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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2004 04-27 Pre, CITY OF MERIDIAN PRE -COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 6:30 p.m. City Council Chambers Roll -call Attendance: X Shaun Wardle X Bill Nary X Charlie Rountree X Keith Bird X Mayor Tammy de Weerd 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Approve 3. Quarterly Finance Report by Reta Cunningham: Presented (* 10 minutes) 4. Discussion Regarding Development in the McDermott Trunk Area by Dave McKinnon with Pinnacle Engineer: Discussed (* 20 minutes) *Approximate allowable time set for agenda item may change depending on discussion. Please use the designated minutes as a guideline only. Meridian City Pre -Council Agenda —April 27, 2004 Page 1 of 1 All materials presented at public meetings shall become property of the City of Meridian. Anyone desiring accommodation for disabilities related to documents and/or hearings please contact the City Clerk's Office at 8884433 at least 48 hours prior to the public meeting. Meridian City Pre -Council Meetina April 27.2004 The Meridian City Pre -Council meeting was called to order at 6:30 P.M. on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 by Mayor Tammy de Weerd. Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, Bill Nary, Keith Bird, Shaun Wardle and Charlie Rountree. Staff Present: Gary Smith, Bill Nichols, Anna Powell, Brad Watson, Bill Musser, Kenny Bowers, Reta Cunningham and Will Berg. Others Present: Dave McKinnon Item 1. Roll -call Attendance: X Bill Nary X Keith Bird X Shaun Wardle X Charlie Rountree X Mayor Tammy de Weerd Item 2. Adoption of the Agenda: Bird: Mr. President. Nary: Mr. Bird. Bird: I move we adopt the agenda as published. Rountree: Second Nary: It's been moved and seconded to adopt the agenda as published. All those in favor say aye. ALL AYES. MOTION CARRIED. Item 3. Quarterly Finance Report by Reta Cunningham: Cunningham: Madame Mayor and Councilmen. I am standing in for Stacy. She sent you your 50 -page finance report, so I am here just in case you have any questions. Nary: Council, are there questions? We did get a finance report. It is on our packet on the disk and it is pretty lengthy. We are getting close to the — I guess thinking about budget time, Council. I don't know if you had questions regarding that or about the quarterly finance report. We had asked for a live report each quarter, rather than monthly and so that's why Ms. Cunningham is here, so is there any questions? Meridian City Pre -Council Meeting April 27, 2004 Page 2 of 9 Bird: Mr. President. Nary: Mr. Bird Bird: It was quite detailed, but it was very clear, Reta and I appreciate that. Cunningham: Yeah, her memo was detailed. Bird: Yeah, a dumb guy like me can read it, so it's pretty good. But, I truly enjoyed it and I think that on a quarterly basis is working out a lot better than (inaudible) monthly. It was very, very good. The City is doing well. Cunningham: Yeah, it actually did look good. What about on the amendment items? Did you guys have questions about those? De Weerd: Mr. President. Nary: Madame Mayor De Weerd: I guess at some point, Reta, I would like to see the Finance Department come back with a policy for (inaudible). We talked about it in incentives portion and you know, it continues to have questions that are brought up and so it just looks like we need to come out with a clear policy. I know most of the money is under miscellaneous at this point and there has been discussion at the director's meeting. So, Stacy can start working on something that she can bring back to Council on that. Cunningham: From what I understand, too, that would be for fiscal '05, is that right? De Weerd: It would, but I think it would also apply for this budget year as far as what they have under their miscellaneous and as it's been a continued concern even during the budget workshops from last summer. It was anticipated that maybe some of that would come forth during the recommendations on compensation recognition and incentives and since that portion of it materialize I do think we need to firm up a policy on it. Cunningham: Okay, all right. I will relay that to her De Weerd: Okay. Cunningham: Anything else? Nary: Anything else, Council? Meridian City Pre -Council Meeting April 27, 2004 Page 3 of 9 Bird: I have none. Nary: I would concur with Councilman Bird as well. I do think it was a very well done report and I think the quarterly process that we have implemented is very helpful and the monthly reports are nice and then having the quarterly one is just great. Cunningham: Okay. Yeah, she does a good job. Thank you. Bird: Thank you, Reta. De Weerd: Reta, I would be happy to sit down with you guys and at least set it out. Item 4. Discussion Regarding Development in the McDermott Trunk Area by Dave McKinnon with Pinnacle Engineers: Nary: I think that's it. No, I am just kidding. The next item is the McDermott