HomeMy WebLinkAbout2015-09-22Meridian City Council September 22, 2015
A meeting of the Meridian City Council was called to order at 6:02 p.m., Tuesday,
September 22, 2015, by Mayor Tammy de Weerd.
Members Present: Mayor Tammy de Weerd, Charlie Rountree, Keith Bird, David
Zaremba, Genesis Milam and Luke Cavener.
Members Absent: Joe Borton.
Others Present: Ted Baird, Jaycee Holman, Bruce Chatterton, Bruce Freckleton, Sonya
Watters, Josh Beach, Warren Stewart, Jamie Leslie, David Jones, and Dean Willis.
Item 1: Roll-call Attendance:
Roll call.
X _ David Zaremba _ _ Joe Borton
___ Charlie Rountree X_ Keith Bird
__X__ Genesis Milam __X__ Lucas Cavener
_X Mayor Tammy de Weerd
De Weerd: Thank you for joining here at the City Council. We always appreciate having
visitors and students join us for City Council meeting. So, thank you for being here. For
the record it is Tuesday, September 22nd. It's a few minutes after 6:00. We will start with
roll call attendance, Madam Clerk.
Item 2: Pledge of Allegiance Lead by Boy Scouts Hernan and Bruno Guitierrez
De Weerd: Item No. 2 is our pledge and tonight we are going to be led by two different
scout troops. First we have Hernan and Bruno Gutierrez that -- they are with Troop 94
from St. Mark's and we also have Troop 173 that are sponsored by the Greenhill Ward.
They are going to be leading us in the pledge? If you will all come forward, I will ask all of
you to rise and join us in the pledge to our flag.
(Pledge of Allegiance recited.)
De Weerd: If I could ask you five to come forward I'd love to give you a City of Meridian
pin for leading us in the Pledge.
Item 3: Community Invocation by Pastor Gene Hill with Parkview Christian
De Weerd: Item No. 3 is our community invocation. Tonight we will be by Pastor Gene
Hill. Pastor Hill is with the Parkview Christian Church. If you will all join us in the
community invocation or take this as an opportunity for a moment of silence. Thank you,
Pastor Hill, for being here.
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Hill: Thank you, Madam Mayor. Let us pray. Loving God, we do thank you for this
wonderful city that we live in and we pray your blessing to be upon us as we continue to
live our lives. Be with this Council and with our Mayor tonight as they proceed in the
issues and challenges before the City of Meridian. We thank you for their leadership and
all that they do for all of the citizens of this great community. And so we pray now for your
will to be done in hearts and lives as we focus upon you and as we look to the business of
this very special time. And so we lift this prayer now in thy name, amen.
De Weerd: Pastor Hill, I would like to offer you a City of Meridian pin -- oh, you wore it.
Hill: I wore it.
De Weerd: Thank you. It looks good on you. We appreciate you being here.
Item 4: Adoption of the Agenda
De Weerd: Item No. 4 is adoption of the agenda.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Item 6-A needs to be amended to read: Final Order TEC 15-004, striking the
words Finding of Fact, Conclusions of Law. Item 10-A the ordinance number is 15-1660
and Item 10-B the ordinance number is 15-1661. And with those amendments, Madam
Mayor, I move that we approve the agenda.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve the agenda as amended. All those
in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 5: Proclamation for Global Pulmonary Fibrosis Awareness Month
De Weerd: Item 5 is a proclamation. I will go down to the podium. I will be presenting
this proclamation afterwards and we will see if you have a few words to share as well.
Okay? You don't have to. Whereas, pulmonary fibrosis is a serious disorder that
progressively attacks the delicate lung tissue, causing it to become scarred, which greatly
affects the quality of life for all those who are diagnosed and whereas about 200,000
people in the U.S. are estimated to be affected by the disease and every individual
diagnosed has a unique experience, making it difficult for healthcare providers to offer a
standardized course of treatment and whereas there being no cure, the disease is often
fatal within three to five years of diagnosis, but the good news is that there are treatments
designed to specifically manage the symptoms of the disease and researchers are
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studying new ways to stop its progression and whereas the Pulmonary Fibrosis
Foundation, established in 2000, is a nonprofit organization with the global mission to
spread awareness and find a cure through involved patient advocacy and support
services, thoughtful education and press initiative and steadfast research and funding
opportunities alongside active participation in legislative efforts and whereas the Idaho
Pulmonary Fibrosis support group has made it their goal to let the residents of Meridian,
Idaho, and the world know that September is Pulmonary -- or Global Pulmonary Fibrosis
Awareness Month. So, it is my honor to hereby proclaim September 2015 as Global
Pulmonary Fibrosis Awareness Month in the City of Meridian and I call upon all of our
citizens and members to become informed and involved in the fight to eradicate this
serious disease. I would like to turn over the mike here and ask that you say a few words.
Gilmore: I will make it short.
De Weerd: Okay.
Gilmore: I just wanted to say that we are -- we have a pulmonary fibrosis support group
here in Meridian. It is one of only two in the whole state of Idaho. There has been an
ongoing one for a few years in Idaho Falls and it was three and a half years ago that this
group was formed. This is a very serious disease, as this proclamation mentions, and
there are more people who are afflicted with it than we realize. Some of their symptoms
start usually with a shortness of breath and maybe a persistent cough, with a loss of
weight, tired, et cetera. I'm afflicted with this and have been for three and a half years.
I'm very fortunate to still be able to stand in front of you at this time. My friend here
Debbie also is a member of this group and she is a caregiver. Would you like to say
anything?
Herndon: Thank you very much. My name is Debbie and my husband Steve is afflicted
with idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis, which is one of 200 types of interstitial lung diseases
that are categorized under the term pulmonary fibrosis. He was diagnosed -- he was --
when he was first diagnosed the doctor told him that he would die within three to five
years. Well, he's on his sixth year. So, he passed his expiration date. But it is a horrible
disease and a disease that not very many people know too much about and so our goal
here is to reach out to anybody who may be afflicted with this disease to know that there
are those of us out there that are willing to help them, just because just talking amongst
themselves with other members of the group can be so beneficial. So, thank you for
giving us this opportunity to make those of you here aware of this ugly disease.
Item 6: Consent Agenda Approved
A. Amended to read: Final Order Findings of Fact, Conclusions of
Law: TEC 15-004 Shops at Victory by Ken Lenz Located
Southeast Corner of S. Eagle Road and E. Victory Road Request:
One (1) Year Time Extension on the Conditional Use Permit
(CUP-08-011) and Preliminary Plat (PP-08-006) Approved
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B. Memorandum of Understanding Between the City of Meridian
and Intermountain Pet Hospital Regarding the Donation of Dog
Agility Equipment in the Storey Bark Park
C. Police Department: School Resource Officer Agreement between
Idaho State University/West Ada School District and the City of
Meridian
D. Approval of Contract Amendment for "Liquid Emulsion Polymer"
to BASF Corporation for the Not to Exceed amount of
$171,000.00
E. Approval of Contract Amendment for "Bulk Ferric Chloride" to
Weschem, Inc for the Not to Exceed amount of $95,000.00
F. Approval of Award of Bid and Agreement to Kemira Water
Solutions, Inc. for "PolyAluminum Chloride Solution" for a Not-
to-Exceed amount of $77,235.00
G. Approval of Assignment of Master Agreement and Task Orders
from SPF Water Engineering LLC to Western W.E., LLC.
H. Approval of Agreement to Mercer Health for “Benefits Brokerage
and Consulting Services” for a Not-To-Exceed amount of
$50,000.00
I. Development Agreement Sovi Subdivision (AZ-15-007) Located
in the NE ¼ of the NE ¼ of Section 29, Township 3 North, Range
1 East, Boise
J. Development Agreement for Stonesthrow Subdivision (AZ-15-
005) Located Approximately ¼ Mile South of E. Fairview Avenue
on the West Side of N. Mount Hood Avenue, in the NE ¼ of
Section 9, Township 3N., Range 1E., Boise Meridian, Ada
County, Idaho
K. Final Order: FP 15-029 Solterra Subdivision No. 2 by C15,LLC
Located Near the Northeast Corner of E. Fairview Avenue and N.
