HomeMy WebLinkAbout2016-10-25Meridian City Council October 25, 2016
A meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:03 p.m., Tuesday,
October 25, 2016, by Mayor Tammy de Weerd.
Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, Joe Borton, Keith Bird, Genesis
Milam, Luke Cavener and Anne Little Roberts.
Members Absent: Ty Palmer.
Others Present: Bill Nary, C.Jay Coles, Jaycee Holman, Caleb Hood, Kyle
Radek, Mike de St. Germain, David Jones, Steve Siddoway Dave Tiede and
Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll-call Attendance:
Roll call.
X_ Anne Little Roberts X _ _Joe Borton
Ty Palmer X_ Keith Bird
X__ Genesis Milam __X__ Lucas Cavener
X Mayor Tammy de Weerd
De Weerd: I will go ahead and open tonight's meeting. I will thank you all for
joining us. For the record it is Tuesday, October 25th. It's a few minutes after
6:00. We will start with roll call attendance, Mr. Clerk.
Item 2: Pledge of Allegiance
De Weerd: Thank you. Item No. 2 is the Pledge of Allegiance. Tonight we will
be led by one of our Boy Scouts, Kayden. Kayden, if you will come up front and
Kayden will be leading us in the pledge. If you will all rise and join us in the
pledge to our flag.
Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
Item 3: Community Invocation by Michael Davey Pearson – Meridian
Seventh Day Adventist Church
De Weerd: Thank you very much, Kayden, for leading us. Item No. 3 is our
community invocation. Tonight we will be led by Pastor Michael Pearson. He is
with Meridian Seventh-day Adventist Church, a great community partner of ours,
located off of Black Cat. Thank you for joining us. If you will all join us in the
invitation or take this as an opportunity for a moment of reflection.
Pearson: Thank you. Father in Heaven, this evening we want to thank you for
Mayor Tammy de Weerd and the City Council Members here and absent,
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support staff and all those present for the amazing value that each one brings to
this community. And, Father, as a Meridian Community we recognize your name
and your authority. We ask for your guidance this evening that all matters
discussed and decided on will be to the vindication of your character, in Jesus'
name, amen.
Item 4: Adoption of the Agenda
De Weerd: Item No. 4 is adoption of the agenda.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Item 5-M on the Consent Agenda has been asked to be removed and it will
be known as 6-M. And Item 7-B, the applicant is not available for tonight, but
would like us to go forward if we don't feel we need him to speak to us and in that
same deal Item C, the applicant is requesting to withdraw the item and with that I
move we approve the amended agenda.
Milam: Second.
Cavener: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve the agenda as read. All
those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Item 5: Consent Agenda
A. Approve Minutes of October 11, 2016 City Council
Regular Workshop Meeting
B. Approve Minutes of October 18, 2016 City Council
Special Pre-Council Meeting
C. Approved Minutes of October 18, 2016 City Council
Regular Meeting
D. Final Plat Approval for Paisley Meadows (H-2016-0117)
Located at 2180 E Amity Road by Hayden Homes, LLC
E. Approval of Award of Bid and Agreement to SUNSHINE
LANDSCAPE for the “TEN MILE INTERCHANGE MEDIAN
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SOUTH - LANDSCAPING” project for a Not-To-Exceed
amount of $70,562.00.
F. Approval of Contract Amendment No. 1 to extend the
contract for “Sodium Hypochlorite” to Oxarc, Inc. in the
Not-To-Exceed amount of $90,000.00.
G. Approval of Contract Amendment to extend the contract
for “Bulk Ferric Chloride” to BHS Specialty Chemical
Products, Inc. in the Not-To-Exceed amount of
100,000.00.
H. Approval of Agreement to Mercer Health for "Benefits
Brokerage and Consulting Services" for a Not-to-Exceed
amount of $50,000
I. Service Agreement with St. Luke's Regional Medical
Center, Ltd. for Wellness Services
J. Services Agreement with Idaho Chapter of the American
Foundation for Suicide Prevention
K. First Amendment to Commercial Real Estate PSA for
Well #9 Lot Expansion
L. Approval of Task Order 10625.a to Hydrologic Inc., for
the “Well 15 Reconstruction Design” for a Not-To-
Exceed Amount of $51,000.00
De Weerd: Item 5 is our Consent Agenda.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird:
Bird: On the Consent Agenda, as stated earlier, 5 -M will be moved to 6-M and
with that I move we approve the amended Consent Agenda and for the Mayor to
sign and the Clerk to attest.
Cavener: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda as
stated. Any discussion from Council? Mr. Clerk, will you call roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Borton, absent; Milam, yea; Cavener, yea; Palmer, absent;
Little Roberts, yea.
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De Weerd: All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Item 6: Items Moved From the Consent Agenda
M. Approval of Award of Request for Proposal and
Agreement to Valcom Salt Lake City, LC for the “City of
Meridian City Council Chambers Technology
Replacement” Project for a Not-To-Exceed Amount of
299,632.93
De Weerd: Item 6-M was moved from the Consent Agenda and I know that
Council wanted some additional information and Dave Tiede is to address
Council.