Trunk Area. McKinnon: Thank you Councilman Nary, members of the Council, Mayor De Weerd. Meridian is growing fast. You know that. I have experienced that just along with you guys and in the past I have lived out in west Meridian, just on the far west edge of Meridian and what I wanted to talk to you about tonight is the very far edge of Meridian and what will be Meridian. There is basically only two trunk lines that are left in the City of Meridian to plan for. We are working really fast and quick right now on the Black Cat Trunk and after the Black Cat Trunk there is just going to be two more. It will be the north Black Cat Trunk service area and it is going to be the McDermott Trunk service area. I will go ahead and move over so you can see this map. North Black Cat Trunk service area and the McDermott Trunk service area are both going to be serviced by large lift stations. It's not a gravity fed system it is going to be running back to some lift stations and north Black Cat service areas — just basically this area — compass is just over one square mile. The McDermott area, however, is a lot larger; it goes all the way over to McDermott Road on Chinden Boulevard, all the way down to Overland Road. That whole area is basically a mile wide and would be serviced by the McDermott Trunk area. It's the last large Trunk area with one large lift station located on a piece of property over off of McDermott Road, near the northwest corner of what will be Meridian in the future. I know from past experience in dealing with Tuscany, Bridgetower and all the north Meridian area, the City Council has been really cognizant of how Meridian grows and wanting to make sure that it grows in an orderly manner. I know that every time we have opened up a new trunk service area, like when we opened up the White Trunk area that was just the mass growth in that area and we saw that happen and it still happening. North Trunk is about finished right now and constructed (inaudible) and you have seen the major growth of Lochsa and Paramount and Meridian City Pre -Council Meeting April 27, 2004 Page 4 of 9 most recently Saguaro, all the way over to Vienna. So, there has been some major growth in all those areas. Down to the south we have seen it with Tuscany. I know that the first time Tuscany was heard it was decided at that time Meridian didn't want to grow that far south. Then the second time it came back, it was determined that it would be okay to move that far to the south. There were a lot of other things that went into that discussion besides the water and sewer service. It also had to deal with the Police Service and for Fire Service in those areas. At this point, I have a client who has a piece of property that is right where the McDermott lift station would be and I have talked with other developers in the development community that are working frantically trying to do something in this western area, not necessarily to stave off Nampa, but because there is a demand for the housing out in the west end of Meridian; especially with anticipation of the Ten Mile Interchange coming in. So, I wanted to just talk with you a little bit tonight. I talked with Brad Watson and Bruce Freckleton a little bit. After talking with both of them in just a short pre -app meeting they said that the best thing we could do is sit down and talk to you guys and find out what your feelings are about moving further to west with Meridian at this time as we are working on the Black Cat Trunk, whether that is something you would feel something that the City of Meridian could handle. I am just asking for your opinion on that at this time. I know that, in my experience in living out in Turnberry the original plan was to go further west and at that time Turnberry was denied to go further to the west because there was not the sewer service in that area, plus it was not in need or a desire for the City to expand that far west. So, I just asked for your opinion of that. This would be a trunk that would be built at this time by a developer. It's nothing that would be a city born cost. It would be the — every time somebody connects to that, there would be a payback for that just like we do with other large sewer main extensions and so I just thought if you guys had some opinion tonight and if we could talk about that that would be great. We are really talking about the western edge of Meridian and the farthest edge of growth that the City is going to see at this time. Nary: Council, Mayor any input? De Weerd: Do you want me to comment? Nary: Mr. Rountree. McKinnon: Yeah, comments would be great. Rountree: Where are you talking about the development? McKinnon: Where am I talking about the development? Rountree: Yes. Meridian City Pre -Council Meeting April 27, 2004 Page 5 of 9 McKinnon: This area right here, just to the northwest of the furthest northwest corner of Meridian. This is the subdivision that's being built out on the northwest corner of Black Cat