. Does anybody else have anything to share? Anything going on in your life? Hill: (Inaudible). Lindgren: You did? How was it? Hill: Wonderful. The weather was gorgeous. Humidity was down. (inaudible). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission August 2, 2007 Page 22 of 22 Lindgren: Wonderful. Isn't that a cool place? Is that the archives? I was there about a year ago today and I literally shivered. I'd like to entertain a motion to adjourn. All those in favor of adjourning say aye. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. 11. Next Meeting: Thursday, September 6, 2007 at 5:30 p.m. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:07 P.M. APPROVE — X/ - 9 6 07 WALTE NDGREN - CHAIRMAN DATE APPROVED ATTESTED:,7-�/� WILLIAM G. BERG JW, CI Y CLERK