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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2007-01-11City of Meridian Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Meridian City Hall — Mayors Conference Room January 11, 2007 @ 5:30 P.M. Item 1. Roll -call Attendance: X Walter Lindgren — Chair X Frank Thomason X Tom Hammond — Vice Chair O Carol Harms O Steve Turney X staff— Will Berg Item 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Lindgren: Has everybody had a chance to review the agenda? Does anybody have any questions or comments for making modifications? Thomason: Mr. Chair. Lindgren: Yes. Thomason: (Inaudible). Lindgren: This is the agenda. Thomason: Oh, I am sorry. Lindgren: Actually I do have one item. Item number 8, Amber Beierle could not make it tonight. She actually had a personal arrangement that she couldn't get out of and I apologize for that. I will address that in a second on where we are going to go from here. I would entertain a motion to adopt the agenda. Hammond: So moved. Thomason: Second. Lindgren: Any discussion? Call the order. All those in favor say aye. THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. Item 3. Approval of November 16, 2006 Meeting Minutes: Meridian Historic Preservation Commission January 11, 2007 Page 2 of 12 Item 4. Approval of December 14, 2006 Meeting Minutes: Lindgren: Has everyone had a chance to review the minutes? Any questions? Thomason: Mr. Chairman, one question that is of historical significance and that is on the minutes of November 16th, page 7, the last line, it should say be occident — instead of oxidant. Got it? I would like to commend whoever it is taking the time to transcribe this — it must take a lot of time. Lindgren: I will second that. Any other discussion? I would entertain a motion to approve November 16th minutes. Hammond: (Inaudible--) or am I looking at the wrong one? Lindgren: Oh, I believe you did come in on one of these. Hammond: Well, yeah, I think I was here, but late on (inaudible). Lindgren: Actually you are quoted, so that is consistent with your story there, Tom. Well, actually we are doing November 16th. I suppose we could do — well, why don't we do that. Does anybody have any discussion with — why don't we just review both. Has anyone had a chance to review both November 16th and December 14th minutes and is there any discussion and Tom duly noted on December 10 that you were present, however, tardy. Thomason: Mr. Chair I would move that we approve the minutes of both November 16th and December 14th with that one change being noted on page 7 of the November 16th minutes. Lindgren: And for the roll call that Tom Hammond was present. Thomason: Yes, and that too. So moved. Lindgren: Can I get a second on that? Hammond: Second. Lindgren: Any further discussion? Call the question. All those in favor of adopting the minutes for November 16th and December 14th say aye. THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. Item 5. Budget / Finance Report: Meridian Historic Preservation Commission January 11, 2007 Page 3 of 12 Lindgren: Item number five is the budget finance report. We don't have a report. There was no activity I guess last month. Is that correct? Berg: That is correct. I am sorry. I asked the accountant to print one off, but she was busy with some auditing information and training. (Inaudible--) telephone bills that we paid and I know we authorized payment on several things (inaudible--). Lindgren: Yeah and with respect to that I am still trying to get some information — it is just with the holidays — we haven't done anything with those signs yet, but I know we them. We authorized the production of the signs, but it is a matter of getting it onboard and everything for that. (Inaudible--). If nothing else, then let's move to item number six. Item 6. Status of CLG Grant Funding from SHPO: Lindgren: This is in regards to the email and I think you all got copied on the original one, but it sounds to me as if — what I concluded from this email that Congress is a little slow on adopting, actually passing (inaudible) and (inaudible) continue the resolutions. It sounds as if she is still optimistic that it is going to happen, but it is not for sure that we will get the full $3,000. But that is what is copied here is our grant to work for this fiscal year 2007 is $3,000. Did you all get all get (inaudible--) from Ann? You did? Okay. One of the things that I just wanted to clarify with her is her comment on with respect to each CLG you should make plans to spend a minimum of $1,400. 1 didn't quite understand that. I guess that was just that and we will at least get $1,400. 