and Ustick right now. It's currently being built. There is a grade school there. This would be northwest of that, coming off of Black Cat extending all the way to McDermott. De Weerd: Mr. President. Nary: Madame Mayor. De Weerd: I guess just like the conversation we had a little earlier this is something that needs to be discussed as we look at the whole area and how we service the areas that we don't have trunk lines similar to our conversation about the extension of the Black Cat and if we can grow and absolutely every single area of our City we are going to have considerable development going in on the Ustick, Eagle Road area. We have certainly development far exceeding any expectations going on in North Meridian. Our permits just really breaking records it seems like every single month. We have a lot of area that is not developed and when you open up a new trunk line, certainly you are going to see the activity like we did on the White Trunk. I think that we need to look at our whole City comprehensively and not just one piece to see how we can best grow and how we want to grow and we will accommodate that growth, not just with sewer but with water, with Police, with Fire and all those other demands. So, there is my two -cent's worth. McKinnon: Thank you, Mayor. Nary: Mr. Rountree. Rountree: I will add to the concerns — we're about a mile or two from any potential transportation corridor to provide north -south volumes of traffic movement. McDermott is about our last (inaudible) to hope and I think not only fire and water and all the other city services to we have to look at, we're going to have to look out for those kinds of things for ACHD as well. I would like to see us have the long-range transportation plan in effect. I would like to see the growth management and transportation plan activity that ACHD is sponsoring and we probably will hear more about from the Mayor here before long — in place before we commit some of our last potential opportunities to accommodate some of those things in the future. If we could get those in place in the next year to 18 months then possibly — it's our last movement and growth in terms of the City as well in that direction. I also think we need to have some coordinated activity with Canyon County and the City of Nampa as to what that conjoined area is going to be. Nary: Madame Mayor. Meridian City Pre -Council Meeting April 27, 2004 Page 6 of 9 De Weerd: Mr. President. I appreciate those comments, Councilman Rountree, we are — COMPASS will be looking at a contract for long-term planning for our transportation system and with the anticipated extension Highway 16, we are not quite sure where that best can be accommodated and how that will impact that particular area for development. I mean, certainly we are going to develop there but we do want to know what the transportation on Black Cat or in that vicinity is going to be as far as a State Highway, a connection from the State Highway 16 and that sort of thing. Also, in anticipation with a Ten Mile Interchange, we need to be able to accommodate the traffic that it would generate and how do we move it? I totally am in agreement with Councilman Rountree on that — that we are positioning ourselves for some good long-term planning, so we can better answer a lot of these questions and I am very encouraged with the coordinated commitment from all the cities and county here in Ada County to start moving forward to look at how we connect; how we can provide transportation links, how we can services that our citizens need to maintain a quality of life and those things are all committed within the same timeframe as that long-term transportation planning. So, it would all come together, maybe not as quickly as some people would like to see, but I think 18 months is a very quick timeframe to make a lot of these determinations that are being discussed and we should all be encouraged by that. Nary: I would agree with everything that's been said, Dave. I think you have identified where the next area is going to develop. Obviously, there are a lot of players and pieces that come into place and you know that. So, I guess if you were looking for us to not say "no, never", I don't think we would say that. I don't want to drive Mr. Smith into retirement or anything by another trunk line, or Mr. Watson to retirement with him, but — De Weerd: Yeah, we like our staff. Nary: -- but, I recognize that, I mean, I certainly don't think anybody up here would be a fool to say that isn't an area that we would certainly be looking at, but there are a lot of pieces and Councilman Rountree has identified one of the more significant pieces when you drive around this town. I wouldn't want to live in that part of Meridian and try to get on the freeway at Meridian Road. It would take me all day just to get there. That's just not going to work. So, some of those other pieces, you know, are going to have to happen on that connectivity that, again