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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006-09-07Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 1 of 19 City of Meridian Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Key Bank - Conference Room 1650 East Fairview Avenue - Meridian, Idaho 884-3050 September 7, 2006 1. Roll-call Attendance: X Walter Lindgren – Chair X Frank Thomason O Tom Hammond – Vice Chair X Carol Harms X Steve Turney X staff – Will Berg 2. Adoption of Agenda: Lindgren: Has everybody had a chance to review the agenda? Anybody have any comments, questions, additions? Turney: I would make a motion to adopt the agenda as pre sented. Harms: Second. Lindgren: Any discussion? Call the question. All those in favor for the adoption of the agenda say aye. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. 3. Approval of August 3, 2006 Meeting Minutes: Lindgren: Oh, we did get them. Take a quick second, if you don’t mind – (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: I would entertain a motion to approve the August 3, 2006 meeting minutes. Thomason: So moved. Turney: Second. Lindgren: Any discussion or comments? Call the question. All those in favor of approval of the August 3, 2006 meeting minutes say aye. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 2 of 19 FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. 4. Follow Up the Meridian Chamber of Commerce’s Business After Hours on August 17, 2006 at Finer Frames by Tom Hammond: Lindgren: Tom is absent. I guess I can (inaudible). Carol I know you were there and Will was there for a little bit taking photos. It was a good afternoon. It was really nice. I thought the reception was really neat and seemed to be a nice marriage, if you will of events because – I was concerned because I mentioned that to Meg about us overriding and overwhelming her event, which was her Chamber’s After Hours, but I think that (inaudible), but I thought it was laid out very well. Harms: (Inaudible--). Another reason and another purpose and Lila’s comments during that presentation were (inaudible--). Lindgren: I think some of those frames were upwards of about 150 – there were three or four, I think – Harms: The postcard one and – three we gave away -- Lindgren: There were three – yeah, one was an auction and actually I meant to donate it back – I wanted to donate it back so they could bid on it or do something like that, but that didn’t work out. Somebody else took it. Harms: It was a good intention. Lindgren: Yeah it was. I think there were three that they bid on, I thought. Harms: We accomplished (inaudible--) for people who were interested and what would be (inaudible--) and she certainly did a great job. Lindgren: Great. If Tom wants to add anything on that, he should be in – and in terms of thanks to Meg – were we going to get cards together? That’s what we were going to do, okay. Do you want to do that now, do you think or maybe get through the agenda? We want to get those thank yous out to Modern Printers to Meg or Modern Frames. Berg: Modern Printers donated the enlargement of those photos. Lindgren: Very nice. They turned out great. (Inaudible discussion) Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 3 of 19 5. Follow Up on the National Historic Preservation Conference in Baltimore, MD by Walter Lindgren: Lindgren: If you don’t mind, maybe just put this towards the tail end of the agenda because there might be some general discussion as well as – I maybe should have addressed this at the beginning of the agenda, but maybe even budget finance report. Actually we can review the budget finance report at this point, but I think we will come back and revisit it. 6. Budget / Finance Report: Lindgren: Will these invoices, I think there are two invoices – one is for the after hours and then my trip to Baltimore do not obviously show up on the budget here. Berg: Right they were received after August 1st or whenever you turn them in. Lindgren: When is the fiscal year over is it September? Berg: October 1st or excuse me September 30th. Lindgren: So, as you can see we still have plenty of funding available and I think the – we have got an invoice for August for $1,600 for that trip to Baltimore and then another $100 for the business after hours. Do we need to approve these? Pr obably a good time to do that right now? Berg: Yes. Lindgren: Take a look at that. I know there is – the city, Will or Reta has a breakdown of those expenses if anybody has any questions or – (inaudible). Do I need to entertain a motion to approve these – why don’t I entertain a motion to approve the invoice for the Chair’s visit to the Baltimore Preservation Conference. Harms: I move to go ahead and approve the Baltimore Preservation trip. It looks reasonable to me. Thomason: Second. Lindgren: Any discussion? Thomason: (Inaudible--). Berg: It’s not a real big thing. Lindgren: Then maybe (inaudible--). Just one point that may help us gage in terms of setting our budget agenda for any subsequent years to how much a trip like that Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 4 of 19 might run just in general and how we might be able to (inaudible --). I think $1,500 or in that range is worth it. Call the question. All those in favor of the approval of the invoice for the Commissioner’s travel to the Baltimore Preservation Conference say aye. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. Lindgren: And that obviously is to be reviewed by Reta at the city (inaudible). Also we want to go ahead and entertain a motion to approve business after hours for $100 – refresh my memory, Will. The exact expenditure was $100? Berg: That was the invoice to the Meridian Chamber of Commerce to be a sponsor and that is what we agreed upon was for us to pay that sponsor and Meg was working out the other details. Lindgren: Okay, so I would entertain a motion to approve the invoice. Turney: Mr. Chair I would like to make a motion to approve the $100 invoice for the business after hours. Thomason: Second. Lindgren: Any discussion? Harms: The only thing that I would like to add to that is that I believe that we also agreed to (inaudible--) discussion about that – to be separate (inaudible--). Lindgren: Call the question. All those in favor of approving the $100 invoice for the business after hours say aye. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. 7. Update on Emily Peeso’s Contract / Project: Lindgren: I spoke with Emily this past week and she was supposed to be getting use an invoice for this month and I think she is getting very close to wrapping up her stated objective for July and August. So, I think she has a few more things to take care of, but she is getting very close. I suspect – at this point that we don’t have an invoice, do we need to wait to the following month to approve it or could we do that – Will do you have any counseling? Berg: Well normally you don’t approve anything until you see it. Lindgren: Well, I am not suggesting (inaudible) – Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 5 of 19 Berg: Even if we approve it in October, if the work was done in September, it would be in that fiscal year still. I think the idea was to get completed this fiscal year so she needs to finish it up in September. Lindgren: That is correct. Berg: So, maybe I can relay that to her that to get her current bill in and then make sure she gets everything through in September and get into us. Lindgren: Okay. So that is why she is invoiced for $325. If I remember correctly the overall scope was for $2,500 is that correct? Berg: Yes. Lindgren: I am not sure if I have anything to add on that other than just to say she is wrapping up her scoping. Some of the things, just real quickly that I asked her about was a couple of structures that she thought might be of an interest and one was Dick Norris’s house, but I don’t know if it would be – well, my question to Emily was do you think there is any specific structures that you surveyed that might be consideration to get on the national registry and Dick Norris’s house, the one that is catty corner from the Tolleth House – the only problem is that I talked to Dick and he is a great guy – he is the male version of Lila. He just has a knowledge base that just goes on forever and I unfortunately had to cut him short because I was late for an appointment, but I am not sure it is something that would classify only because there is a little bit of a gingerbread that he has added and I think there was like a window or so – I don’t know if that was enough to eliminate him from consideration but – (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Before I spoke with Dick she was the one that pointed out that house and that possibility and she mentioned one or two others and she did get the (inaudible -). I can’t remember if she did that the first time around, but she definitely (inaudible --). Then a couple of other items, I did talk with Steve Malone from the Ada County Preservation and with the Ten Mile over change that is getting a lot more, you know discussion about it and he pointed out to me that there are structures out there. I have yet to get out there, but I can’t remember which side of the highway he is referring to because I am not that familiar with it, but Steve is always good about giving a heads up and saying you may want to take a look at those structures. I mentioned that to Emily. Then it is maybe something that we could have her go out and take a look at and see if it is something that we would want to get in the middle of. I am not sure at this point. Do you know where they are? Thomason: The overpass or the Ten Mile Interchange? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 6 of 19 Lindgren: The Ten Mile Interchange. Berg: The Ten Mile Interchange, right to Overland Road and Ten Mile is a barn that used to be a lab or something in the 1920’s. So, I think we need to investigate that. It’s not in the City of Meridian limits and that is why the county is involved with it, but it is surrounded. Lindgren: Is that an area that would be annexed into the City, but it is not yet? Berg: Not yet, but it would be. Lindgren: I am not sure there is much that we would be able to add anyway. Berg: No, other than our word as where it is or wherever – I don’t know what Ada County is planning, but if pictures need to be taken or anything like that before we should take them now. Lindgren: Well maybe we should follow up with Steve. I know there was a representative from Ada County Historic Preservation at the meetings that they are having with the Ten Mile Interchange and there is some more going on at the end of September. So, that needs to be followed up and make sure they are doing what they need to do and if they need us to help them, I guess with t hat. Like I said, it isn’t really our jurisdiction – Harms: Is it the barn on the left hand side or is it the dairy because the dairy is there too. Berg: I believe it is on the east side of the road and the north side of Overland. Harms: Okay. Berg: But, I am not positive I am just – I haven’t seen any pictures or get an address just what I have heard. Harms: Don’t we also have the old (inaudible --) right down below that in that (inaudible--). I don’t know what the – Berg: Maybe we need to find some more specific locations – Lindgren: Yeah, in fact I mentioned this to Emily – get her out there and maybe just kind of take some photos, but I don’t know if it is something that we would want to entertain. The thing is is it is outside Meridi an’s jurisdiction. Although, some of the barns that – Berg: Ada County did a project on barns. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 7 of 19 Turney: If it wasn’t (inaudible) task to promote (inaudible--) still an awareness that they are there and take photos before they are destroyed. I think th at it would go along with our mission. Harms: It never hurts to coordinate with another agency (inaudible--) and have her maybe go one mile to the north side and one mile to the south side – or a half mile. Lindgren: Can we amend her scope and add that to her scope if that were the case? Harms: Or is it possible that (inaudible--). Berg: A short time is kind of (inaudible) and it will be eventually and you know if you look in our area, I think it is more of an area of community rather than an area o f city limits. Harms: Exactly. Berg: What my concern is what was Ada County doing and what are doing and we don’t want to do the same thing, but we just want to coordinate and make sure that whatever needs to be documented gets documented. Lindgren: I can get back with Steve and just find out how we might be able to work together, but I think it would be just a point of discussion. Berg: And if we need to and I don’t remember if we could just amend her agreement – we tried to do her contract so we could amend it and if we could do that after October 1st for the next fiscal year and then do it and make sure it gets done, but coordinate with Steve and find out what they are doing. Lindgren: In this case, I think amending her contract – it is the same scope it is just adding hours, adding properties. I think where before to address that issue we would (inaudible--) you know went from registering structures to surveying. I don’t know how simple that would be or – Harms: Well, that is what needs to b e amended. I mean it is part of the overall (inaudible--). But when activities or events (inaudible --) – does it need to be amended or do we just say we want this (inaudible --) coordinated site survey with Ada County and then (inaudible--) Lindgren: Yeah it does and to address that the only reason I would amend is because we have specific costs, specific parameter of scopes and that sort of thing. Is that something, Will, we could even off the line have her and (inaudible --)? Do I Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 8 of 19 need to get the groups to buy into that do you think or how do we – some direction here on what we want to do? (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Yeah, it was interesting because he was kind of looking for – I got the feeling that he was kind of looking for us to (inaudible--). Then again, you are right it’s our impact or whatever you want to call it. Berg: If it still within the scope of what it is normally doing, but it is not maybe in the area of focus as far as the location that we still couldn’t (inaudible) her to m ove it over there and do that one also. Lindgren: I am not so concerned about the area of focus; I am more concerned about the dollar amount because we have a (inaudible) amount that is put in that contract just for now and for other contracts in the future. Maybe that is something that we want to talk about at some point is how do we create something, a contract, that – the simplest way to amend something so we can react to something (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Berg: I think we may have to contact both parties. What we are looking at too is a new fiscal year. (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Just as far as consultants go and I you know – maybe part of our discussion later is how