Hickory Way Request: Final Plat Approval Consisting of Forty-
Six (46) Single Family Residential Lots and Six (6) Common Lots
on Approximately 5.34 Acres in the R-15 Zoning Districts
L. Final Order: FP 15-030 Heritage Grove No. 3 by Green Village
Development, Inc. Located North of E. Ustick Road and West
Side of N. Locust Grove Road Request: Final Plat Approval
Consisting of Thirty-One (31) Single Family Residential Lots and
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Four (4) Common Lots on 5.36 Acres of Land in the R-15 Zoning
District
M. Approval of Task Order 10613.A to JUB Engineers, Inc. for the “
East Washington & Carlton Sewer Replacement – Design”
project for a Not-To-Exceed amount of $72,138.00.
N. Approval of Award of RFQ and Master Agreements for
Professional Services in Categories: 1b - Civil Survey
Consultants, JUB Engineers, Murray, Smith & Associates for
Water Supply and Distribution Engineering – Waterline
Construction, Rehabilitation, and Reconstruction / Replacement.
(Civil Survey Consultants, JUB Engineers, Murray Smith
Associates) 2b - JUB Engineers, Keller Associates, Murray,
Smith & Associates for Wastewater Collection and Treatment
Engineering – Lift Station design and construction 7a –
Advanced Control Systems, Bowen Collins & Associates, CH2M
Hill Engineers for Electrical Engineering – Water and Wastewater
control systems and SCADA system design and programming 8a
- Civil Survey Consultants, HDR, JUB Engineers for
Environmental Engineering – Reclaimed Water Program
Development, Design, Etc. 8b – Brown and Caldwell, CH2M Hill
Engineers, HDR for Environmental Engineering – NPDES
Stormwater Consulting; Environmental Assessment for NPDES
Permitting; Wetlands delineation and Wetlands Mitigation,
Stream, Wetland, and Riparian Environment Restoration
O. FP 15-031 Sovi Subdivision by DevCo Located 3515 S. Eagle
Road Request: Final Plat Approval Consisting of Thirty-Six (36)
Single Family Residential Lots and Seven (7) Common Lots on
Approximately 4.86 Acres in the R-15 Zoning District
De Weerd: Item No. 6 is our Consent Agenda.
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: With the previous amendment I move that we approve the Consent Agenda,
authorizing the Clerk to attest and the Mayor to sign.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: And I'm going to ask, Council, if you would pull your mikes closer to your
mouth when you speak. Dean would love you. So, I have a motion and a second to
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approve the Consent Agenda as amended in our adoption of the agenda. All those in
favor -- oh, I'm sorry. Madam Clerk, will you call roll.
Roll Call: Rountree, yea; Bird, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 7: Items Moved From the Consent Agenda
De Weerd: And it's not just for Dean, it's for the people in the back of the room who can't
hear us as well. So, Item 7 we had no items moved from the Consent Agenda.
Item 8: Action Items
A. Public Hearing: AZ 15-009 Creason Creek Subdivision by CS2,
LLC Located Near Southeast Corner of N. Linder Road and W.
Ustick Road Request: Annexation of 16.08 Acre of Land from the
RUT Zoning District to the R-8 Zoning District
B. Public Hearing: PP 15-014 Creason Creek Subdivision by CS2,
LLC Located Near Southeast Corner of N. Linder Road and W.
Ustick Road Request: Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of
Fifty-One (51) Single Family Residential Lots and Eight (8)
Common Lots on Approximately 15.75 Acres in a Proposed R-8
Zoning District
De Weerd: So, we will move into our Action Items. 8-A is -- AZ 15-009, 8-B is PP 15-014.
I will open these two public hearings with staff comments.
Beach: Good evening, Mayor, Council Members. This is an application for annexation
and zoning, preliminary plat and alternative compliance for the Creason Creek
Subdivision. The applicant CS2, LLC, has submitted application for annexation of 16.08
acres from county's RUT zoning to the R-8 or medium density residential zoning district.
The preliminary plat consists of 51 single family residential lots and eight common lots on
approximately 15.75 acres. So, as I said, the subject property has a land use designation
of medium density residential, as well as civic on the Comprehensive Plan future land use
map. The density for these projects is 3.24 units per acre, which falls between the three
to eight dwellings per acre as defined in the Comprehensive Plan. A couple things to
note. The length of Northwest 13th Street -- let me get there on the map here on the
PowerPoint. The length of Northwest 13th Street here exceeds the 750 foot maximum.
The -- working with ACHD the applicant has -- this isn't exactly the -- the layout that has
been approved, there will be some bulb outs here for some traffic calming. The applicant
has worked with ACHD to get that work done. They are finalizing those designs as we
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speak. Access to the site is from extensions to Lowry you can see here to the -- to the
north here or I guess this is the east side of the property, Lowry, and, then, Pebble Creek
here. There will be stub streets here, the other side of Pebble Creek, and, then, this is a
stub street here to this property that's on the corner of Linder and Ustick. North is to the
left just if you're looking for orientation. The applicant is -- in addition to this, the applicant
is requesting alternative compliance. There is a substantial flood plain that runs through
the property right here that is nonbuildable, so this will all be included as open space. The
applicant is requesting alternative compliance to not have the 25 foot landscape buffer
along Linder, but, instead, to seed this with fescue grasses and in addition to that there
will be some walking the paths throughout this area. The open space and amenities, the
applicant is proposing 4.56 acres of open space, which is well above the ten percent that's
required for the development, understanding that most of that will be seeded with fescue
grasses. If you see up here on the pointer, this was -- the applicant is proposing a -- a
dog area or a dog park up here. There will be some pedestrian bridges that cross over to
this lateral here to access the open space and then, the applicant is also proposing some
picnic areas and some benches as well as part of the development. In addition to that,
the applicant is proposing to fence a portion of this Creason Lateral here with wrought iron
-- six foot wrought iron fence. The portion that cannot be fenced that's within that flood
plain, the applicant is requesting that the Council approve that to remain untiled due to the
size of the -- under our code and, then, the Five Mile Creek, which runs along right here,
will remain open due to the fact this is a natural waterway. Are there any questions?
De Weerd: Council, any questions at this time?
Bird: I have none, Mayor.
De Weerd: Okay. Is the applicant here this evening? Good evening. If you will, please,
state your name and address for the record.
Unger: Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name is Bob Unger. I'm with ULC
Management, 62104 North Gary Lane, Boise, Idaho. 83714. And I represent CS2, LLC,
on the project. We worked with Josh and staff on the design of this project, because it
has so many unusual issues, such as the floodway and also some flood plain issues. So,
what you -- what you're seeing this evening is the -- is the final of all of our work. I think
Josh has done a great job of reviewing the project and we have no issues with the staff
report or the conditions of approval and stand for any questions you might have.
De Weerd: Thank you. Council, any questions for the applicant at this time?
Bird: I have none.
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
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Milam: I'll wait. I guess -- Bob, I guess my -- my question is regarding of the -- the tiling of
the waterway. That is an area that we are going to be sending the families to play and
children to go hang out and play. Is this -- is this safe when it's all laid out if it can't be
fenced or --
Unger: Madam Mayor and Council, the Creason Lateral, which runs kind of a diagonally
across there, you know, we are proposing to fence that with six foot wrought iron fence,
but, then, when we get down to the floodway, the floodway rules and regulations won't
allow us to fence it. So, it does pose a bit of a problem there. Certainly, you know, we
would like to fence it, but I can't -- the cost of tiling it it's very expensive. It's over 200
dollars a foot, so we would be looking at -- just that section there we would be looking at
somewhere in the area of 150 to 200 thousand dollars to tile it. And I'm not sure what we
can do, because we can't fence it.
