2024-02-15
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
City Council Chambers, 33 East Broadway Avenue Meridian, Idaho
Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:00 PM
MINUTES
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
PRESENT
Commissioner Brian Garrett
Commissioner Maria Lorcher
Commissioner Matthew Sandoval
Commissioner Jared Smith
Chairperson Andrew Seal
ABSENT
Commissioner Enrique Rivera
Commissioner Patrick Grace
ADOPTION OF AGENDA Adopted
CONSENT AGENDA \[Action Item\] Approved
Motion made by Commissioner Smith, Seconded by Commissioner Lorcher.
Voting Yea: Commissioner Garrett, Commissioner Lorcher, Commissioner Sandoval,
Commissioner Smith, Chairperson Seal
1. Approve Minutes of the February 1, 2024 Planning and Zoning Meeting
2. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for WaFed (H-2023-0068) by WP5 Meridian,
LLC, located at 3423 E Ustick Rd.
ITEMS MOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA \[Action Item\]
ACTION ITEMS
3. Election of 2024 Commission Chairperson and Vice-Chairperson
Motion to nominate Andrew Seal as Chairperson made by Commissioner Lorcher, Seconded by
Commissioner Smith.
Voting Yea: Commissioner Garrett, Commissioner Lorcher, Commissioner Sandoval,
Commissioner Smith, Chairperson Seal
Motion to nominate Maria Lorcher as Vice-Chairperson by Commissioner Seal. Seconded by
Commissioner Smith.
Voting Yea: Commissioner Garrett, Commissioner Lorcher, Commissioner Sandoval,
Commissioner Smith, Chairperson Seal
4. Public Hearing continued from December 7, 2023 for Blayden Subdivision (H-
2023-0043) by Bailey Engineering, located at the South side of W. Chinden Blvd.
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and west side of N. Black Cat Rd. Continued to April 4, 2024
Applicant Requests Continuance
A. Request: Annexation of 27.36 acres of land with R-15 (4.32 acres), R-40 (16.71
acres) and C-G (6.33 acres) zoning districts.
B. Request: Conditional Use Permit for a multi-family development consisting of
312 dwelling units on 14.92 acres of land in the R-40 zoning district.
C. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 26 building lots and 11 common lots on
24.98 acres of land in the R-15, R-40 and C-G zoning districts.
Motion to continue to April 4th, 2024 made by Commissioner Smith, Seconded by
Commissioner Lorcher.
Voting Yea: Commissioner Garrett, Commissioner Lorcher, Commissioner Sandoval,
Commissioner Smith, Chairperson Seal
5. Public Hearing for Kilgore (H-2023-0063) by Alexi Kilgore, Located at 1105 N.
Meridian Rd. Recommend Approval to City Council
Application Materials: https://bit.ly/H-2023-0063
A. Request: Rezone 0.16 acres of land from the R-4 zoning district to the O-T
zoning district for the purpose of coverting the existing home into a hair salon.
Motion to approve recommendation to Council made by Commissioner Smith, Seconded by
Commissioner Lorcher.
Voting Yea: Commissioner Garrett, Commissioner Lorcher, Commissioner Sandoval,
Commissioner Smith, Chairperson Seal
6. Public Hearing continued from February 01, 2024 for Farmstone Crossing
Subdivision (H-2023-0045) by Bailey Engineering, located at 820 S. Black Cat Rd.
Recommend Approval to City Council
Application Materials: https://bit.ly/H-2023-0045
A. Request: Annexation of 33.893 acres of land from RUT to the M-E (Mixed
Employment) zoning district.
B. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 6 buildable lots on 27.59 acres of land in
the proposed M-E (Mixed Employment) zoning district.
Motion to approve recommendation to council made by Commissioner Lorcher, Seconded by
Commissioner Smith.