we use a consultant whether it be Emily or not, but how we – you know that if we decide that this next year that one of our goals is to get into another structure or looking at nominating another structure, you know how can we create this contract that can be a little flexible and allow us some (inaudible--). Berg: Well, like anything – you know if there is a contract with the city, the City Council will approve those contracts and they are dealing with budget figures of certain amounts, not to exceed certain amounts and that is their control over budgetary responsibility that they have. I know what you are saying flexibility, but I don’t know why contracts couldn’t be in place where we couldn’t amend or add to them or change them or those type of things to make sure fulfill your intent and obligation of the contract. Lindgren: But it would certainly take another City Council approval to do that and it is just that the – (inaudible--) for example if we needed to get Emily out there pretty quickly, well could we do that? Probably not. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 9 of 19 Berg: I mean could we do it under her current contract? We might be able to, but we would have to see what time she has left. I mean that is the other thing. Lindgren: I am assuming that she doesn’t necessarily, so that is why I am saying (inaudible--). Berg: We focus for this direction if you have those many hours, you can do it, but if not then I think we are kind of tied to an extension of a contract or – (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Let’s go to item No. 8. Actually 8 and 9 are kind of the same. 8. Update on Meridian Chamber of Commerce Scarecrow Festival Trolley Tour Proposal by Frank Thomason: 9. Possible Sponsorship for the Meridian Chamber of Commerce Scarecrow Festival Treasure Hunt by Walter Lindgren: Lindgren: As you may recall at our last meeting we talked a little bit about getting involved with the Scarecrow Festival and one of the thoughts was to do a Trolley tour with Lila’s assistance and actually instead of a walking tour we would do a bus tour downtown and it is a little tougher than I thought to get that event incorporated into the Scarecrow Festival. I talked to – right after our meeting, I think, within the next week I spoke with Teri (inaudible--) that plans the Scarecrow Festival, but it was a little challenging to incorporate a new event like that and the way this evolved, Item 8 kind of evolved into Item 9 because as we were trying to create maybe a new event I spoke with Teri Sackman a few times over the last month and what came out of it was is there interest in the Preservation Commission to sponsor the Treasure Hunt and so here is an opportunity where the Preservation’s name would be a part of that and certainly an opportunity according to Teri, I spoke to her again today about it, was an opportunity for the Preservation Commission to actually even – I would say maybe even drive the focus a little bit, even though that is coming up very quickly there is an opportunity that we could put a couple of twists into that (inaudible) addressed to Preservation verses – and it is kind of – it seems like a natural fit because it is a treasure hunt, scavenger hunt that would take a few participants all over the city and to key points of interest within the city. So, we could really turn it into a historic type of player. Here is the issue though w hen we initially talked with her it was ballpark $250 for sponsorship. I talked to her today and for whatever reason it is more like a $1,000. These guys asked me earlier what (inaudible--)? Well, it is really the more than anything just the advertiseme nt. (Inaudible--). So, my question to Will and just looking for counsel there is that something that one – let’s assume for a second that this Commission is willing to do that is it something that is within our realm to do. Is that part of our stated pu rpose? We talked a little bit about that. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 10 of 19 Berg: I attached in your packet the ordinance of what created the Historic Preservation Commission and you can see where education and the ability for this Commission to present to the community the historic, the architecture, the culture of our community and so yeah, you can draw ties with how these things could be part of our goal in the city. The other thing is the cost and weighing the cost of $1,000 to get what you really wanted to get. You know $250 seemed like oh boy that would be easy. I think Frank even mentioned that maybe we need to take some little steps to get up to what we want and involvement in that may be discussed more later about some of our goals. A thousand bucks just seems kind of – one of those things that would stand out there as far as our budget, but you have the control over the portion of your budget, too. (Inaudible discussion) Turney: -- is it in line with our mission? I don’t know. (Inaudible discussion) Berg: When is the Scarecrow Festival? Lindgren: September 28th and 29th. This would be the