Tiede: Good evening, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Happy to be
here again before you. There were some questions about this award for the
Council chambers technology refresh, but I wanted to start a little bit at the
beginning and discuss the RFP briefly. So, as mentioned before, we sought the
approval for spending monies earlier this year. We asked for spending authority
for the full 428,000 dollars, but we had a projected cost of 300,000 dollars for this
project. That's where we left off at. You should have before you a document that
gives the scoring criteria that was used . It's a little bit brief, but it covers the four
responders that responded to this proposal and the scoring that was given to
them based off of the eight members of our project team that helped score that
RFP. So, if you have any questions let me know, but those are the four that
responded. The questions that were brought up -- or brought to my attention
thus far were brought by Council Member Cavener and that was in regards to the
conference room A and B that are mentioned in the proposal, the green room,
Community Development conference room that seats 12 and the lobby. So, to
give you some background, we are replacing the main AV components that are
in the closet that control everything in this room. There are a couple other rooms
that those same components also serve that is this conference room, which is
one that I forgot to mention just now, because that's on there as well. That one.
The community development conference room across the hall and down a ways,
12, and then -- I think that's it. So, those two rooms were included in it, because
if we rip out the guts of this system those rooms cease to function. Their AV
systems don't work period. There is no hardware that we can bring to make
them functional, because the hardware is outdated and it's not sold any longer.
So, we felt it was important to maintain the functionality that in the conference
room for the Council as far as the TV, the projector to be able to see
presentations and the same thing goes for the Community Development
conference room. So, we included those just so that we don't lose that level of
service that we have in those currently. For conference rooms A and B we felt --
or we heard from many of the people that we discussed the chambers with and
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we heard that many people felt it would be valuable to have conference room A
and B available as overflow for larger meeting events , so that people had a place
to sit. When this room gets filled up people tend to congregate in the lobby.
Well, if we could have them congregate in A and B as well to have a place to sit,
be comfortable, for those larger meetings that are more publicly, you know,
attended. So, that's why that was included for conference room A and B. If we
don't include it, then, it, obviously, makes it really hard for us to get the audio and
video over there. So, people won't be able to do that. And, then, that lobby itself
was included, because, obviously, we have audio feeds out there right now. We
have to make sure that that -- we maintain that. And, then, the TV in the lobby
also is used for agendas and things like that, so we need to make sure that that's
addressed and the TV is going out, so -- the TV ended up needing to be replaced
as part of that. As far as the green room goes, that was included because that is
where we have the streaming equipment. There is no other equipment, other
than a new streaming device and a new Mac that will be used for video editing .
So, with that I would stand for questions and if you'd like more information on the
proposal I'm happy to go over it in more detail, but also want to be respectful of
your time.
De Weerd: Thank you, Dave. Council, questions?
Cavener: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Maybe it's a question for Dave or Jaycee or C.Jay about how often
conference room A and B are used as -- as overflow for council meetings. Does
that happen -- I can think of a couple of occasions, but I don't want to paint with
broad brush strokes based on what I'm able to recall.
Coles: Madam Mayor, Councilman Cavener, since I have been the clerk in the
two short months I have been here we haven't used that as overflow, so I will
defer to Jaycee.
Holman: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Cavener, I
would say maybe three to four times a year we have had big enough stuff in
there that IT comes down and actually tunes in that TV so that the audio is -- or
the video and audio are in there. That's probably about -- I would say maybe
three, possibly four times a year if that.
De Weerd: Well -- and that's for the overflow, but there is a lot of meetings that
use the technology in that room that because of the capabilities over there it's
been a staff time issue.
Tiede: And, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Cavener,
one thing I neglected to mention that I also wanted to mention here conference
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room A and B right now are stand-alone, they don't integrate with this system, but
the system that is over there is having functionality problems. When we have to
troubleshoot it's a matter of power cycling the device and hoping it comes back
up. There are issues in there. So, while that's not part of this project, addressing
those issues they kind of go hand-in-hand and they would be addressed as part
of that, so --
De Weerd: Thank you.
Cavener: Madam Mayor, follow up then. Dave, maybe, then, just for my clarity,
what rooms are tied to the system that we currently have and that are required to
stay connected to this new system, I guess to the point of -- if a conference room
in Community Development is tied to this system and that's created some
unneeded cost burdens, does it make sense to have that be its own independent
AV setup, as opposed to being tied to this system for future problems?
Tiede: Absolutely. And as part of this we actually are putting it on its own
standalone system for that conference room. The other rooms that tie in are the
Council conference room here and, then, obviously, the green room for just the
streaming side of it. But Community Development 12 is the only one off that kind
of is like, well, that doesn't really make sense, why is it in there in the first place.
But we are separating it out, so that we don't have that problem in the future.
Now, if we bring Community Development -- or conference A and B in, then, we
would, obviously, be bringing that into the system and that could potentially bring
up this type of issue again, but the design of the system and the -- I guess -- I'm
trying to think of the word. It's a flexibility in the hardware, means that if we lose
a central component here, they are still able to run.
De Weerd: Dave, I thought that conference room A and B were tied into the
Council chambers for the overflow.
Tiede: The TV is and it's that small TV that's in there, but not the rest of the
projectors or the sound system. So, when they listen it's actually over the TV
speakers and that's probably the reason why we thought it would be beneficial to
have it on the projector, over the speaker, rather than a little TV that everyone
hopes they can see from anywhere in the room, so --
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Dave, they are taking out all these nice TVs and stuff. What happens to
them?
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Tiede: Per our disposal -- I think the disposal policy that we have the option of
including in a contract that they take them and do with them what they will for
disposal and that's what we included in this agreement , so --
Bird: They take them, no credit back to us?
Tiede: They included a credit line -- a discount.
Bird: A line item?
