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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2007-04-12City of Meridian Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Meridian City Hall — Mayors Conference Room April 12, 2007 @ 5:30 P.M. Item 1. Roll -call Attendance: X Walter Lindgren — Chair X Frank Thomason O Tom Hammond — Vice Chair X Carol Harms O Steve Turney Others Present: Lila Hill, Carol Jetton, Will Berg. Tom Hammond arrived at 6:12 p.m. Item 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Harms: I would make a motion to approve the agenda. Thomason: Second. Lindgren: Call the order. All those in favor. THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. Item 3. Introductions: Lindgren: Introductions or what do we do here. Berg: Introductions are to just make sure that you acknowledge everybody that is here because we have been having a special guest, even from the Meridian Youth Council or Mayor's Youth Advisory Council. Lindgren: So, again I told you Tom, who is (inaudible); Lila Hill the official city historian and Jim Jewett who we are going to talk to a little bit about the (inaudible) on that property on Ten Mile and Overland (inaudible--). Item 4. Approval of March 8, 2007 Meeting Minutes: Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 2 of 21 Lindgren: Has everybody had a chance to review the March 8th minutes? Comments or suggestions? I would entertain a motion to approve the March 8th meeting minutes. Thomason: Mr. Chairman, I move we accept the minutes of the March 8th meeting. Harms: Second. Lindgren: Any further discussion on that? All those in favor of approving the March 8th meeting minutes say aye. THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. Lindgren: What is it? Harms: Explaining the brochure and (inaudible--) Lindgren: Do you want to just make a note of that? Thomason: Mr. Chairman, I would amend my motion for approval to include that correction as (inaudible). Harms: (Inaudible--). Second. Lindgren: It has been moved and seconded to approve the amended minutes. Call the question. All in favor say aye. THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. Item 5. Budget / Finance Report: Lindgren: Will I haven't really had a chance to review this, but anything you want to bring to our attention about this — or let's see we have got — still have a pretty good chunk left within our regional budget. I thought we had — we have got some expenses that I think will come up — well the CAMP will be covered by the funding from (inaudible) from the state. The signage (inaudible--). One other thought that I had, too, was at some point was — I think it is the National Association of Preservation Chair — because that was like the end of May, I thought. Or the end of June, I believe. (Inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: I can check with somebody (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 3 of 21 Lindgren: With respect to that, where are we in the process of getting (inaudible--)? Berg: It is being processed so it will get paid. I did not check to see if that is what we approved or (inaudible--). We did a ball park, so I didn't check and see, but I want to make sure I had a copy of that invoice so they knew that it was completed. Lindgren: You know I checked his original email that (inaudible--) and 90 percent it is consistent. I think we are fine and (inaudible--). The fact of the matter is is that to get him paid on that amount (inaudible--). I just want to get him caught up and he is usually (inaudible--). Harms: This almost seems like it less than what we had (inaudible), but I could be (inaudible). Lindgren: But we had some (inaudible--) too because some of those ribbon plates were already (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Harms: Should we entertain a motion to just go ahead and (inaudible--). It is not going to change, right? Lindgren: No, I don't expect so. Harms: Do we need to do that? Lindgren: I thought it was already a done deal. Harms: So this is just information? Lindgren: An invoice, yeah. Is everybody comfortable with that? Okay, anything else on that or do you want to go forward? Item 6. Future plans for existing barns at Overland and Ten Mile property with guest Jim Jewett: Lindgren: As I mentioned, Jim Jewett is here to join us and I will let you talk a little about — Jim do you want to talk a little bit about this site and then also if wouldn't mind if we could just get our arms around your schedule and how it impacts (inaudible--) and I guess how might be able to work together. Obviously, funding (inaudible-) are going to be questions that we all have. (Inaudible--). Jewett: Thank you and let me give you a brief history of what we are doing out there and what we have done up to date. We have recently acquired the property that we call the Ross Property, which is at the intersection of Overland and Ten Mile all the Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 4 of 21 way to the Interstate. It is joining a much larger parcel