Saturday, this event. Harms: Well (inaudible) this before that (inaudible--) register and do all these things, but unless we come up with the money and know what we are doing what is the point? This is $1,000 that I (inaudible --) to let people know basically what we have been doing and make it fun. At the same time (inaudible --). But this is a fun way of bringing it out. The thing I would question is I believe there is some man power involved in this, stations. So it would take a planning of (inaudible --) and another meeting, a second one just to plan that event and (inaudible--). Thomason: That is a good point. Did you (inaudible) that with Teri? Do you expect her to set up the treasure hunt? Lindgren: Yeah, I think there is another – she did mention – there is another group but I can’t remember who that is, but that is helping or volunteering for this hunt also. Because it is not as much the leg work I didn’t hear, although I think that would be beneficial to us that we are participating in and around (inaudible --). Thomason: (Inaudible --) Lindgren: So, I don’t know if it is a really time consuming effort necessarily. I don’t think so. I don’t sense that. I know Gwen Alger and (inaudible) will be instrumental in keeping the tallies, although we would be a part of it as well. I am not sure I have Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 11 of 19 never done this so I don’t know exactly how this works. There is some sort of score keeping and – Thomason: Similar to what we have seen in the past – a prize of some kind. They must visit all the stations – Lindgren: Yes, something like that. I think the $1,000 does cover some of those prizes. Again, I am not that familiar with the event, but I think Teri did mention that. She was going to email me last year’s program on that and I (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: I don’t know. Is that close to the ballpark? Have you participated or are you aware of the program? Thomason: All I have seen is over in (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion). Thomason: I don’t see us setting up – I would want to be in the merchants, provide maybe materials about historic preservation and we could certainly do that. But, they have to get with various merchants with the idea being that they do have to go to these places. (Inaudible--) outside the five buildings. Harms: I would like them to stay and make them go there as part of the $1,000. (Inaudible discussion) Thomason: Yes, there we go. Now we are getting there. Turney: That gets them to the one that is registered that they may not be aware of. But, I think there is an opportunity to (inaudible) the budget and we haven’t spent any of that. And it is an opportunity, not only promote what we ar e doing, but also promote what the community is doing. Lindgren: I appreciate your comment. I have a hard time; even with like the trip to Baltimore, for example, I have mixed feelings about trips like that because you know you are spending the money to do certain things. You know when you talk about outreach and you always want to make sure you are a good steward of the public’s money. I often find that the flipside is we can’t spend the money fast enough. Here we are we get $11,000 this past fiscal year. I am assuming we are going to be near that, if not that next year. Not to mention (inaudible) the grant money from (inaudible). We don’t have enough – I struggle with that. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 12 of 19 Turney: Our budget has gone up tremendously and our effort has too. So we are breaking new ground (inaudible--). It takes a while to see the benefit of that. It doesn’t just come right away, especially when you are trying to get public awareness out. You have to be out there hitting very consistently and be out there all t he time to really get through to the subconscious. Harms: The trips too, you have to look at those an opportunity to (inaudible --). If you don’t get input then you all just sit here looking at each other (inaudible). You go out to these meetings and you gain such insight, such great information and such great ideas. Lindgren: I think that is a big part of it, you bet. But, it does tie into what we are wrestling with here is with is the money well spent. Turney: Well there is other – this has been going on for years. There are other corporations that sponsor it; evidently it is beneficial for their business getting their name out. I can’t imagine it wouldn’t be beneficial for ours. Lindgren: Do you know how many folks, Will, participate in that, usually? Berg: No, I don’t. Lindgren: It is not just a handful, right? Do you know? Thomason: The Scarecrow Festival? Lindgren: No, I mean the treasure hunt. Harms: But, even if you had a handful that is six or five more people than yo u had before that are suddenly aware of what we are doing. We are just the best secret in the area and it is time for us not to be so quiet. Lindgren: There is no reason. I mean, you look at this and this makes me nervous that we are not even – I mean the city