Tiede: It's not a line item on here however, so --
Cavener: Madam Mayor, maybe a comment if I may. The reason why I asked
first to pull this off is that, again, to my recollection that I couldn't find a copy of
the minutes that when this project was brought to Council's attention it was to
upgrade the infrastructure of this particular room to be able to aid the public in
attending our meetings and in going through the bid project in my opinion it had
expanded far greatly than what we had discussed as a Council and I had asked it
to be removed solely so this body could have the opportunity to discuss and if the
expansion of this project is -- is what the Council believes is necessary and
warranted, then, staff can go forth, but I felt it was important that we at least
acknowledge the great expansion of the scope of this project from what was
initially presented to us -- rightfully so based on the requirements of the project,
but I think it's important for us to know. Personally, I struggle that we are giving
away perfectly good screens that we could utilize in our other departments. I
can't think of a budget that has went on that I haven't seen a request for a
television or a projector of some kind for some department. I think that we can
be frugal and utilize existing functional technology and, then, quite frankly, I
struggle with the fact that we are ripping out one system that has the potential to
serve current needs to replace it with a brand new system that -- with a promise it
is going to meet all of our future needs. I would imagine that when this body
agreed on the current system that we have it was with the promises that it would
meet our current and future needs and it's fallen woefully short. So, the only
reason to bring this up was so that you as a Council can have the opportunity to
weigh in if you think this is the right direction or if the scope of the project needs
to be scaled back.
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Ms. Milam.
Milam: My microphone wasn't on. No wonder you couldn't hear me. Now I'm
trying to remember my question. So, I guess one thing that just came up is we --
so we currently have the equipment for the planning department, but it's in here
and since we are taking it apart, but could we not move that equipment, so that it
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would still have the functionality for that conference room or does that have to be
replaced?
Tiede: Council Member Milam, we could potentially move them in there. The
space would be an issue and, then, the fact that the hardware is already starting
to fail and is not supportable would probably cause us to just be in the same boat
in, you know, a quicker time than what we would hope for. But that's not to say
that's not a possibility. We would have to find space first of all because there is a
lot more equipment in that room -- or in that rack right now than what they need,
so -- but it's, unfortunately, all part of the same system, so we can't just
piecemeal it together.
Milam: Madam Mayor? We have a line item for 18,000 dollars for travel. Can
you elaborate on that, please?
Tiede: I can. If I can get my device to respond. Hold on a minute. I don't have it
in front of me, but I'm trying to get it up. They didn't quantify it, but on the original
proposal it actually has more than just the travel and additional ly -- or whatever,
so I will see if I can get that up.
Milam: I guess just to elaborate on my question, we were -- I think what you --
last week or whenever we discussed this recently, we were using a local
company, so --
De Weerd: No, the question was the need to travel to Salt Lake City to see --
Tiede: Right.
De Weerd: -- the equipment and make sure that the functionality works as
envisioned and as decided before they moved it up here, if there were any
needed changes, that they could do it while it was still there.
Tiede: Right. And like I mentioned in our e-mail, they do have a local office,
absolutely, but they are not a local company. I thought I mentioned that at
Council meeting last week, but I apologize if I didn't.
Milam: You did mention Salt Lake. That's what that 18,000 is?
Tiede: Yeah. And it does not cover just travel. They just -- it's not itemized on
here. There was a slight error in how it is displayed on the contract.
De Weerd: So, maybe, Jaycee, you can -- can cover -- I think when this was first
originally discussed it was about Council chambers. It expanded when there was
a desire to have a more interactive opportunity with workshops, like the budget
workshop, that included this, that, then, affected the streaming and the camera
angles there was a desire to stream town halls that made it a portable need and I
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think that after I take out the original permission from Council to look at this, they
went and talked with all the different entities on what the needs for this room and
any associated rooms would be. They came and reported back -- and
sometimes I think I get my one-on-ones or -- or my director meetings mixed up
with the Council meetings, but I believe that we have touched base with Council
at least once or twice after that before we even moved forward with the RFP. So,
can you give a little overview if I'm --
Tiede: I can speak to it. We did come here in -- trying to think -- April and
discussed it a couple times, but we were -- we did have the intention of keeping it
on a little bit high level and not going into all the details, just because that could
take hours. We had all that information when we came to Council and discussed
the budget request, but it seemed like that would make sense, if we had to touch
those other rooms, to keep that functionality, then, we would do that. Now, what
were additions were, hey, look, if we wanted to expand better capabilities in
conference room A and B as far as having it available for overflow, the streaming
those things are things that we discussed in one-on- meetings. And, then, I did
find the answer to your question, Council Member Milam. On the actual proposal
they have travel, additional cabling and hardware and miscellaneous labor in
there. So, it doesn't mean it's all travel, but they didn't also give us an itemized
thing saying this is travel expenses or not. But they are out of Salt Lake, so we
expect there to be some travel expenses and we also anticipate doing this entire
room in one week. So, they are going to be bringing more than one person up
here for this installation. So, I expect there is going to be some --
De Weerd: So, that travel is not only their travel to bring the equipment up, it was
the travel for the team to go down there? Is that -- no?
Tiede: We did not anticipate that in that. We figured we would take a couple city
vehicles down for a day, so --
Watts: And, Madam Mayor and Council Members, I would like to add -- in this --
this is a line item breakdown, essentially, of the contract. The contract is a not to
exceed fixed lump sum. So, they could put three dollars in there for travel or
3,000 or 30,000, we don't care. We are looking at the bottom line to get the job
done. So, it is a lump sum not to exceed contract. So, it's sort of a moot point as
far as you -- you know, it's a tool to use for negotiating, but that line item really
isn't a telltale sign. It's really the bottom line and that's how we evaluated cost
was bottom line. If you look on the evaluations, cost has a point system. We
actually used a mathematical formula, so it wasn't just pulled out of the air, so the
points assigned to cost was a formula that was utilized. They were much lower
than the number two bidder by almost 100,000 dollars, I believe, but just to let
you know, it's not like we are buying airline tickets for them. They have lumped it
in with three other -- three other miscellaneous items and it's really the bottom
line dollar amount that matters.