1 asked her if that was the minimum or the maximum and she said no that is the minimum. (Inaudible--). In fact, she was interested in sitting down with me. She is actually traveling here for the next few weeks and she would like to sit down and talk about (inaudible--). Anybody have any questions on this? We will see what happens with that. Item 7. Discussion of Upcoming Projects (website, walking tours, additional signage): Lindgren: I think I will just mention again the signage — I really haven't done anything since the last time we met. I guess the holidays kind of came and went and I am trying to contact, I believe it is Rich Craco — that is the gentleman that lives over on 101 W. Pine the (inaudible) house and so I have got a call into him and trying to see if they are interested in — the last time I talked to him, gosh it must have been about a year ago about a sign (inaudible--). I think that is looking at what they are looking identify. We got the Hill house, the (inaudible--). Have you guys seen the signage? It is real close to Cole, so we should probably take a look at it sometime. Right over by where the antique shop is. Right next to the — have you seen the signs? That is what we are trying to do for at least three more structures that are currently registered homes and get those identified. Anyway, it is right by the coffee shop. (Inaudible--). Anybody else have any other — I know with the holidays, I am Meridian Historic Preservation Commission January 11, 2007 Page 4 of 12 not sure about any other activities — talked about the website, walking tours (inaudible--). Thomason: Mr. Chair for clarification. Are we talking about the web page on the city's website? Lindgren: That is how we left it I believe. It was to be a page — as I recall — Thomason: On the city's site. Lindgren: I don't recall how we got that. I remember Steve Turney being the point person for that, but i don't know. Thomason: Let me ask Will. Would it make sense to have — what is the name of the IT person? Ryan somebody? Berg: Ryan did some volunteer work, if you are talking about that Ryan. Thomason: Well is there a city IT person that could come and tell us what we need to do or — would that make sense? Berg: We have an IT Department, but each individual department takes care of their own information on their website, but I will talk to Steve and — (inaudible) to deal with our agendas and we kind of wanted to make a separate webpage as each department has a webpage on our website. Lindgren: Is there flexibility to design that in how we see fit? Berg: There are some perimeters, but yeah we can do that. Lindgren: You know we talked about having links to the registered structures and that sort of thing — and history (inaudible--). Thomason: We could also have the agendas and meetings and events and whatnot. (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: I think that is part of because of the Commission, but to really more of a fact (inaudible) for an interest type of thing. Berg: Yes, there are more things to the Commission than just minutes and agendas like there is (inaudible--). So I was looking at it as if it was a separate department webpage that would have all these links. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission January 11, 2007 Page 5 of 12 Lindgren: You know maybe we could do like a letter that just says (inaudible--). Will you give this (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: We have that document if you remember it is like what does it mean? What does it not mean? Berg: Do you have that document that I can scan — Lindgren: I can track it down. I have got it somewhere. Berg: We can sure put a button there and have it scanned and have it ready for somebody to look at and download or whatever. Lindgren: I think it is just an interesting bit of information whether you are interested for your own (inaudible) or not. (Inaudible discussion) Berg: I think that is what Steve was going to research was what other places that we could link to with information. Lindgren: Like Ada County Preservation? Berg: Yeah, those are important. Maybe some national information that they can go look (inaudible--). Lindgren: Yeah, what would be neat is — there is not too many of those opportunities for like the grant money that might be available or (inaudible--). There are some programs out there that (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: The walking tour, Tom, I think you were — was that something that you were going to look into or -- ? Hammond: I think I was. I think it was just more discussion about can we do it, can we put it on MP3 format and that sort of thing. (Inaudible--). Ingersoll: Had we talked about maybe jacking up the tours. We talked about that kind of thing — more historical arts stuff — incorporation — Hammond: Well that is where we talked about Lila and some of her storage — Meridian Historic Preservation Commission January 11, 2007 Page 6 of 12 Lindgren: That is what we need to do. We need to do an audio interview with her. (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: I am serious about doing that audio and I know it is part of the Preservation (inaudible--). Thomason: Regardless of what is being copied or (inaudible) Dairy Days (inaudible) video — (Inaudible discussion) Hammond: Will just pointed out that I was the person for that. Now I can't deny it. It is in writing. Lindgren: We can get it right for next month. But, I think with some of these events that are coming up, we don't want to get too far behind. Hill: (Inaudible--) Lindgren: Anything else? Ingersoll: Mr. Chair. Lindgren: Yes. Ingersoll: We have (inaudible) brochure and I am not sure what all we need (inaudible--). Lindgren: We did and I do recall that and it was a matter of getting either existing photos from the survey or new photos and then (inaudible--). I am trying to think — if I remember correctly, I might have been part of that responsibility as well. Anyway, I appreciate that and I think we can table that until next month. Any more discussion on this item? Item 8. Discussion of Meridian Archiving Project (Amber Beierle will be in attendance to discuss archiving tasks, schedule, etc.): Lindgren: Actually on that I spoke with Amber and actually we are going to set some time up — myself, Amber and Lila on Tuesday and just introduce ourselves to each other when Lila is working at the Library or — I think we said 10:30 is what we are shooting for and meet over there and just to get Amber adjusted, I guess, to what is going on over here in Meridian and just have her meet Lila and I forwarded that PDF over to her as well. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission January 11, 2007 Page 7 of 12 (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Well it sounds like she is looking for things to occupy her time. Hill: (Inaudible--). Item 9. Update on Ada County Historic Preservation 2006 Preservation Plan by Lila Hill: Hill: I went to the Ada County Historic Preservation meeting and they were talking about the new preservation plan. Being in the outside (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: That is a completed final copy? Hill: This is their public review draft and we think we will be getting (inaudible--) (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Before you do that Lila, just two little (inaudible). I thought it would be interesting for us that we comment on and it is pretty benign, but the two rezones that are being rezoned from Valley Shepherd Church Nazarene Property that is being rezoned to Old Town zoning, which is fine we are all for that. The other one is a rezone application for the Joint School District No. 2, which is rezoning the whole school property from an R-4 zone to an O -T zone — Berg: Just to clarify Walt, we have been instructed as far as their application process to make sure to transmit these applications that deal with Old Town to the Historic Preservation Commission so they are aware of these projects that are happening. We do like comments, but that doesn't mean that you have comment on some of these projects. But, it is an awareness to make sure that we have a communication back and forth that things are happening and they are okay or that things are happening and they are not okay, but we did communicate that information. So, with some of these projects they come up in a nice timely manner and some of them may come up that we get them at the very next day after the meeting and we don't have enough time. So, there might be some process to make you aware of some things, but also to have somebody on the Commission to at least look at it if there is an urgency to make comments. Lindgren: Are these ever emailed out, Will? Are these electronic or can we scan them? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission January 11, 2007 Page 8 of 12 Berg: These transmittals aren't. We actually send the physical document to the agencies and because we have the mailboxes here at the office we do that and we like to have them fill out that form and send it back. Lindgren: The reason I asked that is if outside of myself or somebody else coming in here five months later or what have you — (inaudible--). Berg: Well, but we could email it. I will make that question (inaudible--). We don't have a lot of Old Town projects downtown happening right now, which we could have, but I could see about maybe emailing them to you and maybe you could in turn say this is important and email to the rest of the Commission. I could make that call. Lindgren: Sure and you know if it something we all feel this way and if it is a fairly straight forward application, I think it at least it shows it is going to the Commission and that we are engaged in the process at the very least. Berg: I think that would be good because a lot of times we send things out and we really don't know if anybody is going to respond. Lindgren: You just go down the list. Anybody have any discussion on that or do you want to entertain a motion to — Thomason: Just a word, briefly Mr. Chairman. The new School District's offices are going to the Jabil building? Well, I am happy to have them and I am glad we are getting them in a timely fashion — Lindgren: But, if I read those right it is just a rezone application, there is not a development project tied to it. Thomason: Well, that was my other question. Are they rezoning the School District site to — is it Old Town? Does that open up a range of uses --? Berg: Allow more so than an R-8 for instance. Thomason: I assume this is to make the property more marketable and part of the infill or I don't know what you call it — (inaudible--) and you may or may not see those buildings stay there? Berg: Correct. It also goes along more with the rezoning of Old Town District that we went ahead and did stretch out to Third Street, Fourth Street. Lindgren: Yeah, so in this case on Pine Street this one is being proposed for a rezone, I guess, which is probably triggered for their change of use from a church to Meridian Historic Preservation Commission January 11, 2007 Page 9 of 12 a professional office. (Inaudible --). I assume there is more, Will, to this application or is the extent of it? Berg: That is the extent of the application