looks at that don’t they? Like hey guys what are you doing over there? Thomason: Okay, the event is only three weeks away and we are not going to be meeting again. Lindgren: No. Thomason: And with your discussion with Teri Sackman, I mean I am not aware – there is not now a treasure hunt. This is what evolved in your discussion. Lindgren: No, well – there was – I don’t know how – Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 13 of 19 Thomason: Is this something that we can take sponsorship of and just demand that it be modified or do we have to organize the whole thing? Lindgren: Yeah, that is how I understand it because I asked her – I know that is coming up very quickly, but I in a quick discussion with her, I asked that question if we have an opportunity to go up and start (inaudible --) – those are probably – because really those programs probably don’t need to be ready. You could probably go up and make (inaudible) or whatever it is because that information probably just needs to be ready for that event of that day, right? That is a detail that can be worked out pretty close to that event. I think certainly the sponsorship and getting our name on it (inaudible--). Thomason: After hearing all those comments I think maybe we should. When we have (inaudible--) and we can (inaudible) about the specifics – if it is new ground (inaudible). Lindgren: The $1,000 it’s not as if you use it and just let it take on its own life. I think we have to be proactive about it. I know it is short timing, but we still would have to make the best of it, if we do in fact do it. Meaning, there is probably a lot that we can still do to make it really important (inaudible). Thomason: I think you are right. We need to act now. Lindgren: Okay, any comments Will as far as spending that money or any eyebrows or any concerns you think? We just want to make sure that there is not – Harms: Well, when we originally allocated this $4,000 (inaudible) and as I say this, please correct me, but we were going to use this money to set up stations for different community events to kind of showcase what we are doing and one of them was business after hours. So, certainly one of them could be this as it is a community event (inaudible--). Lindgren: And we should be talking about that. Harms: Right so that we are not doing what we are doing today. But, you know these things happen. So, you know if you want to entertain a motion now or more discussion because I would make a motion that we go ahead and sponsor this event. Turney: I will second. Lindgren: Okay any further discussion on it this? Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 14 of 19 Turney: I agree with Carol that (inaudible) that we should follow up on the specifics of what we need to do and make sure that that gets done because it is pretty short notice, but $1,000 is within the budget allowa nce. Lindgren: I would like to also add would somebody mind being the point person to the Chamber and not to say that you will be carrying 100 percent of the load, but I think there needs to be a point person that can help find what preservation (inaudible) and I think we all need to participate as much as we can for whatever it may be, but if somebody could help, I don’t think I could do it, but I would like to see if anybody else would be interested in doing that. Meaning, I think it’s important that somebody is a contact with the Chamber, understanding what it is we are doing and then maybe assigning roles to us because I don’t mind being a foot solider here, I just don’t really want to (inaudible). Anybody? Harms: If no one else wants that lovely o pportunity, I can meet with them and find out what it is and how it is signed up now and then what our role can be and how much we can tweak it if you will tell me which buildings you want. Lindgren: Agreed. I think it has to be all of our involvement. Harms: Okay, I will get the existing particulars and then we will add to it. Lindgren: Thank you Carol. I appreciate it. Any other further discussion? Call the question. (Inaudible--). Thomason: (Inaudible) and while I am at the Fall Festival a nd I will certainly (inaudible--). Really I think it is very appropriate and make a presence (inaudible). It is also important to have fun doing this and if everything doesn’t turn our perfect, well, it is our first adventure and let’s just have fun and we will role with the punches. Harms: Frank, one more piece of information (inaudible) and you know that is more than we had before. You know we have to look at it that way. Turney: And if we can get the kids interested the younger the better. Yo u know as a kid I didn’t care about history and now I am. Lindgren: I think that if we can be creative that money will go a long way for us. Well, let me cut to the chase – call the question – so, all those in favor of sponsoring the Scarecrow Festival for $1,000 say aye. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. 