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Milam: Thank you.
Bird: Keith, then, the 299,000, was that the original RFP bid that each got up
here?
Watts: It is. Correct, sir.
Bird: Okay. So -- and that's where they were quite a bit lower than the second
one?
Watts: Oh. Okay. Excuse me, sir. Dave just reminded me. It was 272
originally.
Bird: Okay. That's --
Watts: The negotiated --
Bird: -- that's where they were quite a bit lower than everybody else?
Watts: Correct.
Tiede: They still are.
Bird: And, then, everybody else had the chance to come back and add to their
other or we just worked this other out with them?
Watts: Correct. By statue that is the -- the way you have to evaluate it with an
RFP, you evaluate them and you start with number one and that by law is the
only way we can do that. We go with number one, you try to negotiate a contract
with them. So, the scope and the -- the final scope and the final payment is a
negotiated sum. You're not allowed to go to the others and say, listen --
Bird: I don't disagree with that, but in the same token you all of a sudden --
you're -- you're 100,000 did you say underneath the next bidder?
Watts: Correct, sir.
Bird: And all of a sudden you're up -- you're up there.
Watts: I didn't get that, sir. Sorry.
Bird: Well, when you start throwing these extras at it they didn't have to bid
against anybody; right?
Watts: No. It's an RFP. Correct.
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Bird: Yeah. They -- so, they can make up for that 100,000 they left on the table
before.
Watts: I will let Dave answer that.
Tiede: We did as part of this in IT -- we actually plugged the numbers back into
the scoring sheet and they still came out with number one with the 299,000,
so --
Bird: Yeah, but went from 299,000 to 400 -- almost 400,000.
Watts: To the next low bidder. Not these folks. These folks were 279. It did go
up about 20,000 dollars total with the additional negotiated scope of work.
Nary: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Nary.
Nary: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Council Member Cavener asked
a question about the -- the equipment as part of the transaction. So, we
discussed this both with legal and with purchasing. It is in your policy -- your
purchasing policy on disposal that you can include it. The best thing I can liken it
to is when you -- when you trade in a vehicle. You take a vehicle and you don't
get the value of the vehicle, you take the vehicle to the dealer and say if we give
you this vehicle how much will you sell me this other vehicle for and that's part of
the transaction and that's why it's on your policy that way. So, I don't know if
there was a discussion about repurposing them, but from both a legal standpoint
and policy, it's -- it's perfectly acceptable, because if you look at it the other way,
if you can't repurpose these screens it's very expensive to dispose of these types
of equipment. You can only take it to the dump. You can't -- you can't -- may be
can or can't sell through auction, which can -- it can be a very clunky process as
well. So, looking at the alternative rather than of getting rid of equipment, this
seemed the most logical from -- from both the legal and policy standpoint, so --
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: I don't look at this equipment it as junk that would be hard to get rid of . I
think of this as equipment that could be -- either be sold or donated or -- I have a
really hard time with this part of this as well and -- and, yes, when you buy a car
you're looking at the difference is what matters, but I still want to know what the
sale price is and what they are giving me for my trade in and, then, I can make
an informed decision whether or not I want to trade that car in or keep it and sell
it to my neighbor for more and so I would like that to be a line item. So, I do have
a really hard time with that.
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Watts: Madam Mayor, Council Woman Milam, typically on any type of an item
we don't just get to go sell it to our neighbor. We have to send it to auction and
you literally get pennies on the dollar at auction and electronic equipment is even
worse. So, if we send it to auction I'm sure we would get next to nothing for it
and some of it we would actually have to pay to get rid of . The items that are
failing we would have to pay to take them to the dump and get rid of them. I can
in the future we can ask for a line item that says the trade -in value of that piece
of equipment and we will take that note and make sure we do that in the future.
We did not do that with this one, we just made sure it was clear to all -- all
proposers that this equipment would be given -- and that's a typical question
when we are getting rid of some -- anything, even like at wastewater sometimes
or water, we are getting rid of some pipe or something or pieces of equipment,
they ask you want to keep it, do you want us to take it away and typically we put
that in the bid that they are to take it away, because it's more costly for us to get
rid of.
Tiede: Council Member Milam, just to highlight Keith's point on the auction
process, we regularly will take some of the IT equipment that we dispose of to
auction. Usually it's higher end equipment, so servers and the like, and we range
in the ten dollars to a hundred per piece of 10,000 dollar equipment, so --
Bird: You got zero on this.
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: Well -- and that's why I'm guessing a line item would be important,
because are they charging us extra to take it from us? I mean that's something
we don't know, too. There might be -- this bid might be higher because of the
trade-in equipment if they don't see it as valuable and so also repurposing it , I
mean those -- you know. So, a lot of this stuff could be repurposed within the
city. But I won't dwell on it any longer I guess. For me as a business person, the
way my mind works, I have a hard time with that, so --
De Weerd: And it sounds like this has been the practice and --
Bird: Yes.
De Weerd: Everyone responded to the bid with that practice in mind and
certainly purchasing just heard the direction to -- to see if there is value or if they
are charging us more for the disposal of the assets as well. So, we can definitely
do that. Any other questions from Council? Okay. Thank you, Keith. Thank
you, Dave.
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Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move that we approve the proposal and agreement with Valcom Salt Lake
City, LC, for the City of Meridian City Council Chambers Technology
Replacement Project not to exceed $299,632.93.
Little Roberts: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Mr. Clerk, will you
call roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener, nay; Palmer, absent;
Little Roberts, yea.