Voting Yea: Commissioner Garrett, Commissioner Lorcher, Commissioner Sandoval,
Commissioner Smith, Chairperson Seal
7. Public Hearing for Reveille Ridge Subdivision (H-2023-0050) by Bailey
Engineering, generally located on the west side of S. Eagle Rd., approximately 1/2
mile south of E. Lake Hazel Rd. Recommend Approval to City Council
Application Materials: https://bit.ly/H-2023-0050
A. Request: Annexation of 59.97 acres of land with an R-8 (34.69 acres) and R-15
(25.28 acres) zoning districts.
B. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 247 building lots and 37 common lots on
59.77 acres of land in the R-8 and R-15 zoning districts.
Motion to approve recommendation to council made by Commissioner Lorcher, Seconded by
Commissioner Sandoval.
Voting Yea: Commissioner Lorcher, Commissioner Sandoval, Commissioner Smith,
Chairperson Seal
DEPARTMENT REPORTS
8. Overview of Planning and Zoning Commission Best Practices
ADJOURNMENT 9:49 P.M.
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Meridian Planning and Zoning Meeting February 15, 2024.
Meeting of the Meridian Planning and Zoning Commission of February 15, 2024, was
called to order at 6:00 p.m. by Chairman Andrew Seal.
Members Present: Commissioner Andrew Seal, Commissioner Maria Lorcher,
Commissioner Jared Smith, Commissioner Brian Garrett and Commissioner Matthew
Sandoval.
Members Absent: Commissioner Patrick Grace and Commissioner Enrique Rivera.
Others Present: Chris Johnson, Tina Lomeli, Kurt Starman, Caleb Hood, Bill Parsons,
Sonya Allen, Stacy Hersh and Dean Willis.
ROLL-CALL ATTENDANCE
_X Brian Garrett X Maria Lorcher
_X Matthew Sandoval Patrick Grace
Enrique Rivera X Jared Smith
X Andrew Seal - Chairman
Seal: Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Planning and Zoning Commission
meeting for February 15th, 2024. At this time I would like to call the meeting to order.
The Commissioners who are present for this evening's meeting are at City Hall. We
also have staff from the city attorney and clerk's offices, as well as city planning
department. If you are joining us on Zoom this evening we can see that you are here.
You may be -- you may observe the meeting. However, your ability to be seen on
screen and talk will be muted. During the public testimony portion of the meeting you
will be unmuted and, then, be able to comment. Please note that we do not take
questions until the public testimony portion. If you have a process question during the
meeting, please, e-mail cityclerk@meridiancity.org and they will reply as quickly as
possible. And with that let's begin with roll call. Madam Clerk.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Seal: And this evening we have two new commissioners that are with us for the first
time. So, Commissioner Sandoval and Commissioner Garrett, welcome. First item --
so -- and for that the first item on the agenda is the adoption of the agenda. Blayden
Subdivision, which is File No. H-2023-0043, will be opened for the purpose of continuing
to a regularly scheduled meeting. It will be opened for that purpose only. So, if you are
here to testify on that file tonight we will not be taking public testimony. And with that
can I get a motion to adopt the agenda?
Smith: So moved.
Lorcher: Second.
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Seal: It's been moved and seconded to adopt the agenda. All in favor, please, say aye.
Opposed nay? The agenda is adopted.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
1. Approve Minutes of the February 1, 2024 Planning and Zoning
Meeting
2. Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for WaFed (H-2023-0068) by
WP5 Meridian, LLC, located at 3423 E Ustick Rd.
Seal: The Consent Agenda. We have -- oh, my notes are wrong. We have two items
on the Consent Agenda. First is to approve the minutes of the February 1st, 2024,
meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission. Second is Finding of -- Findings of
Facts, Conclusions of Law for WaFed, File No. H-2023-0068. Can I get a motion to
accept the Consent -- Consent Agenda as presented?
Smith: So moved.
Lorcher: Second.
Seal: It's been and seconded to approve the Consent Agenda. All in favor, please, say
aye. Opposed nay? All right. Consent Agenda is approved.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
ITEMS MOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA [Action Item]
ACTION ITEMS
3. Election of 2024 Commission Chairperson and Vice-Chairperson
Seal: Okay. With that we have the election of the 2024 Commission chair and vice-
chair.