Milam: Thank you.
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Okay. With respect to the property along Creason, how are the folks that are
going to be responsible for that property going to access it. I assume the HOA is going to
be responsible for that piece of property.
Unger: Madam Mayor, Mr. Rountree, yes, it would be maintained by the HOA. The
nature park and all of the parks throughout the project and we do have a -- we do have a
bridge to go over the lateral to access from the project itself.
Rountree: Okay.
Unger: We also have one up at the dog park, which is in the southeast corner.
Rountree: Okay. And will the covenants, CC&Rs, have stipulations, guidelines, or criteria
that the HOA is to meet in order to maintain those sites, so, one, they don't get in issues
with the floodway regulations and, two, that it's maintained in such a way as it -- it is, in
fact, an amenity and does not become an eye sore.
Unger: Yes. Our CC&Rs will be -- they are going to have to be pretty explicit in this
particular case. You know, most of the time on a project you do your standard CC&Rs
and you maintain everything, but this is going to be more -- a little more intricate in the --
in what can be done within the floodway and -- and the maintenance of the fescue and
also we want to also put some natural, you know, flower seed out there, but that will all
have to be maintained by the association and we will have pretty strict regulations and
rules and guidelines as to how that has to be maintained.
Rountree: And the final question, if you will. Explain the layout of homes, residents, or
apartments or whatever they are going to be, off of -- and I can't read this drawing. It's
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fuzzy on my screen, but it's right there where there is a -- it looks like they might be alley
loaded or they might have a common driveway to all of those lots.
Unger: Yes. We have -- we have two common driveways. One that -- on the north side
of -- I can't read this either. Tumble Creek Drive. And those six lots will all front on the
common driveway and, then, we have an additional common driveway -- that right there.
That accesses three lots and all of those lots will also face the common driveway area.
Rountree: Okay.
Unger: So, they are not rear load.
Rountree: And do you propose some off-street parking anywhere in the vicinity of those
driveways for folks that might have visitors, because I can see that that could be a real
problem with six houses on one common driveway that looks like it's probably large
enough to back in and back out of your garage and that's about it.
Unger: Yes, sir. The common driveways are -- I believe they are 25 feet in width and, of
course, each residence will have to have a 25 -- 20 foot parking pad, you know, going into
their garage. So, there would be parking within their individual driveways, but, then, there
would be -- still be on-street parking on Tumble -- Tumble Creek.
Rountree: Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions at this point for the applicant? Thank you, Bob.
Unger: Thank you.
De Weerd: This is a public hearing. Is there anyone who would like to provide testimony
on this item? Thank you for joining us. If you will, please, state your name and address
for the record.
Olsen: May name is Dorothy Olsen. I live at 2887 Northwest 12th Drive.
De Weerd: Thank you.
Olsen: My house backs this project and I am concerned about the traffic that this
development is going to mean for my neighborhood. With that approval of 51 -- a 51 lot
subdivision there is the potential of adding at least a hundred cars to the traffic in the
neighborhood. During high traffic periods we are already experiencing difficulty in making
left turns off Ustick into our development on 12th Drive. When you add another potential
hundred cars, the intersection problems will get much worse. The widening of Ustick to
five lanes, scheduled for 2017, may solve some of our problems, but it has the potential of
making our problems worse or at least -- and as -- and is at least two years in the future.
As part of the final approval for Creason Creek Subdivision I would like to request the
Council consider the developers participate in the cost to install two signal lights, one at
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the intersection of Ustick and 12th Drive and the other one at Linder and Claire Street.
Those are the only two accesses in and out of this area and the one that goes down
Claire routes through another private neighborhood area separate from ours. I just would
like to have you consider that as a possible solution to one of -- some of what I think is
going to be a traffic problem.
De Weerd: Thank you, Dorothy.
Olsen: Thank you.
De Weerd: In addition to Dorothy signing to speak I have Joe Semanich. Would he like to
provide testimony? I don't see him. Oh. No. He signed up as neutral. This is a public
hearing. Is there anyone else who would like to provide testimony on this item? Justin,
could we perhaps ask you a couple questions with Ada County Highway District.
Lucas: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, Justin Lucas, Ada County Highway
District, business address is 3775 Adams Street, Garden City, Idaho. How can I help
you?
De Weerd: Well, as -- I love that attitude. What was just mentioned in terms of the
concerns along Ustick and Linder, these two roads are on a plan to be improved in the
future, but I'm not sure on Ustick does the additional lane that -- that was put in with the
intersection improvement on Ustick and Linder, does it extend all the way to 12th Drive?
Lucas: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I don't believe that the additional lane
extends all the way to 12th on Ustick. I'm familiar with both the intersection of Ustick and
12th and Ustick and Claire, which I didn't catch the woman's last name. I believe her
name was Dorothy. Olsen. Mrs. Olsen. She brought that up. But we did analyze this
project per our standards and typically we try to limit signalized intersections on principal
arterial roadways, which Ustick is. The signals are planned for the Ustick and Linder
intersection, which is complete. Ustick and Venable, which is down the way by Settlers
Park. There will likely be a signal there when that's all complete. I know that doesn't
completely address her concern of the left turn out, but when the -- when the intersection
is -- when the roadway is improved and there is a viable center turn lane there, I think that
should help on both of the legs of that intersection. Claire is a -- is a difficult one and I'm
not going to deny it. It's got some Jersey barrier there and it's a -- and there is a canal --
the Creason actually runs right down there and so that is a difficult intersection to navigate
and so what -- that would have to be improved when the -- that section of Linder Road is
widened. That's not a simple project because of the interaction with the irrigation facility.
So, I don't know if that totally answers the questions. Typically, you know, homes, it's
going to add some traffic, but this area, due to the level of service and the standards
around there, we believe should be able to handle it. That's per our standards. Now, the
neighborhood oftentimes looks at it differently.
De Weerd: Well, I would agree. My son delivered newspapers in that neighborhood -- the
older neighborhood and getting in and out of there was very limited at that time.
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Lucas: Correct.
De Weerd: And we have grown a lot since then. If you knew my son's age you would
know I just aged my comment. Any other questions from Council for Justin? Okay.
Thank you.
Lucas: Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. Any further testimony? I would ask the applicant to make closing
remarks.
Unger: Madam Mayor, Bob Unger again. I had a question for Justin. I -- I was told by
ACHD that the Ustick widening has been moved up to 2016. No? Okay. All right. Well, I
think Justin pretty much answered the question pertaining to the -- the traffic. The way
our project is laid out we feel that the bulk of the traffic is going to go to the north access
into the South Lake Subdivision and 12th Avenue there. So, I don't -- we don't feel that,
you know, we are going to have a lot of traffic going through the subdivision itself. It will
be going out to the access there to Ustick and that is our primary access. I really -- I think
that's all I had. The only other comment I have on Mrs. Olsen's comments and I would
stand for any questions that you might come up with.
De Weerd: Okay. Council? Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: Bob, the map that we have in front of us is somewhat fuzzy, so I have been
pushing back between the map provided in Google Map to make sure that I'm orienting
myself in the right spot. But 13th connects to a street that I can't see the name and that --
north towards Ustick -- correct. Right there. That street. And that street right there where
the arrow is, does that connect to 12th? Is that what I'm seeing?
Unger: Yes, it does. 12th comes across and then -- and, then, takes a bend to the west
and, then, comes out to Ustick.
Cavener: Great. Appreciate it. Thanks for the clarification.
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba. Mr. Zaremba, we can't hear you.
Zaremba: That's because I didn't switch it on. Now we are on. My question is actually
going to be for the fire department, but it has a lot of premise to it and I'm referring to
Northwest 13th Street where block length exceeds the 750 foot maximum. There are
several reasons, actually, for that being in the requirements and one of them is walkability,
which I think has been mentioned. The other is traffic calming and I can see that the little
meander there will probably help with that. The third is a fire department concern and that
is if there is any constriction to access on that street there is only so far they can drag a
hose and I guess my question is is the fire department satisfied that they can service this
area if there is an obstruction on the street.