that we have that is called the Southridge Subdivision, which is the entire half mile on the south side of Overland, Ten Mile and Linder. Through the process of acquiring this property, we have been working with ITD on the Ten Mile Interchange in identifying — these were identified as potential historical structures. As a developer when we acquire property like this, there is a little bit greater liability for us and it would be for the individual property owners — we have vandalism and so getting the sites down to level as soon as possible is pretty important for us to minimize liability on our part. We were requested by the city that we talk to the Historical to determine if there is value and if there is something that needs to be done with that value (inaudible) cooperative effort with them. So that resulted in a conversation of me being here today. ITD has hired and they got permission from us and they hired an architect that went out and documented dimensionally the entire structures, photographed it — they have documented for the federal process and are nearing completion of that process which would then allow me to move forward with ITD. There are some issues obviously with that Interchange and with Ten Mile Road that is going to impact these (inaudible) — whatever design they have, plus the widening of Ten Mile and they are actually going to build Ten Mile in that area 19 feet — Lindgren: (Inaudible--). Jewett: -- vertically 19 feet. So the fill area goes out of it. So that is actually what we are striving at and obviously the desire to keep the Ten Mile project moving forward (inaudible--) I think city and state, the legislature, the Governor — so we are here to see how I can help; if there is some value that (inaudible); what value it is; what value it isn't so that — you know what limits I can have in moving forward and getting that done. Obviously, liability is not only in vandalism, but fire and we have got to get in there — we are actually considering and we have actually negotiated to have the corn maze on the agricultural part of the site this year. Can you imagine the amount of people that we (inaudible--) with the corn maze? Well, when you said about timing that is a concern that I forgot that we did have a tentative commitment to allow a corn maze to be on the site this year. Lindgren: What buildings — and Lila my question to you is what structures do we see as a prioritization — (inaudible--) however we get there and how we get there is another question, obviously. But, you mentioned a school (inaudible--). Jewett: Yeah and I found a real clear picture of — you know one of the three original, what I have been told is one of the three original schools that were constructed. One was located here just on blocks and was relocated here when the Interstate was built and it has been sitting there ever since. My understanding was that all three were identical. This one — the one that currently sits at the school site here in town and the other one sits on the corner of Amity and Linder. (Inaudible discussion) Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 5 of 21 Thomason: There are several of those. Hill: They haven't done their homework. Jewett: It was actually the people who live out there, but if you could enlighten me, I would appreciate it. Hill: Okay the one at Amity and Linder belongs to (inaudible--). The building itself is not in bad shape, but (inaudible--). This one is the (inaudible--) because some of the others are (inaudible--) Locust Grove and Overland and it has already been (inaudible). Okay this was the Sunny Slope School before it was Remington School before it was moved. (Inaudible--). Sunny Slope I have information on (inaudible). It was moved there. (Inaudible--) moved it there. The barn was built by (inaudible) Eggers grandfather, Fred and Fred and Myrtle lived there and (inaudible--). Then it was sold to somebody in between and then the Agee's lived there. (Inaudible--). Bill's father was a legislature member and traveled around a bit. (Inaudible--). Then the Agee's lived there and then after that it kind of lost its continuity with community. (Inaudible discussion) Hill: It was over on the — I would have to show you on the (inaudible--) Thomason: In the same area? Hill: Remington was the Secretary for the Nampa and Meridian Irrigation District (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Hill: It is not in (inaudible--) condition (inaudible--) Jewett: I haven't actually looked at it. I hear the pigeons have taken roost there. Hill: Well it is up on blocks; it served as a grain room for some period of time at one of (inaudible--). Because it used to be used for that and it is basically four walls and a roof. Jewett: I could see that. Hill: And no windows; but its integrity is quality (inaudible--) other than documenting the facts there. That is where it was and that is what it has been before that and put it in your file of stuff called properties that have been — well, whatever word you want to use — Jewett: -- demolished. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 6 of 21 Hill: -- demolished that have historical significance — (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: What about — I mean, I think — historical value (inaudible--) (Inaudible discussion) Hill: On part of the building there are (inaudible) and they look like they have got wings. (Inaudible--). I would think if you had one of these (inaudible--) and you would want to save it (inaudible--). Lindgren: First of all, are you — Hill: Are you allowing a sell? (Inaudible discussion) Jewett: It is something that can be worked out there that we could (inaudible--) salvage for you, we would. Hill: (Inaudible--). I would think that we could find a place for maybe one of those and one of the metallic troughs. It is a cute little (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: (Inaudible--) Jewett: It is some sort of metal. I can tell you I haven't (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: I know this is for ventilation, but (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Hill: But those are the things that made it and if we could have a photo from the road, Frank, that would show the whole barn — the Ed Eggers Barn. Berg: I have a question, Mr. Chairman. Lindgren: Okay. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 7 of 21 Berg: How many different buildings are we looking at? I mean, we are looking at the school and then we are looking at the barn — Lindgren: The original barn — Berg: And that is all we are looking at? Jewett: There was a home, too, that was identified by ITD as an historical structure, too, but — Berg: There are two things to note — what we are looking at is the school is maybe not as easy to restore or graph or — Hill: I think it would follow the (inaudible--). Berg: The barn then is another thing that if there are parts and pieces to it even to be able to incorporate into another building or to bring parts of it into — Hill: (Inaudible--) Settler's where they are going to be working with the (inaudible) — Berg: Yes — you could incorporate some of those things, maybe fix them up; even if those vents were something that you could put on — sorry, an old vent onto a new roof just to demonstrate that that is what they used to have to identify — Hill: -- or have one that they have a (inaudible--) Berg: So you may need to take several to make sure you have one good one. But, you wouldn't know that until you got out there and starting doing it. Is there any old doors or old windows or anything interior that you think maybe you need? Hill: It is pretty well stripped. Its integrity is not — Jewett: You are looking at the — if I can say, excuse me — the working operation side of the building — the more architectural side is the size of old trees on the road and it does have all the old window panes, a lot of them broken out. It has got some stuff on that I haven't seen in a long time — but on this side, this is an addition; there are some additions over here that weren't part of — you are looking at — Hill: It was built before the days of the distinction between grade A, grade D and all of that stuff, so you have got to know (inaudible--). You have got a garage (inaudible--). So, it is a matter of going out and getting one, two, three, four or five shots probably on both sides. I have a panoramic camera, but I don't know if I could get it all in one shot. (Inaudible discussion) Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 8 of 21 Hill: If the wind doesn't blow and the sun does shine, I might be able to do it. (Inaudible discussion) Jewett: (Inaudible--). It will be a commercial — (Inaudible discussion) Jewett: There is a tall one right there. Hill: Well, there would be concrete (inaudible--). Save the things that are architecturally significant or different because it was the barn in the area and Davidson's was the other one. We don't have pictures of the inside of the barn and I am sure (inaudible--). Berg: Did Ada County have any interest in this because at one time when they were doing their old collect and they identified this as being a — (Inaudible discussion) Hill: He deeded it over to somebody else and I don't know where it has gone. Lindgren: I can get back with Steve. I remember way back when we brought this up and now it is in front of us. Maybe if we (inaudible) emails and say hey we are looking at this, but — we will explain our position and say — Hill: There is a full spread about the barn and about the Eggers and (inaudible--), but I referred to him (inaudible--). But there is a good article and a really good picture of the barn. Granted it has been (inaudible) from a newspaper, but we discovered that if you make a copy on a good Xerox then it will stand. Lindgren: Jim, you mentioned about the (inaudible--) — I didn't get back there, so there is quite a bit more intricate? Jewett: Yes. Berg: That is where you want to take your pictures. Jewett: And they documented that while the (inaudible--) — there is that level of growth that is going to be occurring — you see the foliage, so when ITD went out there and I don't know why I couldn't get my hands on that — (Speaker unknown): I am sure you can. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 9 of 21 Jewett: Well, yeah just for documentation, but that was the first time that I walked through because it is very heavily vegetated (inaudible--). Hill: Well, Drew said that he and (inaudible) had driven in (inaudible--). Jewett: Now you say his grandfather built it and they built it as a dairy? Hill: Yes. He was an outstanding dairyman. Thomason: Fred or (inaudible)? Hill: Fred. Jewett: Then I understand it went into an orchard for years? (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: As far as our next step — Hill: (Inaudible--) Berg: Well, you never know until you look into those things. Jewett: I would say you might want to walk through first. Harms: Is it structurally sound? Jewett: I believe so, yes. Lindgren: Maybe within the next month or two, we could schedule a trip out there, Jim? I have got ways to contact you (inaudible--) and we can just — Berg: Maybe at the end of this month. That is only two weeks. Hill: I will be here for two weeks. Carol is going to be gone for two weeks and then I am gone for a week. Lindgren: Is that something that we need to schedule or can we just go out there? (Inaudible discussion) Jewett: One suggestion that was made to me and I will put it out there is that within our subdivision, which is across the road we have neighborhood park that might be a city park or it might not be. We are still working with the Parks Department. There was one suggestion of making a — Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 10 of 21 (Inaudible discussion) Jewett: Well, yeah, putting one on top within that park (inaudible--), but if there is a better location. I am just looking for direction — Lindgren: About as good as any, I mean really, I personally feel like — because (inaudible) the site in a spot where it is going to be high enough that it is not going (inaudible--). I think that would be a neat idea (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Jewett: They have added that yellow structure on there. You really — the barn — this is the original building back here. All of this has been added on. Harms: So you have added grade A milk farmers and you added (inaudible--) (Inaudible discussion) Jewett: Yeah, the freeway came through and took that (inaudible) and the north side became a short (inaudible) because the Interstate — Hill: Because this is the backyard here. Jewett: Yes, that is the backyard of the house. Hill: And the backyard has wonderful trees, blooming trees. Jewett: And how do I preserve those? Hill: Well, tell that builder to leave them alone. (Inaudible discussion) Berg: Jim, it is called creative design when you lay that thing out. (Inaudible discussion) Jewett: I have been looking at those when I drive by and say oh my gosh — I am just thankful (inaudible--) because they would make mitigate to probably hundreds of thousands of dollars. (Inaudible discussion) Berg: You offset it, but do you really get what it was? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 11 of 21 Lindgren: No. Ours was (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Okay, great and Jim if you just get like within the next month or so with us and we can communicate back with you and hopefully we will have (inaudible). think maybe even by our next meeting we can have better information and try to at least get this process started, but I think the group — just to recap, we have identified that probably the cost at some point is worth it, in addition to taking photos (inaudible--) and start to inventory what we have out there, Lila and it may just come down to (inaudible--). Jewett: Well, I will also send one of my employees out to do an internal cost to make sure it is sound and maybe we can get inside and inventory the inside and see if there is anything of interest inside. (Inaudible discussion) Harms: Do we need one of your employees there when we go? Jewett: We would just ask that you call us first so we know. Thomason: What is your number? Jewett: Just call the office at 955-6655 because we keep a close eye because we don't want vandalism. So if somebody calls and says that somebody is on the site, you know we just need to know. I have employees living there now as kind of a caretaker and to keep an eye on it. But, if somebody could just call the office. (Inaudible discussion) Thomason: How old did you say that was? Hill: I think it was built about 1920, 1921. Jewett: I think the report that ITD gave me was the early teens. Hill: I have to go check and see — they appear in the paper probably, but (inaudible). Jewett: In that existing house? That is a very small farmhouse. Hill: (Inaudible--). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 12 of 21 Lindgren: I would like to proceed with the meeting, but I appreciate your time, Jim. Thank you and we will definitely talk more. Jewett: I will put a call into my ITD representative — Lindgren: -- and if they — a lot of time (inaudible--) a copy and forward it to us. Thomason: Where is your process now with the City? Jewett: For this project or south? Thomason: This one. Jewett: This one we haven't even committed yet. Thomason: So, it hasn't gone to P&Z? Jewett: No, we kind of wanted to deal with this issue up front. ITD was the lead into our overall plan. This is just our pecking order — (Inaudible discussion) Berg: Lila, can we get up on the hill at the old Weast house and see if we can take a picture? Jewett: Again, if you want to do that just give my office a call because I know that ITD has trampled through there and we have a renter in there and they would say who are you? Berg: Well, that is why you have a caretaker there, right? You want them to know what is going on. Harms: Is there power in that building? If we were going to go inside — Jewett: That is a funny issue because right after one of my employees moved in, the power line fell down between the house, it was that rotted and it just fell down; so we had a livewire in the yard. We have since (inaudible). Harms: So if we were going inside, we would need to bring a flashlight. So, no windows, I think — oh, that was in the school. Then my last question is how many spiders, bats and mice might be there? Jewett: In the winter time you don't worry about them. Harms: Okay, so pray for a cold day. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 13 of 21 Lindgren: I appreciate your time. Thank you. Okay, moving onto — Berg: You might introduce our other guest or commissioner. Lindgren: Oh, yeah, Tom Hammond has arrived. Item 7. Status of CLG Grant Funding from SHPO: Lindgren: $3,000 for full funding and $1,600 of that is going to the CAMP workshop, which we had talked about — actually we may as well talk about that at this point. I forwarded that email to everybody about the CAMP workshop? Thomason: Yes, sir. Lindgren: We have got three spots and we can get more. I don't know if you guys have had a chance to check your schedules. Thomason: June 1St and 2nd Lindgren: Yeah, just Friday and Saturday. It doesn't really matter who — I mean, if we want four or five (inaudible--). Right now we paid for three. You guys want to check your schedules and we can take (inaudible--) or — Hammond: I will be out of town. Harms: Is this an all day thing — all day June 1 St and 2nd?. Lindgren: (Inaudible--) Friday from ten to eight and then Saturday nine to five. Thomason: That is in Boise, isn't it? Lindgren: Yes, it is. A group of other Commissioners. Thomason: Did we ever find out what CAMP is an acronym for? Lindgren: I will send you an email, Frank. Anyway, it is basically I think it would be neat — I would be interested in (inaudible--). I don't know if you saw it, but I sent an email about taking a tour of the Governor's Office at the Idaho House. (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Anyway, do you want to check your schedules and see if it works? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 14 of 21 Harms: At this point it does, but I believe that Steve definitely was interested in going there. Lindgren: Did you mention it last time — Harms: Well, he has mentioned it, so I think that if you send out an email and just say — (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: And we are comfortable if we have more than three attending (inaudible-) Item 8. Update of HPC Page on City's Website: Lindgren: Who was working on this? Was that Steve? Berg: I can give you a report of what you kind of mirror what you missed. I will ask him because we did do some things, some hot buttons and putting some agendas and some minutes on that page and we are going to get the photos from our previous homes and scan them and put them on there. We have done some work on the web page to try and make it a full blown page of Historic Preservation Commission. Lindgren: What I can do is have the ones that Mark scanned — Hill: You still have them? Lindgren: (Inaudible--). You know I think they have got a better scanner, even though I thought ours was pretty decent. Berg: If you could send them to me after you scan them; that would be great. That is what we want. Lindgren: All right, so anyway that would be good. (Inaudible--) Berg: It is getting there. Lindgren: It is getting there. Berg: We had a person out for six weeks so we are back today with our full staff so we will make it another higher priority. But there are some things there rather than nothing. Even your name is listed. Lindgren: Mine is? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 15 of 21 Berg: Yes and the Commissioners. Lindgren: You don't tell the public how to reach me, do you? Berg: Cell number, home address — no not really. (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: It is our link? Berg: It is a page on the website. I guess you would say it is incorporated in the city's website. Lindgren: (Inaudible--) Berg: We are trying to deal with some rearranging of some of the website, but right now you -- listed with the other Commission and then you click on that Commission and it brings you to that page that has the agendas and the minutes and the listing of the Commissioners and kind of a paragraph of what you are charged to do. Then we had a list of these (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Item 9. Update of Walking Tours Project: Harms: Are we going to put the walking tour portion of that on there too? Berg: When that gets completed, yes. Lindgren: Speaking of which, I know that Steve has been working on that. I don't know what the status is as of late — (inaudible--). Harms: I think he got the original from (inaudible--) (Inaudible discussion) Harms: Yeah, Lila and I have worked on updating and editing some of those. (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Is that something that we wanted to try and incorporate into our month of May? Harms: Yeah, we were going to do the walking tour — we talked about it last time, a virtual walking tour (inaudible--). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 16 of 21 Lindgren: Okay and meaning — when you say virtual --? Harms: On the website. Lindgren: Is there some way that we can get that information out to the public or — (inaudible--). By the way on the website — if we could at least highlight to the public that there is (inaudible--). Thomason: Will that be on there in May? Harms: Yeah, if Steve gets it ready. He said it doesn't take long to scan it in. (Inaudible discussion) (Tape turned over) Item 10. Update on Additional Signage: Lindgren: Let's see, the two signs — Mark is really close to getting it wrapped up — just that the photos aren't correct. I made them aware of it. They have the photos scanned and — they had the wrong photos still — Thomason: Mr. Chairman from a visual standpoint I think it is just outstanding. (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: What I would like to do this week or actually the next week is contact (inaudible--) — and getting with the property owners to get those (inaudible) for early May. Harms: And that would coincide with our Preservation month? Lindgren: That is the goal, yeah. Harms: We talked about it briefly, but did you want a rededication of the other ones because we are doing this May --? Lindgren: Well, I am open for suggestions (inaudible--) (Inaudible discussion) Harms: Well the last one that has come along — did you not coincide that with the Chambers meeting so it was right after the Chambers meeting? (Inaudible discussion) Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 17 of 21 Berg: We did it right after the Chamber luncheon, so needed that. The other issue that we have though anymore. It is at the School District new building. But, of notice and try and promote it — Lindgren: When does the newsletter come out? (Inaudible discussion) we didn't really see that we is we don't meet downtown I think if you give them plenty Berg: Well, I think Tom needs to check out if there is other important things happening. Lindgren: You know — we could just say — you don't have to be specific about — you could be more specific about location at the meeting. (Inaudible discussion) Item 11. Development Project Comments: CPA 07-002 South Meridian Area CPA 07-003 Pathways CPA 07-007 Ten Mile Area Lindgren: Do we have those available — or? Berg: Two of them you did from last time; you had them emailed to you and these were in your box. I think one of them is brand new or revision or something on the Ten Mile Area. South Meridian and the Pathways were emailed and you just wanted to touch bases. All these amendments as far as the Comprehensive Plan, which is what the CPA is; they are amendments to our Comprehensive Plan, they will be on the agenda for the P&Z — they were on for last week and they were continued until next week. So, if we want to make some comments we still have time to make comments, but we also — if you remember I said that it also goes before the City Council, so we have time to make comments and I will get you the update emailed to you so you can look at that because it is not like this is the deadline to do it, but as a collective body if we want to make some comments — last week or excuse me last month we talked about some signage possibly on the Pathway to have information on some historical sites that may come about and making some kind of comment that we may want to require that with development or may want to encourage it as the Pathways are developed. Lindgren: Let me get this straight, the one is for the South Meridian — Berg: All those that you have got are new ones. Those aren't from last month, they are pretty much brand new, which we kind of look through a whole group of them Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 18 of 21 and said these are the ones that we were particularly interested in. We are assigned to give you things that are in downtown, but I also made a point to give you the amendments to the Comprehensive Plan because I think some