Lorcher: Mr. Chair?
Seal: As I say, this is always -- this is always awkward, because there is -- there is
already -- we are already in the positions and I think -- unless anybody's wants to step
up and we will probably retain those positions. But we do have to nominate and elect.
Lorcher: Mr. Chair. I nominate Andy Seal, yourself, as continuing as chair.
Smith: Second.
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Seal: I have been nominated to continue as chair. All in favor, please, say aye.
Opposed nay? I guess I'm locked in for another year.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Seal: And I will nominate Commissioner Lorcher to continue as vice-chair for 2024.
Smith: I will second that.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to continue Commissioner Lorcher as vice-chair.
All in favor, please, say aye. Opposed nay? They got you, too.
Lorcher: Do I vote for myself?
Seal: You can.
Lorcher: Oh, then I say aye.
Seal: Okay.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Seal: All right. Congratulations. I think. All right. And with that I would like to briefly
explain the public hearing process. We will open each item individually and begin with
the staff report. Staff will report their findings on how the item adheres to our
Comprehensive Plan and Unified Development Code. After staff has made their
presentation the applicant will come forward to present their case and respond to staff
comments. They will have 15 minutes to do so. After the applicant is finished we will
open the floor to public testimony. Each person will be called on only once during the
public testimony portion. The Clerk will call the names individually of those who have
signed up in advance to testify. You will need to state your name and address for the
record. You will have three minutes to address the Commission. If you have previously
sent pictures or a presentation for the meeting that will be displayed on the screen and
you will be able to run the presentation with assistance from the Clerk if needed. If you
have established you are speaking on behalf of a larger group, like an HOA, where
others from that group will allow you to speak on their behalf, you will have up to ten
minutes. After all those who have signed up in advance have spoken, we will invite any
others who may wish to testify. When you are finished if the Commission does not have
questions for you you will return to your seat in Chambers or be muted on Zoom and no
longer have the ability to speak. And, please, remember that we generally do not call
people back up. After all testimony has been heard the applicant will be given another
ten minutes to come back and respond. When the applicant has finished responding to
questions and concerns, we will close the public hearing and Commissioners will have
the opportunity to discuss and hopefully be able to make final decisions or
recommendations to City Council as needed.
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4. Public Hearing continued from December 7, 2023 for Blayden
Subdivision (H-2023-0043) by Bailey Engineering, located at the
South side of W. Chinden Blvd. and west side of N. Black Cat Rd.
A. Request: Annexation of 27.36 acres of land with R-15 (4.32 acres),
R-40 (16.71 acres) and C-G (6.33 acres) zoning districts.
B. Request: Conditional Use Permit for a multi-family development
consisting of 312 dwelling units on 14.92 acres of land in the R-40
zoning district.
C. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 26 building lots and 11
common lots on 24.98 acres of land in the R-15, R-40 and C-G
zoning districts.
Seal: So, at this time I would like to open File No. H-2023-0043, Blayden Subdivision,
for a continuance to April 4th, 2021.
Smith: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Go ahead.
Smith: I move that we continue File No. H-2023-0043 to the hearing for April 4th.
Lorcher: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to continue File No. H-2023 0043 for Blayden
Subdivision to the date of April 4th, 2024. All in favor, please, say aye. Opposed nay?
The application is continued.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
5. Public Hearing for Kilgore (H-2023-0063) by Alexi Kilgore, Located at
1105 N. Meridian Rd.
A. Request: Rezone 0.16 acres of land from the R-4 zoning district to
the O-T zoning district for the purpose of converting the existing
home into a hair salon.
Seal: And with that we will -- I would like to open the public hearing for File No. H-2023-
0063 for Kilgore and we will begin with the staff report.