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Jones: Madam Mayor, Councilman Zaremba, that section of the subdivision doesn't
present an issue. Each one of our trucks carries over 800 feet of supply line. The only
concerns I see with that are those -- those stubbed out dead end driveways, that does
present a bottleneck issue where once we get an engine in there and they have laid lines
in, that's the only apparatus we can get in there. So, it doesn't, you know, decrease our
ability to fight fire, it just is kind of going to slow our progress, because we are going to
have to walk and carry equipment further. That's the only concern I see.
Zaremba: Thank you.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions from Mr. Unger?
Unger: Madam Mayor, can I respond?
De Weerd: Uh-huh.
Unger: Thank you. Where was I going there? Oh. On the -- on the two common drives,
they are 150 feet or less, which, you know, meets fire code. And also a correction. There
isn't a little hoopty Doo in that street. Okay?
De Weerd: A hoopty Doo. Is that an engineering term?
Unger: I'm not an engineer, so I can get away with it. I'm a planner. But that actually is a
straight street. But at the intersection there of Tumble Creek and 13th there are knuckles
to knuckle down the traffic, slow down traffic and that has been reviewed by ACHD staff
and approved. Okay? And the difficulty that we have here -- and we understood that the
750 distance -- block distance, but we were somewhat restricted by our -- the two
accesses coming off of the Southwick Subdivision in that they were more than the 750
and I know they were approved prior to this ordinance going in. So, it was pretty -- it was
difficult for us to -- to make that 750, although we did on the west side with our stub street
that goes down through there, but we just couldn't do it on the east side, because there
was nobody to put in a pathway that went nowhere or a road that went nowhere. So, we
were kind of restricted there in our abilities to meet that part of the code. So, that's --
that's why we have asked for the consideration on that.
Zaremba: Thank you for the clarification.
De Weerd: Okay. Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: Madam Mayor. Question for staff and, then, Bob. What -- what does the land
use planning map designate the corner?
Beach: That is -- it's a great question. I think it's commercial.
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Rountree: So, would the applicant be willing to sign the stub streets that, one, they will
eventually go through and, two, that the adjacent property is commercial?
Unger: Madam Mayor, Mr. Rountree, there will be barricades at both of those stub streets
as required by ACHD and they do have a sign that says this street, you know, may be
extended or will be extended in the future. As far as the zoning -- certainly, I don't have a
problem putting a sign up that, you know, this property is -- whatever the zoning is. I
actually think it's neighborhood commercial.
Beach: Okay.
Unger: If I remember correctly, because we have actually looked at that piece and are still
looking at it. But we have no problems putting up a sign to that effect.
Rountree: Okay. Thank you.
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: Bob, what is your estimated date of completion?
Unger: Oh, my goodness. Madam Mayor, we would hope -- and, again, we are optimistic
-- we are always optimistic and I'm very optimistic. We would hope to start pulling building
permits in June, July of next year. We would like to -- we have already started our
engineering drawings for the project and we are hoping to break ground mid November
and work throughout the winter. We won't be able to pave probably until March, but that
works about right when all the landscaping goes in. So, I would think June, July for
building permits.
Milam: Thank you.
De Weerd: Any other questions from Council?
Cavener: Madam Mayor, maybe a question --
De Weerd: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: -- question for staff. The alternative compliance with the landscape along the
Creason Lateral, does that extend just the length of the lateral or until its stubbed or to the
edge of the property line?
Beach: Yes, it's the length of the property. So, they would -- they would have been
required to put the 25 foot landscape buffer in on the entire length --
Cavener: Uh-huh.
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Beach: -- and they -- our code reads equal to or better than has been approved by Caleb
to do what they propose is putting those -- those pathways and the fescue grasses -- let
me get here to the landscape plan so you can kind of see what they are proposing. It was
agreed to install some additional trees here. There is some existing mature trees along
the lateral. They will be installing some additional trees --
Cavener: Okay.
Beach: -- as well as part of that. But, yes, that was part of our review as well.
Cavener: Okay. Thank you.
De Weerd: So, Bob, I understand the challenges of in-fill, but how are you going to
distinguish this as neighborhood in and of itself, so that it doesn't belong to the
neighborhood on 12th Drive?
Unger: Madam Mayor. I think anytime you do a development and you put in common
areas and -- to be used by the homeowners and people like that, it's almost impossible to
restrict someone else from walking over from the other neighborhood and maybe using
your park area. That's -- I mean it's pretty typical throughout everything. Certainly it's not
-- we are not going to post it or run people off, but it is a pretty typical thing that you see
throughout that area. And, really, anybody that would like to use the nature park I think --
you know, it might be fun. I mean we are going to have some benches there where you
can sit and, hopefully, we will have birds and wildlife in that area. So, I guess to answer
your question, we -- you know, we are not going to restrict anyone else from using our
park area. It's just --
De Weerd: And do you have a sign by the entrance coming in off of 12th?
Unger: Oh. Madam Mayor, yes. We do have two little triangular landscape spots there
and we will be coming in for a sign permit to sign up that identifies our subdivision. We
will probably have one at that entrance and also at the southerly entrance.
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: Bob, so the walking path in this whole section is just really difficult to absorb and
appreciate. So, where do they end? As they go away from their subdivision where is the
ending point of those paths?
Unger: Madam Mayor and Council, the walking path will start at our -- be our -- our
westerly side there at the Creason Lateral where the commercial property is and, then, it
will run south and east paralleling the lateral until we get to -- until we get to a point where
I can't go any further and, then, we are going to go directly east and connect with the
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sidewalk there, which will take you over to the pathway that's over in Southwick that also
parallels the lateral.
De Weerd: Where is that connection on the lateral?
Unger: I'm sorry, Madam Mayor. Which --
De Weerd: With the pathway.
Unger: With the pathway. Okay. To the east, which is to the adjoining subdivision --
De Weerd: Can you get the other map on here?
Beach: Absolutely.
De Weerd: There you go. Yes. So, staff, do you know where the -- the pathway he's
referring to is? Can you --
Beach: There is -- thank you, Madam Mayor, Council Members. So, there is -- there is a
couple of paths you can be referring to, so I guess for clarification there is a path that runs
along Creason Lateral here, as he indicated. It goes up here and connects with the
sidewalk and, then, it will connect to the Southwick Subdivision and there is this pathway
here. Are we referring to where this connects right here?
De Weerd: I think that's what you were referring to.
Beach: There is a -- there is an existing pathway there that this will connect to. Is that
your question?
De Weerd: Yes.
Unger: Excuse me, Madam Mayor. Actually, that will be an ACHD sidewalk. They
required us to put our sidewalk on the -- on the other side of the Five Mile Creek.
De Weerd: So, it won't connect.
Unger: We will connect to the north, but I don't believe it connects to anything to the south
at this point.
De Weerd: Okay.
Unger: There is a dirt pathway down through there, I believe, and I think that's all there is.
But ACHD is requiring us to put in the sidewalk in that area, so we thought it would be
good to connect with that with our pathway.
De Weerd: Okay. Did that answer -- did that help?
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Milam: A little bit. Madam Mayor. I guess I still have a question for staff and it goes back
to the -- the nontiling issue.
Unger: Okay.
Milam: And I understand that 150,000 dollars is a lot of money, but a life is a lot more
valuable. So, is this a safe alternative?
Beach: I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer that question. They are -- the applicant is
required to come to Council to ask for a waiver to not tile that, so that's up to -- up to the
Council Members to make that decision. It's currently not -- you know, it's open currently
and as Bob has indicated, they are not allowed to build or construct anything within that
area. So, really, that would be the only way to make sure. But as Bob indicted, he's just
asking for that waiver based on the size and the cost.
De Weerd: And certainly I would imagine that that is not that different from the pathway
we have in Tully Park, so --
Milam: The Bud Porter.