of those things as we get further out into the respond areas we get some of these barns or old houses or any of these historical sites that we may need to take note of and Comprehensive Plans are pretty good to at least put some general guidelines of what we would like to see and if we need to do that then this is the time to do it. Does that make any sense at all? Lindgren: It does, yeah. Like the timing — well for example, on CPA's 2, 3 and 7. Berg: Those are new ones that we just put in your box. I will get those scanned and sent out to everybody. Lindgren: But we don't need (inaudible--)? Berg: What is the date on those for the hearing? Lindgren: (Inaudible--). If we got comments in by the next meeting, is that enough time? Berg: Yes, I think it is and I mean we can add some comments; like I said this is at P&Z level. We also have City Council that has to have that and sometimes that might stimulate some other ideas too. You never know. But, I will try and get all of these things electronically to you so you can look at them and if you want to put them on the next meeting or which specific ones we want to make comments on we can do that. Lindgren: Yeah, it is just kind of hard to get your arms around it. Berg: Well and that is the one we had from the last week, but maybe because all of them are kind of related it would be good just to look in one thought and look through all of them. Lindgren: (Inaudible--). It is right on the corner of — it is on Meridian Road — (inaudible--). The other thing I do want to bring up is when we — as the downtown is changing and MDC group, you know — MDC is in charge of creating creative ways of bringing in businesses into downtown and sometimes they may not think about the bigger picture about what that might mean. Meaning, for example, if they are looking at a (inaudible) with an historic value and say well we can make some deals and then we can tear that house down and build you a nice new building — I don't know how best to do that, but really it is a matter of just getting in touch with Shaun Wardle (inaudible--) and you know just get ahead of the issue, just something that dawned on me because — Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 19 of 21 Hill: I think you are going to need to come first (inaudible--). Well, Shaun is going to do what Shaun damn well pleases, unless there are some guidelines established (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Hill: It is at seven isn't it? Harms: I am just thinking with the traffic flow, if they go ahead with this one lane — whatever we are going to do with (inaudible--). Thomason: Oh, the split corridor is also in the works. Harms: I saw the proposal with the river down the middle of the street and it looked very modern, so that tells me that some of the (inaudible--) are going to be significantly (inaudible) or done away with — (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Yeah it just strikes me that there is this focus to do this redevelop, but (inaudible--). Harms: (Inaudible--). Hill: I think probably that we have been intentionally left out of the loop so we (inaudible--). Lindgren: Any other items? Berg: Just an update about the Pine Street School House that is on Pine Avenue. That is going to be relocated. The first house next to the Meridian Elementary School in their main driveway. Thomason: Oh, so it is not far. Berg: It is not far; it is just not as visible, but the School District is maybe selling that property where it is now located. Lindgren: (Inaudible--)? Berg: It has kind of been looked at that the School District does own that School House. Lindgren: Well, I mean they are going to move it? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 20 of 21 Berg: Yes. I guess they have some donated things. Lindgren: Where is the (inaudible) property? Berg: It is right next to the entrance of the Meridian Elementary School. There is a row of houses on 1St Street, those three houses; the third house will be demolished and that is where that will be placed. (Inaudible discussion) Berg: But it has been remodeled and used (inaudible--) Lindgren: Do you know when that is going to take place? Berg: I haven't heard a timetable, but if I do I will let you know. Just so if you see something happening there, you know what. (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: I will get a PDF of this with the actual images. (Inaudible--) Harms: But do we have phone numbers and a contact person for me to talk to to schedule those with them or just let them know we are going to be putting this out there? Lindgren: I can contact them, Carol. Harms: Okay, I will let you do that. Lindgren: I would entertain a motion to adjourn. Hammond: So moved. Harms: Second. Lindgren: All those in favor for adjournment say aye. THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:48 P.M. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission April 12, 2007 Page 21 of 21 APPRO W LT LINDGREN - CHAIRMAN DATE APPROVED i ATTEST: --� WfILIAM G. BERG, JR. CIT CLERK