itself. Lindgren: So, there must be some application coming down the pipe way, I guess? Berg: Could be, yeah. Or there could be when they rezone it, that there is an okay uses for that zone that they don't require any other application. Lindgren: Their trying to do that where they have that at staff level anyway, right? (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: I would like to entertain a motion to approve the applications for a rezone. The first one being a rezone of a (inaudible) acre site from an R-4 zone to an O -T zone for Joint School District No. 2 located at 911 N. Meridian Road and the second one being an application for a rezone of .43 acres from an R-8 zone to an O -T zone for Valley Shepherd Church of the Nazarene Property. I am entertaining for a motion. Hammond: Well, we are not approving anything. There is no (inaudible--). Lindgren: Well, the motion I would entertain is that we at least okay the application from the Preservation Commission. (Inaudible discussion) Thomason: (Inaudible--) that 15 acre roughly site, may not have any buildings until (inaudible--) by itself may be an historic site and we might want to slip in a little note saying that whoever owns this property should be made aware that (inaudible--) might want to recommend putting a sign (inaudible--) to remind them of the downtown area of that (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Thomason: Right. We could actually have that out there (inaudible--) Lindgren: Not necessarily, although this being just a rezone and a reason that they are a rezone is so that they may sell the property (inaudible--). Maybe this is the only application we will have the opportunity to (inaudible--). Berg: It might be, but any comment that we want to put on there at least goes into the record that we would like to have whatever, whatever. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission January 11, 2007 Page 10 of 12 (Inaudible discussion) Berg: Right. We may not have certain rights to (inaudible--) for comments, but when the comments are made (inaudible) and flag out to the owners that that's what Thomason: We would like to see an historical marker of some type that preserves the education heritage. Lindgren: Your comments (inaudible--) that is at least noted and whether or not it's something (inaudible) honor or not. Thomason: Yeah, just want on the record that we favor this or that. Berg: That can always be a condition of approval of that comment. Thomason: Also, another question. What is going to happen to the (inaudible) school? (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: But is that the Pine Street School? Berg: On Pine Avenue. Lindgren: That is at least the plan today that it is going to be relocated. Thomason: (Inaudible--). So it was moved there to begin with. It's not like it has to stay there. We would like to know where it is being contemplated to go. (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: The comment I am making — HPC is requesting a — how would you want to say that? Thomason: Requesting information about the — Lindgren: -- no I have got that. Thomason: -- oh, some sort of historical marker I think is what it is called. Lindgren: So, we are requesting an historical marker up by ourselves or up by them? I want to make sure I have this right. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission January 11, 2007 Page 11 of 12 Thomason: Just that we would like to see it there, regardless of who does it or — you know it would be an opportunity as part of that. Or, that we would simply like to see that happen. I don't know who (inaudible--) is to do it or who is not to do it —just that we would like to see some sort of a marker there. Perhaps it would be as simple as whoever buys the property and develops it to be made aware of that (inaudible--). I do anticipate that parts of Old Town we will see focus on heritage, especially this close to the Creamery and that would be reflected into the architecture and the building for whatever is designed there, not necessarily just buildings — that ribbon of heritage, I will call it will certainly extend this way into that site. That marker could be a laminated photo like Generations Plaza has — Lindgren: Could call it the education heritage of the site. (Inaudible discussion) Thomason: Mr. Chairman. Lindgren: Yes. (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Will, do we have a motion? Berg: We had a motion and it was there and we haven't had a vote. Lindgren: Can I call the question based on our discussion and the comments that we have — and commenting on these applications — Hammond: I can second (inaudible--) Lindgren: Can I call the question I guess? All those in favor say aye. THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. Lindgren: Anybody else have anything else or any other business we need to discuss? If not, I would go ahead and entertain a motion to adjourn. Hammond: So moved. Thomason: Second. Lindgren: Call the question. All those in favor say aye. THREE AYES. TWO ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission January 11, 2007 Page 12 of 12 (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:22 P.M. AP OVE 7'm f -la wt v►va-r cC- (/}2 c C� a. i - g 1 �3 1 07 DATE APPROVED ATTEST: ti LLIAM G. BERG, JR?-' CI Y CLERK