De Weerd: Yeah. The Bud Porter.
Unger: Madam Mayor, if I could.
De Weerd: Oh. It's like where is that coming from.
Unger: Yeah. I -- you know, that is a concern that we really hadn't discussed, because
we were always going to fence that and, then, when staff informed us that we couldn't
fence that area, it -- I think it got overlooked. Okay? Boy, as much as I hate to say this, I
-- I think we are going to have to do that. I mean I agree with you, I mean, you know, our
concern is safety also and I hadn't thought about that, so -- we will have to tile the section
that's within the floodway.
Milam: Thank you.
Unger: My boss is going to kill me. But you would probably require it anyhow.
De Weerd: Yeah. I'm not sure you can.
Bird: In a flood plain I don't think you can.
Unger: Pardon?
De Weerd: I'm not sure you will be able to.
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Unger: To tile it?
De Weerd: Uh-huh.
Unger: Yes, we can. I have discussed it with Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District.
De Weerd: Really.
Unger: And they will allow us to tile it.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: As a curiosity, I have an engineering question. If you tile it is it still a floodway?
The water can't go anywhere outside the pipe.
Unger: Madam Mayor. Yes, we can go in and tile it within the floodway, we can go in and
tile it, as long as we do not cause a rise in the base flood elevation within that area. In
other words, we can't -- we can't make it higher, we can't make it lower, and it's a 72 inch
pipe -- concrete pipe that will have to go in, so as long as we don't change the -- the
elevations in that area, then, we are fine and we will have to do a flood plain application.
We have to do a flood plain -- or floodway application anyhow with the city, so city staff
will have to review it.
Zaremba: I think I'm understanding that. You're talking about the area before and after
the pipe --
Unger: Correct.
Zaremba: -- has to be unaffected.
Unger: Correct.
Zaremba: So, it is still a floodway.
Unger: Yes.
Zaremba: All right. Thank you.
De Weerd: But you will still have the Five Mile Creek, too. You have the Creason Lateral
and you have the Five Mile Creek; right? So, that little island is surrounded by water.
Unger: Yes, it is.
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De Weerd: I guess an alternative -- and maybe Warren or Mike have some ideas, but we
did a demonstration project over by Locust Grove and Franklin where they did some
treatments along the ditches to -- to kind of step it down and to make it further away from
the water delivery itself, but to make -- to make it safer so that -- to show how naturally
you can build in a safer atmosphere or environment. I don't know -- we don't want to tile
everything, but -- Warren, do you have any -- any comment on this?
Stewart: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, there is probably a couple things you
can do. You can tile the ditch as long as the pipe is of sufficient size that it is -- it will carry
the hundred year flood event. So, you just have to size it appropriately. So, that can be
done if that's what they choose to do. As an alternative to that you probably could, if you
could get permission -- you would have to get, of course, permits from the Corps of
Engineers and the irrigation districts, and sort of widen that section of the -- the ditch and
step it down so that you have a situation where you didn't have steep banks. In other
words, people could wade in and out fairly safely. Still is an issue if you have a flood
event, but you could -- normal flows it might be okay. I don't -- certainly haven't looked at
this particular situation, so I couldn't say that you could do that emphatically, but that's a
possibility.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions or comments?
Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: You know, I think this issue is kind of come full circle that we are not, now we
are, and we are not sure if we can, so my suggestion is maybe continue the hearing on
this and give Bob another week to -- to work with his client and work with the city flood
plain regulatory people and find out just what can and can't be done, as opposed to
approving something that you're back here in another month with a new hearing, because
a decision was made and had to be remade. So, that would be my suggestion, continue
the hearing on this item.
Bird: Is that a motion?
De Weerd: I -- certainly if we have a motion, but, you know, at this point it would be my
hope that Mr. Unger's client could obtain the corner, so you do -- you plan something all at
once. We -- we have had multiple applications in. You never see the full picture and the
homes that go in never know what's going to be built in their -- their backyards and it's
always nice to have a full picture. The access to Linder will be dictated by whatever
development goes in on that corner and -- and so will it -- in terms of the Ustick it would be
a second access in addition to the 12th -- 12th Street or 12th Avenue, whatever that --
12th something. But -- I don't know. I guess -- I understand in-fill and -- and that, but it
just -- my thoughts. So, do I have a motion of any kind?
Unger: Thank you.
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Rountree: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Rountree.
Rountree: I move that we continue the public hearings for Items 8-A and 8-B until -- a
week?
De Weerd: It's two weeks.
Rountree: Two weeks. Until October 6th, 2015.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to continue this item to October 6th and that's
Items 8-A and 8-B. All those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
De Weerd: Okay. So, this will be continued to August 6th and we will take testimony
again at that time. Thank you for joining us.
C. Public Hearing: AZ 15-012 Graycliff Estates by L.C. Development,
Inc. Located Southwest of W. Harris Street and S. Meridian Road
Request: Annexation and Zoning of 52.46 Acres with R-8 (36.66
Acres) and R-40 (15.8 Acres) Zoning Districts
D. Public Hearing: PP 15-012 Graycliff Estates by L.C. Development,
Inc. Located Southwest of W. Harris Street and S. Meridian Road
Request: Preliminary Plat Approval Consisting of 120 Building
Lots, Nine (9) Common Lots and One (1) Other Lot on 52.46
Acres of Land in the R-8 and R-40 Zoning Districts
De Weerd: Items 8-C and D. I will open the public hearings AZ 15-012 and PP 15-012. I
will open these with staff comments.
Watters: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. The next applications
before you are a request for annexation and zoning and a preliminary plat. This site
consists of 52.46 acres of land. It's currently zoned RUT in Ada County and is located
southwest of West Harris Street and South Meridian Road. A little history on this property.
In 2008 an amendment to the future land use map was approved for the northeast portion
of this site to change the future land designation from medium density residential to high
density residential. The applicant has applied for annexation and zoning of a total of
52.46 acres of land, 36.66 acres of which with an R-8 zoning district and 15.8 acres with
an R-40 zoning district, consistent with the associated future land use map designations of
medium density residential and high density residential. The applicant proposes to
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develop 119 new single family residential detached homes in an R-8 district and 224
apartment units in the R-40 zone. This is an exhibit showing the proposed zoning. R-40
on this. And R-8 to the south. The multi-family portion is proposed to consist of five
structures with a combination of two and three stories and 18 and 24 units in each
structure and does require conditional use permit approval in the future. The preliminary
plat as shown consists of 119 single family residential building lots, one multi-family
residential building lot, nine common lots and one city well lot. The minimum property size
of the single family lots is 7,049 square feet, with an average lot size of 9,177 square feet.
The subdivision is proposed to develop in four phases as shown on the preliminary plat.
The applicant has submitted a revised plat since the staff report was written and that is
shown there on the screen. A 75 foot wide easement for the Williams Pipeline bisects this
site. It is the green corridor at the pathway. You can see here on the right. Oops. All
development within the easement must adhere to the most current standards in the
Williams Gas Pipeline Developer's Handbook. The Sundial Lateral bisects the western
portion of this site and is proposed to be relocated and piped along the west boundary of
the site. The Tumbler Lateral runs along the northeast boundary and is also proposed to
be piped. A 20 foot wide landscape street buffer is required along Harris Street and south
Redwater Avenue, both collector streets. Harris is the one that comes in here and
Redwater is the one the runs along the west boundary of the site. A total of 7.95 acres or
15.16 percent of qualified open space is proposed with the development, consisting of a
1.77 acre park there at the northwest corner. Parkways along local and collector streets.
A 75 foot wide open space corridor where the gas pipeline is located. Micropaths and
open space areas. A ten foot wide multi-use pathway is proposed through the gas
pipeline corridor in accord with the master pathways plan. A bocce ball court or
horseshoe pit area and park benches are proposed as site amenities in accord with UDC
standards. A city well lot is proposed within the park area at the northwest corner of the
site. A 99 year lease will be provided to the city and the well lot will be deeded at the time
of final platting. Access is proposed via the extension of West Harris Street from the
northeast. Again, that's the street right here. And when Biltmore Subdivision develops to
the north access will be available via South Kentucky Way. And coming up right there.