De Weerd: The ayes have it. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE NAY. ONE ABSENT.
Item 7: Action Items
A. Public Hearing for SECOND READING: Ordinance No.
16-1709: AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 4,
CHAPTER 1, SECTION 8.B (1), MERIDIAN CITY CODE,
COLLECTION OF SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLABLE
MATERIALS TO CHANGE THE COLLECTION AT
COMMERCIAL PREMISES TO COMMENCE AT FOUR
O’CLOCK (4:00) A.M.; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
De Weerd: Item 7-A is public hearing, second reading on Ordinance 16-1709.
This is a public hearing. I will ask Mr. Clerk to, please, read this by title.
Coles: Thank you, Madam Mayor. City of Meridian Ordinance No. 16-1709, an
ordinance amending Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8-B1, Meridian City Code.
Collection of solid waste and recyclable materials to change the collection at
commercial premises to commence at 4:00 o'clock a.m. and providing an
effective date.
De Weerd: Okay. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to provide
testimony on this item? Okay. Council?
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
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Bird: We -- I move that we move this to the third reading on November 2nd -- or
1st --
Milam: Second.
Bird: -- 2016.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: Okay. No. This is odd. Do we want a motion to -- for the third
reading?
Nary: You don't need one.
Bird: You don't need one, you just go forward.
Nary: Just go forward.
De Weerd: Okay. So, this item will be placed on November 1st for the third and
final reading of Ordinance 16-1709.
Bird: And the public hearing will be closed at that time.
De Weerd: Yes. And the public hearing will continue until that third reading.
B. Public Hearing Continued from August 23, 2016 for
Browning Plaza (H2016-0008) by SLN / Boise-Waltman,
LLC Located 505, 521, 615 and 675 Waltman Lane
1. Request: Two (2) Year Time Extension on the
Preliminary Plat to Obtain the City Engineer's
Signature on a Final Plat
De Weerd: Okay. Item 7-B, the applicant is not here available tonight. If Council
needs to have any questions answered we can look at it at that time . I will turn
this over to Caleb.
Hood: Yeah. Madam Mayor, we do have an e-mail from the applicant agreeing
to the staff report and the conditions that are included therein , but like has been
stated, they aren't here tonight. This was continued from your August 23rd
meeting. They were trying to work with ACHD and a potential buyer on some
changes to some of the original terms of the development agreement , but it's my
understanding that that buyer is no longer on the scene . They would like to keep
their preliminary plat, which is Item 8-B alive, but have requested withdrawal of
Item 8-C, which is the development agreement and had some of the terms in that
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is what they were trying to negotiate or get some clarification from ACHD and
MDC. But, again, they do -- they would like to keep their 2008 preliminary plat
alive that has 40 building lots, two common lots. This is the fourth time
extension. Again, it was approved in 2008 originally. It's on 38 acres of land. If
you're not comfortable approving or have questions for the applicant, they
request the November 22nd meeting. But, again, they are in agreeance with the
with the staff report and with that I would stand for any questions on Item 8-B --
or, excuse me, 7-B.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Caleb, you're -- the staff is comfortable if we pass it now? I don't want to
take it on --
Hood: Absolutely.
Bird: -- if the rest of the Council feels comfortable with it. I do.
De Weerd: Is there anyone who would like to provide testimony on this item ?
Okay.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we close the public hearing on H-2016-0008.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on 7 -B. All
those in favor say aye.
MOTION CARRIED: ALL AYES.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we approve H-2016-0008 and include staff comments and returned
e-mail from applicant.
Milam: Second.
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De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 7-B. Mr. Clerk, will
you call roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener, yea; Palmer, absent;
Little Roberts, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
C. Public Hearing Continued from June 28, 2016 August 23,
2016 for Waltman Property (aka Browning Plaza) (H-
2016-0038) by SLN Planning/Boise Waltman, LLC
Located 505, 521, 615, and 675 Waltman Lane
Application
1. Request: Modification to the Development
Agreement to Remove the Requirement (#5.1.8) for
Corporate Drive to be Extended North of the Site from
the Ten Mile Creek South to Waltman Lane
De Weerd: Item 7-C was requested to be withdrawn. It is a public hearing. I
would need a motion from Council to entertain that request.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move that we withdraw H-2016-0038 and also close the public hearing
and withdraw the application.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: Okay. I have a motion and second to close the public hearing and
accept the applicant's request to withdraw this item. Any discussion from
Council? Mr. Clerk, will you call roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener, yea; Palmer, absent;
Little Roberts, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
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D. Public Hearing for TM Crossing (H-2016-0116) by
Brighton Investments, LLC, et al., Located Northeast
Corner of S. Ten Mile Road and I-84
1. Request: Two (2) Year Time Extension on the
Preliminary Plat in Order to Obtain the City Engineers
Signature on the Final Plat for Phase I
De Weerd: 7-D is a public hearing on H-2016-0116. I will open the public
hearing with staff comments.
Hood: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. This, too, is a
preliminary plat time extension request. The site is -- consists of 75 acres of land
zoned C-G and it's located at the northeast corner of I -84 and Ten Mile Roads.
The preliminary plat for this project was approved by the City Council in 2012 and
contains 50 commercial lots and four common lots. The applicant is requesting a
two year time extension, although the applicant is here and probably doesn't
anticipate or hope that it takes near that long to actually obtain signatures. They
are in the process right now of obtaining signatures on the final plat , but came up
a little bit short on that. The applicant is in agreement with the staff report, but,
again, is in the audience if you have any questions or if they want to present
anything to you. So, with that, that is staff's report.