you are well aware of, but I don't think anybody up here is going to tell you that that isn't an area we would like to happen, but it is a timing issue that it's going to depend on a lot of other factors that we can push and ask and encourage, but we can't control all of that, so. McKinnon: I was just looking at Shaun to see if he had anything to add De Weerd: He'll think of something. Meridian City Pre -Council Meeting April 27, 2004 Page 7 of 9 Nary: Mr. Wardle. Wardle: Mr. President, just a short comment. I agree with a lot of the comments up here. One of the things that I think is very key in Meridian is transportation and in my mind the growth in Meridian is happening very quickly, bringing us economic growth and all of the things that come with that, but for this piece we have an opportunity to look at how to best serve our entire community in conjunction with the entities that the Mayor has mentioned. You know, the Transportation Department, ACHD, all of those pieces have to be put into place and there is real opportunity. I think when that happens, another trunk line through there to bring in growth and economic development will be viable. I can be honest and say I don't what that point is. There are some pieces that need to fit in there, but as far as the viability of development there in the future, certainly, and as we have seen in the north Meridian area, probably sooner than later. McKinnon: I can appreciate all your honesty. We are just — we don't want to waste your time — I don't want to waste my client's time and money. I wanted to get an idea just how far out we were. I don't want to bring a project to you that isn't going to work with City plans. I appreciate your candor tonight with me. We will explore some of the issues you have got. We will watch closely what happens with COMPASS and try and participate with that when and why we have the opportunity and anytime there is a need for that, for someone to be on a board, let me know so we can make sure that the development community is on board with that too. De Weerd: Mr. President. Nary: Madame Mayor. De Weerd: I guess I will take one more opportunity to get on my soapbox about the Ten Mile Interchange. We will need everyone's participation in making that a priority. There will be public hearings this summer to comment on the transportation improvement plan and also the state transportation plan — what does this stip stand for? Rountree: Improvement program. De Weerd: The state improvement program. We need as many people commenting about the priority of that Ten Mile Interchange and so that will help with some of the commitments for these areas to break open is by having that access and being able to move traffic. So, certainly as we look to accommodate and service that area, certainly we will look to those same people to help us in getting those transportation improvements done. McKinnon: Well, thank you for your time and good luck with the pledge tonight. Meridian City Pre -Council Meeting April 27, 2004 Page 8 of 9 Nary: Thank you, Council is there any other business? De Weerd: Mr. President. Nary: Madame Mayor. De Weerd: I guess I did ask about a couple of things in regards to the (inaudible) opening. We also have an activity on Thursday the 29th from 11:00 a.m. to 12:30 a.m. It's May in Motion. It's setting off a month of exploring transportation alternatives. I cannot attend. If anyone has an interest, certainly, I would appreciate representation from the City and I think all of you got a copy of this. Rountree: We did and an invite. De Weerd: I also have here we are showing logos again. This will be on your shirts and I just wanted to pass that along so you can see it. Rountree: That size or smaller? De Weerd: It will be that size. Also, we talked last week about Tom Hudson coming back and us doing a public meeting along with him. He cannot be here on the 18th; the 19th or 20th works for him, or he can come back again the following week on that Tuesday night if that works better. So, we are just trying to get a date set so we can start informing the public and setting the plans that we need to do to get it all going. Bird: Mr. President. Nary: Mr. Bird. Bird: I move we adjourn the pre -Council meeting. De Weerd: Do I have a date? Rountree: We need a date? Bird: Oh, I am sorry. You need a date? I thought you had to give us one. De Weerd: No, well, I can tell you when you have to be there or you could participate in that decision. Bird: Just set a date. De Weerd: Oh, okay. Thank you. Nary: Is there a motion to adjourn? Meridian City Pre -Council Meeting April 27, 2004 Page 9 of 9 Wardle: Second. Nary: A motion and a second to adjourn. All those in favor, say aye. ALL AYES. MOTION CARRIED. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:56 P.M. (TAPE ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS) FTMO0:07140 ATTESTED: WILLIAM G. BERG, 5 /25/0,+ DATE APPROVED 0`0 Orr AL A., CITY CL K `.yp ""flits 111100A%NN