Stub streets are proposed for future extension to the west, east and south. A north-south
collector street is proposed off site along the west boundary in accord with the master
street map, which will eventually extend south to Amity Road. A traffic impact study was
submitted to and reviewed by ACHD. As recommended in the study, ACHD is requiring, if
allowed by ITD, a dedicated southbound right turn lane and eastbound left and right turn
lane at the State Highway 69 Meridian Road-Harris Street intersection prior to plan
approval or signature on the first final plat. The Commission recommended approval of
the subject applications. Becky McKay testified in favor. No one testified in opposition.
Vicki Laidlaw and Gordon Hamilton commented on the application and written testimony
was received by the applicant Becky McKay. There were no real key issues of discussion
by the Commission, although the Commission did make changes to the staff report, they
modified conditions as requested by the applicant in a response letter to the staff report
and recommended by staff. Those are reflected in the Commission recommendation to
Council document. There are no outstanding issues from the Commission meeting for
City Council and there has been no written testimony received by the city since the
Commission hearing. Based on the applicant's response to the staff report submitted prior
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to the Commission hearing, staff is recommending condition number 2.1.2 is revised to
read: Applicant shall be required to connect to the proposed 12 inch water main located
in South Kentucky Way as part of the future Biltmore Estates Sub -- development. The
applicant shall be required to extent the proposed 12 inch water main proposed by Public
Works in Harris Street west in the extension of Harris Street and south in the proposed
collector South Redwater Avenue. The city project is being proposed as part of the fiscal
year 2016 budget. Therefore, service must be considered contingent at this time. This
change is due to the boundary of this project not extending to West Amity Road as
anticipated by staff in the staff report. Staff will stand for any questions the Mayor and
Council may have.
De Weerd: Thank you. Councilman Zaremba.
Zaremba: Madam Mayor. I'm understanding all the stub streets and the future
connectivity, but since Harris is going to be the current access -- is that paved all the way
to Meridian Road?
Watters: Madam Mayor, Councilman Zaremba, no, it is not. It would be extended with
the Biltmore Estates development to the north.
Zaremba: So, there will be a period of time where the only access to this is unpaved?
That's what I'm not understanding.
Watters: It likely won't be developed until the access from Harris is extended or they
construct it with consent from that property owner. I'm sure the applicant can speak to
that.
Zaremba: Okay.
Watters: I would like to make a further note. I forgot to mention the conceptual building
elevations for the single family homes that were submitted by the applicant also as shown.
De Weerd: Any other questions for staff? Okay. Would the applicant like to make
comment?
McKay: Thank you, Madam Mayor, Members of the Council. Becky McKay with
Engineering Solutions. 1029 North Rosario, Meridian. Business address. I'm
representing Mr. Centers on this application. He will be developing this particular piece of
property under his Star Development, Inc., company.
De Weerd: Thank you, Becky.
McKay: Whoa? I think I got this caught.
Watters: Becky, you have to pull that to release it. Warren will help you.
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McKay: Oh, there we go.
De Weerd: Sorry. Trying to make it a challenge.
McKay: Always throwing me a curve ball. Keeps me on my toes. This particular 52 acres
is located just south of Harris Street. As Councilman Zaremba indicated, Harris Street is
improved to the western edge of Meridian Heights Subdivision. Mr. Centers came through
the City Council with Biltmore Subdivision here, what was it, last year. We have our first
phase and second phase constructed. An extension of Kentucky Way will come up and
intersect with Harris Street. Therefore, with Kentucky Way going down and connecting to
Victory there will be two points of ingress and egress. We did provide a traffic study to
Ada County Highway District. They evaluated it. They indicated that State Highway 69, if
ITD will allow us to install a right turn decel lane that will allow traffic to go into Harris
Street and, then, there is enough right of way to add like a left turn bay and a right -- pre-
right out of -- onto Highway 69 from Harris allowing for southbound and northbound traffic.
Back in 2008 I came through the City Council with a comprehensive plan map
amendment, with Hawkins Company, who owned the adjoining property just to the east.
They had a regional commercial development that included retail, office, and a multi-
family component. One of the things that the Council considered when evaluating my
Comprehensive Plan map amendment is the fact that this property is bisected -- I guess it
goes this way. Sorry. Bisected by the Williams Northwest Pipeline. That is kind of a
natural boundary and what the Council weighed is, well, if we are going to have like a
regional commercial type user we should have some transition from single family to that
regional commercial development. So, this was designated high density residential. So,
what we are bringing before you is an annexation and rezone to high density residential,
R-40, for that portion, which is just east of the W illiams Pipeline and, then, R-8 for that
portion which lies to the west. We have a conceptual plan that is consistent with the
conceptual plan that we showed when we brought that Comprehensive Plan map
amendment through. I think with the Williams Pipeline you have that big 75 foot buffer
that separates the two uses. It will also have a multi-use pathway that will extend all the
way from Meridian Road to Victory. So, that's going to be a nice greenbelt type corridor
where we can have bicycles, pedestrians. In your Comprehensive Plan there are also
right in the center of the section was a neighborhood park designation. Obviously, you
want to connect that greenbelt to the parks and so what we have been doing is we have
been planning this particular property owned by Mr. Centers is building a component
neighborhood park with each parcel that we bring through the process. So, as you can
see, part of -- part of the parcel is in -- or the -- sorry. Part of the neighborhood park is
within Biltmore and, then, we have this section that's in this particular development we call
Graycliff and, then, the remainder of that neighborhood park would be in the western 140
acres that Mr. Centers owns. And so it is our desire to, obviously, have a total of a seven
acre park and that would be located right there. You guys need a well site. We have
been working with your Public Works Department. We have signed and submitted a well
agreement that we have been working with Mr. Baird on to get that well off and running,
so that there can be a second and a third well on that zone five, because that's going to
be critical in that upper elevation area that water be extended. So, one of the things that's
part of our conditions of approval we obviously have to meet fire flow and that is
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contingent on, obviously, extension of your Amity Road water main up Meridian Road and
down Harris and, then, interconnecting to Kentucky Way's water. This particular piece of
property -- we have 119 single family lots that you're looking at. We wanted to, obviously,
follow your master plan, which you and the highway district show that Harris Street will
eventually connect all the way to Linder Road. There will also be a collector that goes
south and connects all the way to Amity. In working on the Biltmore Subdivision one of
the things that I promised the Kentucky Ridge residents that we wouldn't put an entrance
for the other collector or another roadway directly across from their road. So, that
entrance is over in this location. So, it will T into Harris, just like we had initially promised
when we did Biltmore, so that we weren't feeding traffic all the way from Amity through the
half mile collector and, then, dumping it through their development onto Victory Road. So,
we -- we have, basically honored our commitment. As far as the design of the park, we --
Mr. Centers did pay the landscape architect to kind of come up of a conceptual plan that's
only for concept purposes, just so that the city could see that their standard footprint for a
neighborhood park as far as the improvements are concerned will fit. This ten foot multi-
use pathway -- better use red -- will run along here. We plan like a couple of park
benches so people can walk or sit. We will have amenities right here in our primary open
space. We are at about 15 percent open space and I guess we hope that the city is still in
agreement for the neighborhood park. We heard kind of rumblings through the Parks
Department that, well, you know, we have a regional park that's going to go in south
Meridian area and, therefore, we are not sure as far as the dollars that will be allocated to
neighborhood parks. We have kind of, you know, been going in the direction that -- that
there would be a neighborhood park in the center of this section. I hope that that's still the
opinion of the Council and the Mayor and so I guess I'd like some feedback on that. One
of the challenges of this parcel is the fact that it is triangular in shape and so I tried to
basically make the streets so that they would T into other streets, so we didn't get long
straight blocks with traffic speeds that exceed that of a neighborhood. So, by taking these
streets, diving them in -- T'ing them into these roadways, creating a collector here at the
entrance, another outlet here that will come into that southern collector, you know, we kind
of disperse the traffic. We created a nice micropath that comes through the mid section.