10. Discussion of Involvement in New City Hall Construction Process with Creamery Building Demolition: Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 15 of 19 Lindgren: Will as you know – well you were (inaudible) meeting and I talked to you a little bit about what the goings on of the Creamery Building. What can you share with us? I know you are on the committee and where are we to date? Let me back up. In terms of a program – I know the program had already been completed, but the schematic design and ultimate usage of any existing buildings or just the site as it is. Anything to update us with or any decisions that you can share? Berg: Sure. The building committee that is set up to help make suggestions to the City Council has reviewed several site plans and they have included trying to keep the existing building, the brick building right next to Zam Zows. But, during the irrigation season it has become aware that there is some water that leaks under from the floor up to the floor. It runs through the building. So, there is either a broken irrigation pipe that goes underneath that building – we don’t know for sure what it is. So, that had kind of dampened some feelings about trying to save that building. I don’t believe there is a decision that has been made yet to save it or not to save it. But there are several site plans discussed about one or the other. If the building is decided not to be saved there are just going to be some timbers or trusses or some other things that might try to be saved and used in gazebos or some other kind of area because there is some things outside the City Hall building itself in the plaza area that they want to try to create. That is as far as discussion – like I said, there hasn’t been any final decisions made. One of the goals from this committee is to get a couple of site plans to the City Council and to the public and let them look at it and get some input because as you know sometimes the arrangement of the building leads into the lead program that is trying to make it an energy efficient building and obviously the site is a certain dimension that you can put the biggest part of it on the south exposure and so there is some difficulties with that – (Tape turned over) (Inaudible discussion) Harms: Not a lot, but some people (inaudible). Otherwise you are going to have requests from everybody that thinks there is a little bit of history in the building and we could be spending a lot of (inaudible--) – (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: I wonder if you (inaudible--) – (Inaudible discussion) Turney: (Inaudible--) and maybe (inaudible--) historically significant or extra effort was put into retaining these elements and (inaudible) or whatever as a good (inaudible), right direction and keep up. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 16 of 19 (Inaudible discussion) Harms: Why did we decide not to send that letter out? Lindgren: Well, because I think ultimately what we think we were celebrating they were actually not doing it, not preserving it. I guess what needs to be clarified is that we are not – we are not suggesting that they preserved history in here and maybe that is the point, maybe that is where the twist is. It’s not as if (inaudible --). It is not as we are acknowledging that these were preserved history, it’s that this house or structure or site has some historical significance. Is that wrong or is that right? That is the question. Harms: If it doesn’t have anything to do with preservation is it wrong? Turney: Well, it is a matter of preservation (inaudible --) or acknowledgment of a story that is significant in the history of the city. (Inaudible discussion) Thomason: A good question. (Inaudible --). I don’t see a distinction in the community to preservation in the sense that every building has to be (inaudible --), but I agree with Steve, I think that it could be clearly stated that it has to have historical significance (inaudible) criteria as defined by the HPC and we are very clear in the distinction that we are not talking about (inaudible--) preservation. I think (inaudible--). Turney: We (inaudible--) that this was the first house that was ever built in Meridian. It may not be historically significant, but a landmark of historic awareness it is. Lindgren: What if they re-stucco it – well not re-stucco it, but put stucco over what was the original plat order? You know what I mean? Thomason: Well, it is a perfectly example (inaudible--) so it is not eligible for the register, but it is still an important building, an historic significance. Turney: We are on a thin slippery slope that we need to define and (inaudible--) and we do have to define those things and maybe Emily or Pam or others can help with that because it does have to be something of significance and it should say this is something that the public should be aware of and has to be above and beyond – you know if somebody came in and (inaudible--). Lindgren: Well, you are right and that is the direction we were headed with that one and I think we were – it was brought to our attention, hey guys, make sure you know what you are doing. Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 17 of 19 (Inaudible discussion) Harms: Because I remember, Frank, you and I thought that was a great idea, let’s do that. Lindgren: I think the signage is something that we definitely (inaudible). I spoke with (inaudible--) and I still have gotten a response back from them, but (inaudible --) and they are definitely interested. I think we – I don’t know if I need to make a motion, but could I have Mark gets started on that because we have templates already started? I think (inaudible--). Remember we had made (inaudible--). If I hear back from Mark is that okay if I go ahead – do I need to make a motion? Turney: We have the funds in there, Mr. Chair, that we can draw from. (Inaudible discussion) Thomason: I make a motion that we authorize, Mr. Chairman to (inaudible) the next sign project that is outlined in our original plan (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Does anyone want to second that? Turney: I will second that. Lindgren: Call the question. All those in favor of proceeding with, let’s say at continuing two signage packages, (inaudible--) with everything. All those in favor say aye. FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT. MOTION CARRIED. Lindgren: I think you are right if we could do (inaudible) and get Ma rk moving on it that would be great. 11. Review HPC Fiscal Budget and 2006 Goals to Focus: Lindgren: Okay, number 5, great public awareness and community participation in the preservation process through education program (inaudible--) through the Scarecrow Festival. I am just kidding. Harms: I thought, whoa, how did we get that one? Lindgren: Number 6, meet with other preservation commissions in the county to develop regional preservation agenda and just real quick on this point and going to that (inaudible--) I mentioned Eagle, Boise and I think we at least put a face to a Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 18 of 19 name and I think we did good, especially Boise who has gone through a lot of (inaudible). (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: Number 7; meet with building inspectors to revie w possibility of adoption into the code for historical conservation (inaudible --). Item number 8, have one HPC member attend training each year. Number 9 to have a list all eligible properties in the national register of historic preservations. Thomason: List all properties eligible for or all – Lindgren: It says list all eligible properties in the national register of historic preservation. Turney: From this document (inaudible--). Lindgren: Review possibility of meeting twice a month to promote (inaudible--) in a timely (inaudible) of recommendations, so I think in this case with the Scarecrow Festival (inaudible--). Number 11, work with Planners to locate newly proposed City Hall downtown. (Inaudible--). Number 12 is information on the destruction or potential or already identified historical (inaudible) should be made available (inaudible--). So again, that is just consistent with what we talk about (inaudible --). That is about the extent of it. So, I think in general, the short and l ong term goals it seems like we are on track for those and I think we just have – to be honest with you what I struggle with is our budget appropriate? I wonder sometimes, but we asked for that funding and I want to make sure that we keep on top of that. A lot of the things that we have been doing in the past, which is great – they are mostly inexpensive and if we can get our bang for our buck that is wonderful. We are doing new things. So, I think we may see that it will start to make more sense, but I still think that at this point this year, I am looking at what we spent at this point and what we have available is pretty healthy. Turney: Well, (inaudible) from when I started (inaudible --) a fabulous (inaudible--). (Inaudible discussion) Lindgren: But I appreciate sort of – also looking at it and making sure (inaudible--). Keep in mind, prior to two or three years ago, we had an operating budget of about $2,000. Harms: The only other thing (inaudible) calling a special meeting or a second meeting (inaudible--). Lindgren: No I agree with that. I think it is just giving yourself a (inaudible --). Meridian Historic Preservation Commission September 7, 2006 Page 19 of 19 Harms: Okay, I didn’t want to burden everybody with another meeting. Turney: This is not a burden. It is such a pleasure. Harms: It is, seriously from when you and I started this is great. And, well, Tom, you too. Turney: Tom Hammond visited us about an hour ago. Lindgren: I would entertain a motion to adjourn. Thomason: So moved. Turney: Second. Lindgren: Call the question. All those in favor to adjourn say aye. ALL AYES. MOTION CARRIED. 12. Update on deadline to apply w/ SHPO and Update on CAMP program by NAPC by Walter Lindgren: MEETING ADJOURNED AT 5:05 P.M. APPROVED: _____________________________ _____/_____/_____ WALTER LINDGREN – CHAIRMAN DATE APPROVED ATTEST: _______________________________ WILLIAM G. 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