De Weerd: Thank you, Caleb. Does the applicant have any comment? This is a
public hearing. Is there anyone who would like to make comment? I guess
Kayden is not interested in making comment on this application , right, Kayden?
Okay. Council, any questions for staff or the applicant?
Cavener: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Caleb, this is the second time extension request?
Hood: Correct.
Cavener: Okay. Thanks.
Wardle: Madam Mayor, Mike Wardle, Brighton Corporation. 12601 West
Explorer Drive. While this is the second request, we already had received seven
weeks ago the first phase final plat approval from the Council. We have a
building under construction. Obviously, we will be moving forward. We just did
not have time within this period to secure the signatures and get that plat
recorded. So, thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. Thank you. Anything further from Council?
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Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we close the public hearing on H-2016-0116.
Milam: Second.
Cavener: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearing on Item 7 -
D. All those in favor say aye. All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we approve H-2016-0116, the time extension for Brighton
Investments, LLC, and to include staff and applicant comments.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve H-2016-0116. Any
discussion from Council? Mr. Clerk, will you, please, call roll.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener, yea; Palmer, absent;
Little Roberts, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 8: Department Reports
A. Public Works: Update on Meridian’s Petition to the Idaho
Department of Water Resources to establish an Area of
Drilling Concern for Source Water Protection
De Weerd: Item 8-A is a report from Public Works. We will start I guess
introducing Kyle with our congratulations.
Radek: Madam Mayor, Council Members, I'd like to provide some feedback from
Public Works on the Department of Water Resources decision regarding our
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petition for designated area of drilling concern. I have come before Council
several times to update our efforts on this front and seek guidance, but I'd like to
just give you a quick review for about two minutes and, then, tell you what -- what
happened and kind of the -- our feedback on it. This effort was born out of our
realization sometime around 2009 -- so, it's been a while that we have been
working on this -- that the number one threat to our quality of our source water is
the destruction and improper abandonment of private wells unsealed in the area
contributing to our source water. Our objective in this effort was to address this
threat by putting a mechanism in place to ensure that wells in a designated area
were properly sealed to ensure the natural protective layers, like clay that
separate water of different qualities, are kept intact. The establishment of an
area of drilling concern was just one tactic that we decided was our best tactic to
use, so -- to be administered by IDWR. Another tactic that we considered for
quite some time was to create our own well drilling ordinance , which we, in my
opinion, rightly decided, after consultation with Council, that that was probably
not a good idea, it wasn't the way to go. IDWR has decided to employ yet
another tactic, which is simply to enforce higher administrative standards in light
of the scientific data that we provided in our report and our petition. So, I was
going to summarize what they -- what they decided, but I included in your
packets their -- their order on this -- this subject. I don't know that all of you had
time to read it. It was 12 pages, but if you skip to page 11, then, you get to the
actual decision they made. So, I'd like to, if I could, just read the two paragraphs
that are the most important in the whole -- the whole letter, which are, first, that
Meridian's petition for the designation of the west area -- Ada area of drilling
concern is denied. Formal designation of the West Ada Area of Drilling Concern
is premature. Additional data and evaluation of hydrogeologic conditions in the
area surrounding the proposed West Ada Area of Drilling Concern is necessary
to establish boundaries of a designated ADC. So, the first paragraph -- wow, that
doesn't make you feel very good. But you keep reading. The second paragraph
makes you feel a little better. Consistent with the department's duty to protect
public health and prevent waste or contamination of ground or surface water ,
effective November 1st, 2016, the department shall implement the following
procedures and standards for well construction permits within the proposed West
Ada Area of Drilling Concern boundary, excluding the West Boise Area of Drilling
Concern as shown in Attachment A. So, essentially, they are denying the area of
drilling concern, but within the area that you asked for an area of drilling concern,
we are going to implement higher administrative standards, among them a lot of
the things you asked for. So, it's really a good thing. And just as a synopsis of
the things that they have committed to doing within the -- the area, which is the
same area that we asked for an area of drilling concern, they are going to
eliminate start cards for new domestic wells. Start cards were a way that a driller
could just put something in the mail and get started working and the trouble with
that is by the time the department knew that a well was being drilled it was
already done. So, they had no opportunity to see what the driller intended to do
and no opportunity to go inspect it and new wells shall require permits to be
submitted to show how the wall is to be built. So, with the elimination of start
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cards, the result is that you have to submit a permit application , just like you
would before you build a building, so the Department of Water Resources knows
what's intended to be built, where, and how deep, what the construction methods
are going to be, how the well is going to be sealed. The next thing is that
domestic well should be limited to 200 feet in depth, unless adequate water is not
available. So, that was a compromise of what we asked for. In our opinion the
kind of standards we -- we are asking for should be implemented at all levels and
all layers and everywhere. This was pretty unpalatable to a significant group of
people, so I think it's -- it's a compromise that we feel good about, because our
city wells are for the most part not drilled into the shallow area. The other thing
that the Department of Water Resources recognized is that below 200 feet that's
where you start encountering most of your uranium issues and so it's better to
keep those domestic wells out of there, because the -- one of our number one
concerns, kind of outside of our city water, is that a lot of domestic well owners
don't know that they are accessing water of a quality that they wouldn't want if
they -- if they knew what it was. So, this -- this measure tends to keep those
domestic well owners out of that. Wells drilled deeper than 200 feet shall have a
full length seal of pumped grout, which is a fundamental issue that we asked for.