We also have interconnectivity to our multi-family component. Obviously at this juncture
it's kind of premature to design a multi-family component. What we did is provide this
concept to staff, so that they could see that it would work and that that shape of that
parcel is viable for a multi-family. We are also creating stub streets for interconnection,
cross-access to the Hawkins parcel. They have not proceeded forward with their
development agreement. I believe their time has ran out. But they still have the property
under option and it is designated on the Comprehensive Plan as like regional mixed use.
We feel that we have a good project. The homes that Mr. Centers is building out in
Biltmore, they will be similar style. These particular lots are a little bit narrower. Their
average square footage is a little over 9,000 square feet. Our sizes range from about
seven to 16 thousand. So, we have a variety. The homes -- this kind of gives you an idea
of the architectural style. These -- these are some of the ones, like I said, that were going
into Biltmore. In this particular project we have also stubbed to Mrs. Laidlaw. She did
attend our Planning and Zoning Commission hearing. She had two comments. She
wanted to make sure that, one, we fenced the southern boundary that adjoins her. Two,
that we would provide some type of fence on the exterior, like electric fence, in the event
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that she has put some animals in her pasture. She said she didn't have animals now, but
she may want them in the future and, obviously, vinyl fences and large animals don't mix.
She also asked if -- that we would install some type of just small play equipment for the
little kids, so that they had something like right here at the southeast portion of our project,
since the neighborhood park play equipment will be at the northwest area. It's kind of, like
I said, a challenging site. I think we have done a really good job of making it work. Our
density -- we are roughly in -- the single family portion is about 3.27 units per acre gross
and I think 4.75 net. We have a really -- you know, this is an opportunity in this section to
get these collectors in and I think Mr. Centers has been approaching it correctly. We are
now doing the planning on the western 140 acres, so the third component of the plan will
be coming in, basically completing that neighborhood park. We have reviewed all of
staff's conditions. We are in agreement and do you have any questions that I could
answer?
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: I'm just full of questions tonight, Becky. So, one question is regards to your -- the
high density residential.
McKay: Yes.
Milam: So, there are no amenities in that area -- in that area or are we just using the
park?
McKay: As far -- Madam Mayor, Councilman Milam, as far as the multi-family component
is concerned, they will have to have their own amenities. In our conceptual plan we
showed like a clubhouse, a pool, a rental center, something along that line. You are not
approving any specific number of units or any specific site plan this evening. They will
have to come through with a conditional use permit and a site plan, landscape plan.
Elevations. We did kind of -- like I said, a conceptual view, because it's always kind of
been the Council's idea that we don't want to annex and zone something unless we can
kind of see what you're -- what the intent is and so this kind of gives -- tells you what the
intent is. You know, we have kicked around different ideas, you know, maybe a senior
center type thing. Also might -- this might be a good area. Obviously, you need that retail
component, so that people can walk to shopping and that's kind of a chicken and egg.
Unfortunately, the multi-family is always like the last component. Invariably. It's been that
way at Lochsa Falls, it was that way, you know, at Bridgetower that it's always kind of
contingent, chicken and egg type deal. Single family is first and, then, we get the retail
and, then, we get the multi-family. So, we want to make sure that everyone is aware and
the staff thought so, too, this is multi-family. Planned for multi-family. It's on the comp
plan land use map. It was shown when we annexed and zoned it, so everyone is aware.
Milam: Put a sign up for the people that buy these properties, so they come here and fight
next time when you come back.
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McKay: Council has had me do that on occasions, yes. It's in the CC&Rs that this -- this
property is a high density residentially zoned property and will develop as such, yes.
Milam: Madam Mayor? And my other question really is -- may be answered by the same
type of answer, but in the ACHD report or study they didn't mention the multi-family and I
just want to make sure that was not a -- oh, I logged out. Okay. There. So, in the ACHD
study it just says 119 single family dwelling units.
McKay: Madam Mayor, Councilman Milam, that is because we are only annexing and
zoning it. So, they -- what they will require is when the multi-family component comes in
as a conditional use they would have to provide a new traffic study and they would meet --
most likely meet the warrant for a signal. A signal is eventually planned at Harris and
Meridian Road. It was also a requirement of Cavanaugh Ridge Subdivision that the -- if
they came in first that they would install a signal. Hawkins had a condition from ACHD If
they came in first, if this multi-family component comes in it would warrant it. With our 119
lots it doesn't warrant it and, of course, you have to meet the warrant in order to install the
light. So, yes, it would have to come back through hearing and have a traffic analysis in
itself.
Milam: Thank you, Becky.
De Weerd: Any questions from Council?
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: Thank you.
McKay: Thank you.
De Weerd: This is a public hearing on Items 8-C and D. Is there anyone who would like
to provide testimony on these two items?
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: Seeing how nobody wants to testify anymore, I move we close AZ 15-012 and PP
15-012.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to close the public hearings on Items 8-C and
D. All those in favor say aye. All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
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Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we approve AZ 15-012 and to include all staff, applicant, and public
testimony.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-C. I know Becky had
mentioned the signage about the multi-family, that she has done that in the past. I would
like to make sure that's included in --
Bird: And that was included, because she mentioned that she would do it, so -- and my
motion said that.
De Weerd: Okay. Well, just wanted no question on that. Also just that it's noted in the
marketing material. We have seen some of those -- these plats as they are marketing the
single family that it excluded the multi-family and just want to be clear. Any further
discussion from Council? Madam Clerk, will you call roll.
Roll Call: Rountree, yea; Bird, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we have approve PP 15-012 and to include all staff, application, and public
testimony.
Milam: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 8-D. Any discussion by
Council? Madam Clerk, will you call roll.
Roll Call: Rountree, yea; Bird, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
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MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 9: Department Reports
A. Community Development: Discussion and Update on the RFQ's
for Building Inspection Services, Plans Examiner Services
1. Approval of Professional Services Agreement with Idaho
Division of Building Safety for Commercial and Residential
Plans Examiner Services Approved
2. Approval of Professional Services Agreement with Idaho
Division of Building Safety for Building Inspection
Services
De Weerd: Okay. Under Item 9-A, we -- Department Reports. I will turn this over to Mr.
Chatterton.
Chatterton: You could have said Bruce, Madam Mayor, and you would have been right
regardless. Mayor and Council Members, very happy to present to you tonight the results
of our RFQ process for two very important contracts. Building plan review and building
inspection. This process was very competitive. We were really gratified to receive at
least four submissions for each of the contracts and each of the folks putting in
submissions under the RFQ were highly qualified. So, that was a really good result. You
always want to be able to have a -- to be put in a position of making a -- making a hard
choice on something like this. So, the result is we are recommending that you approve a
professional service agreement with both -- for both contracts with the state of Idaho's
Division of Building Safety. We wanted to talk a little bit about the results. From DBS we
expect the -- both the quality and the comprehensiveness, as well as the thoroughness of
the work to approve for plan review and inspection with DBS. We now get full-time
coverage, a full-time presence, where currently we have part time coverage in our office.
It's important to note, though, that this is not a change in our system of using contractors
to perform plan review and inspections. There is no change there. It's simply a change
in the contractor's performing those services for us. As I say, we -- we believe that we are
going to have the -- improve the quality of services, the thoroughness,
comprehensiveness of them, without spending anymore and perhaps saving a bit of
money. Obviously it's -- it's difficult to estimate that, but in terms of the overall numbers
it's looking like we are going to be able to save a bit of money. We have a lot more
information that we could give you. I guess my question is what more would you like to
know about this process. Obviously, the next thing on the agenda is the approval of both
professional service agreements. Ron Whitney with DBS is here in the audience, if you
have any questions for him, and we are expecting this to be the beginning of a -- of a
great relationship -- actually, the continuation of a great relationship, because, as you
know, DBS currently holds the contracts for electrical and mechanical inspections and
review and is performing admirably under those contracts. So, I guess my question for
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you is do you have questions. We certainly can get more down into the details of this if
you wish.