Hersh: Good evening, Mr. Chair and Commissioners. The applicant has submitted an
application for a rezone. The site consists of 0.34 acres of land, currently zoned R-4,
located at 1105 North Meridian Road and staff would like to mention as part of the legal
description for the posting for this Planning and Zoning Commission meeting there was
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an incorrect error made, stating that the property was 0.16 acres and when -- to the
center of the road line it's 0.34, which is what has actually been rezoned. So, I just
wanted to mention that and that is going to be corrected for the City Council meeting.
Seal: Okay. Thank you.
Hersh: History on the property is none. The Comprehensive FLUM designation is Old
Town. The applicant is requesting to rezone 0.34 acres of land from R-4 to OT to
operate a personal service for a hair salon on the subject property. A legal description
and exhibit map for the rezone area are included. The property is within the city's area
of impact boundary. The proposed 1,193 square foot hair salon will be located in the
downtown area within the Meridian Urban Renewal District. The building was built in
1948 and is slated for further improvements to meet city code requirements, enhance
the customer experience. The rear porch will be expanded to include an ADA ramp and
the applicant will be required to pave the alley adjacent to the property. Additionally,
five parking stalls are proposed to be paved adjacent to the alley. Hours of operation
that are being proposed are Tuesday through Saturday, 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Due to
the size of the development staff believes a DA should not be required. Dimensional
standards. The existing home meets all the dimensional standards. Access is provided
via an alleyway to the north from West Washington Street. The public street to the
south of this property is West Carlton Avenue, which operates as a one way only
leading eastward towards North Meridian Road. The existing home has unpaved
parking off the alleyway with space for up to five parking stalls. This is current -- there is
currently no off-street parking on this site. The applicant is required to pave both the
alley and the five proposed parking stalls within the development of the site upon
submittal of the future certificate of zoning compliance application. And wheel restraints
should be added to prevent overhang beyond the designated parking stall dimensions in
accordance with the UDC. Additionally, ACHD recommends paving the entire width of
the alley from the edge of the pavement from Carleton Avenue to the site's northern
property line and providing a 20 foot -- 20 feet of backup area for any parking. The alley
should be signed with no parking signs. Old Town is classified as a traditional
neighborhood zoning district and no off-street parking is required for a lawfully existing
structure and unless an addition occurs per the UDC. No additions are proposed with
this project, except for expanding the rear entry area. The applicant is providing the five
parking stalls off the alley, which meets the required number of off-street parking, as two
are only required per the UDC for the traditional neighborhood district. A minimum of
one bike -- bicycle parking space is required to be provided. The site plan does not
include the bicycle racks. The -- the applicant shall revise the plans and include a
bicycle rack and submit a detail of that rack with the CZC submittal. There is an existing
seven foot wide attached sidewalk on North Meridian Road along the existing property
frontage. Staff does not recommend any additional changes to the frontage
improvements. The applicant is proposing installation a four foot wide sidewalk along
the southern boundary of the site extending from the parking stalls to the main entrance.
All sidewalks around buildings and serving public streets shall be a minimum of five feet
in accordance with the UDC. Both ACHD and staff recommend that the applicant
construct a five foot wide detached sidewalk abutting the site along West Carleton
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Avenue connecting to the sidewalk along North Meridian Road. Additionally, staff
recommends that the applicant remove the four foot sidewalk proposed on the south
side of the property boundary and add a five foot sidewalk in front of the entire parking
area. Staff strongly encourages the applicant to include a parkway along West -- West
Carleton Avenue with trees, bushes, lawn or other vegetative cover in accordance with
the UDC. Staff recommends that the applicant connect to the sidewalk -- proposed
sidewalk at the main entrance of the building to this -- to the required sidewalk along
West Carlton Avenue. This may require the removal of a section of the fencing on the
south side of the property. The applicant intends to remove the existing fencing on the
west side of the property adjacent to the stalls. As mentioned, a portion of the fencing
on the south side of the property should be removed to accommodate the pedestrian
walkway to the main entrance of the building. The existing fencing around a small patio
and the front yard does -- does not comply with the fencing requirements, as the
maximum height for a front yard fence is three feet for closed vision -- vision fences and
four feet for open vision fences. No additional fencing is proposed. Staff recommends
that the applicant remove the existing fencing surrounding the front yard patio with
fencing that would comply with the UDC code or they just can remove the fencing and
not install additional fencing. Conceptual building elevations and perspectives were
submitted to the -- for the existing structure. The building consists of siding, facia,
asphalt roof shingles and new wood deck with railing and ADA wrap -- ADA ramp in the
rear. Only new additions to the structure is the rear entry and the proposed elevations
are not approved with this application. However, the applicant will be required to submit
a design review application and -- and comply with the architectural standards manual,
but full compliance with the ASTM standards is not required, because it's the limited
scope of work for the project. Written testimony is none. Staff does recommend
approval for the rezone from R-4 to Old Town with the conditions listed in the staff
report and the findings. Staff stands for any questions.