Our specific request was that wells needed to be drilled using mud rotary
techniques, which was -- we feel is the best way to put a full depth seal with grout
in. It's certainly not the only way, but with the permitting requirement the drilling
contractors are going to have to submit to the Department of Water Resources
how they intend to put a full depth seal in place on that well. The department has
required plastic or stainless steel well screens for all walls and the screen interval
shall be limited to 20 feet and that will result in the -- controlling the commingling
or connecting aquifers of different chemistry through the wall screens. And, then,
abandonment of wells will be something that will have to be permitted and when
wells are abandoned it's not good enough to just look at the well and pour a
bunch of chips down it. You need to make sure that your abandonment
techniques include a way in your construction to seal outside of the casing if
you're going to -- if you're intending to leave an old case in place. So, usually,
what we do is -- with our well abandonments is we perforate the old casing and,
then, we pump grout in and so it gets -- gets out into that annular space and seal
it up. So, that's another requirement. Those are the main requirements that the
Department of Water Resource is going to -- going to put in place. And in
summary we are very encouraged by IDWR's action on this effort and their
commitment to protect public health and water resources of the state , not only by
enforcing higher administrative standards, but by continuing to seek additional
data to further the cause. We have been very pleased with the cooperative and
professional approach of the IDWR and their staff and we look forward to
continuing our cooperative -- cooperative relationship as their administrative
efforts are deployed and -- and they seek to get more data to perhaps someday
establishing an area of drilling concern that is, in fact, bigger than what we asked
for. So, with that I will stand for any questions or comments.
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De Weerd: Thank you, Kyle. And I think that the Department of Water
Resources did find a compromise that respected the information that the city was
able to prove through quite extensive studies and balancing that with the
concerns of the well drillers. I think they did find a compromise. It does work for
the area that you identified and I think there was acknowledgement that, indeed,
there needs to be a regional study of our watershed and how some of the studies
that you were able to -- to prove impacts the rest of the valley's water. So, I think
it's a positive outcome and, like I said, as I introduced you congratulations. I
think you and your team put a lot of time and effort in protecting the resources
that I think sometimes we take for granted and we appreciate your work.
Radek: Thank you, Madam Mayor.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions? Comments?
Cavener: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Kyle, when the city launched in this endeavor there was some notable
and vocal opponents and people that raised some concerns about the area of
drilling concern. What has their response been since Department of Water
Resources findings and this compromise as -- we view it as a compromise. Do
some of those people that were viewed as opponents to our proposal, do they
view it as a compromise as well?
Radek: Councilman Cavener -- Madam Mayor, Councilman Cavener, I have to
apologize, I have no feedback from the people that did not want the area of
drilling concern to be established. The -- certainly the -- the organized -- I
wouldn't necessarily call them an opponent, but the Idaho Groundwater
Association voiced an opinion that was opposed to establishing the area of
drilling concern. However, they agree with the science that was behind the area
of drilling concern and they just felt like it could be administered without the
actual establishment. I think to some degree there was some concern just with
the moniker of area of drilling concern. Some people feel like it's -- the intent of it
is -- is to delineate an area where there has been an industrial chemical spill and
certainly it's been used for that in the past. We felt like it was an appropriate
method of protecting a place that hasn't had a chemical spill yet or has natural
contaminants. But -- and I did the see Lynn Tominaga of the Idaho Groundwater
Association recently and -- and I didn't get -- you know, I didn't get much
feedback. So, I think -- I think for the most part the -- the reasonable opponents
are probably happy with that decision, but that's probably conjecture on my part.
De Weerd: Well -- and I think it is conjecture to a certain degree, but when we
held a meeting with some of the elected officials with the Department of Water
Resources and our staff and consultants, the conversation was a concern that
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this might supersede the legislative process and there was some concern of
using the area of drilling concern by the Department of Water Resources to --
that overstepped lines of authority. But I think the overarching comments that I
heard during that was not a question of the science that was used , but that if
there was demonstrated concern for the water viability, depending on how deep
you drilled your well, that it should be looked at as a region, not as just this -- this
area in particular and so there was acknowledgement in the finding that there is
enough concern that these different drilling techniques were -- are going to be
required and now it's going to be our job to put into place that -- that we can
monitor that those steps are, indeed, being administered and have you talked to
the team on how we are going to work with Department of Water Resources?
Radek: Madam Mayor, thanks for that question. Good point. And we have
actually been doing what we need to continue to do to monitor the department's
effectiveness in administering and implementing their -- their decision here. We
have really been doing that already in the absence of an area of drilling concern
our decision the last -- last two or three years since we decided we had to do
this, we have been on our own monitoring water rights applications and when a
water rights application comes in in our area of impact we intercept it
administratively, we look at the department's advertisement of that and, then, we
will discuss it with the -- the owner of that application and it's resulted in a lot of
successful negotiations to have them drill their wells in the way we -- we have
requested them drilled. So, we have access to the information that -- that there
is a water right applied for. There is a well drillers -- an application and we will be
able to see that and we will be able to see what the department has done with
that application and we certainly through this effort we have established some
relationships with the Department of Water Resources staff that are going to
administer also. So, it should be -- it should be better -- much better than just
finding out after the fact if they did what they said they were going to do . We are
going to be in contact with them on a regular basis.
Cavener: That's great.
De Weerd: Thank you. Anything further from Council?
Radek: Thank you.
De Weerd: And, again, congratulations to the entire team. To Ed. To Charlie.
B. Approval of Collective Labor Agreement between the
City of Meridian and Meridian Firefighters I.A.F.F. Local
4627
De Weerd: Okay. Item 8-B is under our Legal Department.