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: Council, any questions?
Bird: I have none.
Cavener: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Cavener.
Cavener: One question, Bruce. When -- when would they begin and if there is any lag or
any wait time, what do we do in the interim?
Chatterton: Madam Mayor, Councilman Cavener, they would begin October 1st and so
there would be no -- no interruption in service. In fact, I understand that DBS has already
ramped up to make sure that they have the boots on the ground as we need them.
Cavener: Great. Excellent. Nice job.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other questions? Mr. Zaremba.
Zaremba: Just -- I think I know the answer to this. We supply space at our facility for
them to work; is that correct? I know they are out -- probably out in the field quite a bit,
but they can do their work here in City hall?
Chatterton: Madam Mayor and Council Member Zaremba, yes, we do provide office
space for them here. We also provide laptops with Accella automation. Very important
for us. But, of course, they have a Meridian office as well. So, they have an additional
backup having an office close by.
Zaremba: Thank you.
Freckleton: Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I just want to maybe add to what
Bruce said. In the area of plans examining for residential and commercial, one of the
enhancements that we are looking at with regard to the office space is that the state of
Idaho has a very robust electronic document review software system that has been very
successful statewide. There is an opportunity to possibly have their plan review services
based out of their Meridian office and we handle the -- the transmission of plans and the
review and comments back to our applicants and that sort of thing electronically. So, very
good chance that the plans examiners will not be in City Hall. However, the inspectors
will. We feel it's very important to have the inspectors here, having the dialogue with our
staff, having the dialogue with the other trade inspectors. It helps bring consistency to our
approach and it just helps with the overall communication in the office, so --
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De Weerd: Thank you, Bruce. Bruces.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: You did a great job on this. I thank you and if we have no more questions, I would
move that we approve the professional services agreement with Idaho Division of Building
Safety for commercial and residential plans examiner services.
Cavener: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 9-A-1. Any discussion?
Madam Clerk, will you call roll.
Roll Call: Rountree, yea; Bird, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Chatterton: Madam Mayor, one final note I should add. I would be remiss if I didn't take
just a moment to knowledge the long service, more than 20 years of Daunt Whitman at
Whitman and Associates. Change can be hard, but we appreciate the dedication of Daunt
and his team over these years. Just thought it was important to -- to remember that.
They have been a big part of our team.
De Weerd: Certainly I would have noted it myself at the end of this item. I do think that
Daunt has been the face of our city for many years and he has given -- he's weathered the
storm with us and certainly the high -- the high -- the high notes as well. But I -- I hope
that there will be a celebration and an opportunity for all of us to come by and give our
respects.
Chatterton: Thank you.
Bird: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mr. Bird.
Bird: I move we approve -- approval of the professional services agreement with Idaho
Division of Building Safety for building inspection services.
Cavener: Second.
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Zaremba: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 9-A-2. Any discussion by
Council?
Bird: I have none.
De Weerd: Madam Clerk.
Roll Call: Rountree, yea; Bird, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
De Weerd: And thank you for the thoughtful process that was put together and insuring
that not only do we get a good value for the money that we do pay, but continue to look at
quality and life safety issues as a priority for the city. So thank you.
Item 10: Ordinances
A. Ordinance No. 15-1660: An Ordinance (AZ 15-007 Sovi
Subdivision) for Annexation and Rezone of a Parcel of Land
Located in the NE ¼ of the NE ¼ of Section 29, Township 3
North, Range 1 East, Boise Meridian, Ada County Idaho
De Weerd: Okay. Item 10-A is Ordinance No. 15-1660. Madam Clerk, I will ask for this
ordinance to be read by title.
Holman: Thank you, Madam Mayor. City of Meridian Ordinance No. 15-1660: An
Ordinance (AZ 15-007 Sovi Subdivision) for Annexation and Rezone of a Parcel of Land
Located in the NE ¼ of the NE ¼ of Section 29, Township 3 North, Range 1 East, Boise
Meridian, Ada County, Idaho, as described in Attachment A. And annexing certain lands and
territory situated in Ada County, Idaho, and adjacent and contiguous to the corporate limits of
the City of Meridian, as requested by the City of Meridian, establishing and determining the
land use zoning classification of said lands from RUT to R-15, Medium High Density
Residential District, in the Meridian City Code. Providing that copies of this ordinance shall be
filed with the Ada County Assessor, the Ada County Recorder, and the Idaho State Tax
Commission as required by law and providing for a summary of the ordinance and providing
for a waiver of the reading rules and providing an effective date .
De Weerd: Thank you. You have heard this ordinance read by title only. Is there anyone
who would like to hear it read in its entirety? I don't see anyone jumping up and down.
Milam: Madam Mayor?
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De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: Seeing none, I move that we approve Ordinance No. 16-1660 with suspension of
rules.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 10-A. Madam Clerk, will you
call roll.
Roll Call: Rountree, yea; Bird, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
B. Ordinance No. 15-1661: An Ordinance (AZ 15-005) Stonesthrow
Subdivision for Annexation and Rezone of a Parcel of Land
Located Approximately ¼ Mile South of E. Fairview Avenue on
the West Side of N. Mount Hood Avenue, in the NE ¼ of Section
9, Township 3N., Range 1E., Boise Meridian, Ada County, Idaho
De Weerd: Item 10-B is Ordinance No. 15-1661. Madam Clerk, will you, please, read this
by title.
Holman: Thank you, Madam Mayor. City of Meridian Ordinance No. 15-1661: An
Ordinance (AZ 15-005) Stonesthrow Subdivision for Annexation and Rezone of a Parcel
of Land situated in the NW 1/4 of the NE 1/of Section 9, Township 3 North, Range 1 East,
Boise, Meridian, Ada County, Idaho, as described in Attachment A and annexing certain
lands and territory situation in Ada County, Idaho, and adjacent and contiguous to the
corporate limits of the City of Meridian, as requested by the City of Meridian, establishing and
determining the land use zoning classification of said lands from RUT to R-40, High Density
Residential District, in the Meridian City Code. Providing that copies of this ordinance shall be
filed with the Ada County Assessor, the Ada County Recorder, and the Idaho State Tax
Commission as required by law and providing for a summary of the ordinance and providing
for a waiver of the reading rules and providing an effective date .
De Weerd: Thank you. You have heard this ordinance read by title only. Is there anyone
who would like to hear it read in its entirety? Seeing none.
Milam: Madam Mayor?
De Weerd: Mrs. Milam.
Milam: I move that we approve Ordinance No. 15-1661 with suspension of rules.
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Bird: Second.
De Weerd: I have a motion and a second to approve Item 10-B. Madam Clerk, will you
call roll.
Roll Call: Rountree, yea; Bird, yea; Zaremba, yea; Borton, absent; Milam, yea; Cavener,
yea.
De Weerd: All ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
Item 11: Future Meeting Topics
De Weerd: Council, under Item 11, the Parks Department has requested that at our next
workshop we have a joint meeting with the parks commission for presentation by Green
Play. We do have our strategic plan presented by the Public Works, as well as some
design standards, so it will be a full workshop, but it will give incentive to end by 5:30
where we could post for a second special meeting with the -- a joint meeting with the
parks department. Anyone have any concern about that?
Bird: I have no problem at all. I think it's great.
De Weerd: Okay. Any other items for consideration under future meeting topics?
Bird: I don't.
De Weerd: Okay. With that I would entertain a motion to adjourn.
Rountree: So moved.
Bird: Second.
De Weerd: All those in favor say aye. All ayes.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. ONE ABSENT.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:34 P.M.
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