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Nary: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. I'm pleased to have
on the agenda tonight is a ratified agreement with the Meridian Firefighters Union
Local 4627. We have been in negotiations since May, a number of sessions, to
reach this final conclusion. We made them an offer that is encompassed in the
agreement that we have previously discussed. I would like to thank the team --
the city's team for the time and effort. There was a lot of work put in by Deputy
Chief Jones, by Council Member Borton, Crystal Ritchie our HR manager and
Todd Lavoie, our CFO. In addition Christena Barney, our benefits -- benefits
generalist provided a great deal of information in reaching this conclusion. What
you have -- the contract that was approved last night has some cosmetic
changes to some of the language that we previously discussed . The primary
changes are the compensation amounts for the next two years for the union .
There is a three percent increase for this fiscal year beginning in the next pay
period and also a one percent in 2017, beginning October of 2017. Additionally,
the union will move to a separate medical plan beginning in January of 2018 with
the Northwest Firefighter Trust. That was an issue of great concern to the
firefighters. It had some different things that we don't have the ability to offer in
the same fashion for all the general employees. It's very firefighter focused. It's
with a trust that only -- only represents firefighters and so after looking at both the
benefit plan, as well as the cost of offering that benefit, it felt that was a
reasonable way that we could make that -- allow that to occur. And, then, finally,
they will stay in our -- the city's plan for the next year with the same benefit
package that the city has, including the wellness component that we have. They
have also agreed to remain in the wellness plan when they move to the
Northwest Firefighter Trust, that they still have that wellness incentive to
participate in that for some of the discounts or incentives that we provide for that
and the differential is the cost of the -- the dependent -- dependent premium cost
and so that was the only differential between those two . So, primarily, again, I
think the biggest thing is that the firefighters, when I spoke with their lead
negotiator Christian Forbey, they were very appreciative -- I thought they might
be here tonight, but that's fine. They were very appreciative of the city's
consideration -- Council's consideration of allowing that Northwest Firefighter
Trust plan. That really was a key component to them . It is something we have
discussed for a number of years and this is something we could make fit at this
particular time. So, if the Council is of a mindset to approve it, we would
appreciate that approval tonight and, then, we can move it forward and finalize all
of that with Finance and everything, so the next paycheck everything gets
corrected and put into place.
De Weerd: Thank you, Bill. Any comments?
Cavener: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Cavener.
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Cavener: I would like to reiterate what Bill said. I was able to attend a few of
these meetings as a member of the viewing public and to echo Bill's points,
thanks to -- to Bill Nary and Crystal and Christena Barney and Todd and Joe
Borton, Councilman Borton as our Council liaison. I felt that they --
De Weerd: And Joe.
Cavener: Uh? Yes. Thank you, Chief Jones. Sorry I didn't see there. You
know, really taking into account that these are our employees and wanting to
work to come to an agreement that's best for the city and best for our employees.
So, thanks to everyone and their due diligence on this issue . It's appreciated.
De Weerd: Thank you. And thanks for the negotiating team and Council
Member Borton for representing the elected officials and certainly, Mr. Nary, your
as the lead negotiator, I think you showed patience and appreciated you
working through the issues as they were brought forward.
Nary: Ninety-nine percent of the time, ma'am.
De Weerd: As best you could --
Nary: The patience part.
De Weerd: Oh. Okay. Council, in front of you is the agreement. It does need a
motion to ratify.
Borton: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Borton.
Borton: I would move that we approve the collective labor agreement between
the City of Meridian and Meridian Firefighters Local 4627.
Cavener: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8 -B. Any discussion?
Okay. Mr. Clerk.
Roll Call: Bird, yea; Borton, yea; Milam, yea; Cavener, yea; Palmer, absent;
Little Roberts, yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 9: Future Meeting Topics
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De Weerd: Item 9. Are there any items for future agendas? Council, I do have
some upcoming events. Just a reminder that tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m.
your leadership team is cooking up some pancakes and sausage and something
else and we would love to have you come and cook beside us. It is a United
Way breakfast to -- as a fun way to raise money for United Way campaign to
reach our goal. So, please, join us anytime between 7:00 and 9:00 and we will
throw a napkin -- or a napkin on you -- an apron and hope to see you there.
Town hall meeting tomorrow night at 6:30 at Compass Charter School on Cherry
Lane near Ten Mile. Trunk or Treat is Thursday. It is a real treat seeing all the
kids in their Halloween outfits going trunk to trunk and I think we have over 90
trunks and we will have a couple of food trucks as well, so dinner is not just
candy. And we appreciate Steve and -- and his staff and the Mayor's Youth
Advisory Council for putting this on. It looks like it's going to be another great
success. And, then, on Saturday is the anti-drug coalition's reality party and they
are going to have four different showings. So, if you would like to come and
check them out, it's on the hour starting at 1:00 o'clock. There is also a 2:00,
3:00 and a 4:00 o'clock showing. They are about 20 minutes and it's at the
Forward Movement Training Center that you take the tour from there and you're
kind of on the catwalk looking down and seeing the reality parties. It is for
parents put on -- some of the actors are MYAC members and other teenagers
lending their talents. So, just one other thing is I will be conducting the Parks
Commission interviews this week and hope to bring back recommendations to
Council on your November 1st meeting. Also we do have an opening on our
Planning and Zoning Commission. So, if you have anyone who might have an
interest, please, help let people know that this opening is available. We are also
trying to fill a Solid Waste Advisory Council Commission seat and HPC, so --
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: On Saturday is also the Hallow-pooch parade costume contest at Storey
Park.
De Weerd: Yes. For all the four-legged furry friends. Dress them warmly and it
will be a howling good time. If there is nothing further I would entertain a motion
to adjourn.
Bird: So moved.
Cavener: Second.
De Weerd: All those in favor say aye. All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
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