Seal: Thank you very much. Would the applicant like come forward? Is the applicant
here? Oh. Good evening. Just need your name and address for the record, please.
Kilgore: My name is Reed Kilgore. I live in Kuna at 1046 South Red Sand Avenue.
Seal: Thank you. Tell us about your application. Anything that you would like us to
know or --
Kilgore: Not a lot. She spoke of everything that we are planning to do. This is my wife
Lexie sitting down over there. Bought this little house in Meridian. We would like to turn
it into a hair salon.
Seal: Okay.
Kilgore: Not going to change too much about the building. We think it's cute the way
that it is and want to keep it as original as possible.
Seal: Okay. Appreciate that. Commissioners, do you have any questions?
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Smith: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Go right ahead.
Smith: Just to double check, do you have any concerns or any issues with any of staff's
recommendations or requirements?
Kilgore: No.
Smith: Thank you.
Seal: Ms. Lorcher, do you have anything? No? All right. With that do we have
anybody signed up to testify?
Lomeli: No. Just the applicants are on the list.
Seal: Okay. Anybody else in Chambers? I don't know if anybody else is online.
Anybody else in Chambers want to testify? Usually I would have you sit down, but we
might make this quick. But nobody in Chambers is raising their hand. We have nobody
else online. Nothing further to add? All right. With that I will take a motion to close the
public testimony portion for File No. H-2023-0063.
Smith: So moved.
Lorcher: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to close the public hearing for File No. H-2023-
0063. All in favor, please, say aye. Opposed nay? The public hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Seal: Who would like to make the first comments?
Lorcher: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher, go right ahead.
Lorcher: Since the applicant doesn't have any problems with amending the sidewalks
and the alley that serves as a perfect use to change to Old Town and Meridian Road,
I'm happy to see that we keep an old house still there and that -- not try to change it too
much.
Seal: Yeah. I agree with that. I like the fact that it's going to stay Old Town, kind of that
familiar look and feel, so don't have to give up too much to do that there, which is good.
So, hopefully, the fencing can be reutilized somewhere, so that's -- yeah. That was
about the only remark I was going to make on it. I think this is a, you know, good fit for
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that area myself, so -- new Commissioners, do we have any comments? None? All
right. With that anymore comments or a motion?
Smith: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Smith, go ahead.
Smith: After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to recommend
approval to the City Council of File No. H-2023-0063 as presented in the staff report
with no modifications.
Lorcher: Second.
Seal: All right. It's been moved and seconded to approve File No. H-2023-0063 for
Kilgore. All in favor, please, say aye. Opposed nay? The application is approved.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
6. Public Hearing continued from February 01, 2024 for Farmstone
Crossing Subdivision (H-2023-0045) by Bailey Engineering, located
at 820 S. Black Cat Rd.
A. Request: Annexation of 33.893 acres of land from RUT to the M-E
(Mixed Employment) zoning district.
B. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 6 buildable lots on 27.59
acres of land in the proposed M-E (Mixed Employment) zoning
district
Seal: All right. With that -- thank you very much. I would like to open File No. H-2023-
0045 for Farmstone Crossing Subdivision and we will begin with the staff report. Or
should I say we will finally begin with the staff report.
Hersh: Mr. Chair, Commissioners, the applicant has submitted applications for
annexation and preliminary plat for Farmstone Crossing Subdivision. The site consists
of 33.89 acres of land currently zoned RUT in Ada county, located at 820 Black Cat
Road. There is currently no history on the property. The Comprehensive Plan FLUM
designation is mixed employment. The applicant is requesting annexation of 33.89
acres. Again, from RUT to ME zoning. The development abuts mixed use employment
designated to the east and borders 1-84 to the south. The development is proposed to
have access to a collector street as desired and medium high density residential uses
are proposed to the north and light industrial to the west. Allowed uses in the ME
district consists of offices, medical centers, research and development facilities and light
industrial and ancillary support services. The areas intended to develop with
approximately 378,360 square feet encompassing various potential uses like office, light
industrial operations, flex space and research and development components, such as
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distribution and light manufacturing. The inclusion of loading docks on the elevations
for the proposed flex buildings implies that all the intended uses are primarily related to
distribution and warehousing, which requires a conditional use permit in the ME zoning
district. The proposed preliminary plat consists of six building lots and one common lot
on 27.59 acres of land in the ME zoning district for Farmstone Crossing Subdivision.
The subdivision is proposed to develop in two phases as shown on the preliminary plat.
Staff recommends that the collector street, which will be Vanguard Way, be constructed
prior to development commencing on the property. Additionally, the first phase of
develop -- development should encompass the construction of both the ten foot
detached sidewalks along South Black Cat Road and Vanguard Way, including the
entire street buffers. The second phase of development should encompass the
completion of the remaining ten foot pathway along the 1-84 interstate. According to the
GIS imagery, there is an existing home and other historic outbuildings adjacent to Black
Cat Road that will be removed upon development of this subdivision. Staff
recommends that the applicant preserve some elements of the historic buildings. The
applicant presented their proposed plan for the existing silos to the Historic Preservation
Commission on January 25th with the following options: Option one involves careful
disassembling and storage of the structure with the intention to find an interested
agency that may preserve the silo on another site. An agency would need to be
identified before disassembly or prior to the commencement of the road. Alternatively, if
no interest -- interested agency is identified prior to the commencement of the road
construction, then, option two entails utilizing some materials from the silo in the
construction of the monument. The meeting conducted with the Historic Preservation
Commission expressing preference to recommending to the Planning and Zoning
Commission that both existing silos be disassembled and reassembled at yet to be
determined future location. It was emphasized that the specifics of the location be
clarified prior to disassembly and the new site would need to be determined within a
reasonable period of time. As an alternative proposal the Commission advocates for
the creation of a scale replica of the facilities on the current site. The Historic
Preservation Commission wishes to review the details of the proposed monument with
the initial certificate of zoning compliance submittal for the site. Additionally, the Historic
Preservation Commission wishes to retain the ability to provide comments on the final
proposed monument presented by the applicant. As part of the first phase of the
development all existing structures that do not conform to the district setbacks must be
removed, except for those agreed upon for the historic preservation. The proposed
preliminary plat appears to comply with the dimensional standards of the district.
Access is proposed -- proposed to be provided from the northern boundary of the site
from the extension of Vanguard Way to Black Cat Road to the west. Vanguard Way is
designed as a collector street in accordance with the master street map and the
transportation system in the Ten Mile area plan. A driveway is proposed adjacent to the
property to the east for future extension. Vanguard Way should be constructed in
accordance with Street Section C, which is in the Ten Mile area plan, which requires
two 11 foot travel lanes, six foot bike lanes, eight foot parkways, with streetlights at
pedestrian scale and a minimum of six foot wide detached sidewalks. The applicant
proposes a modification of the street section to include a ten foot wide detached
sidewalk, pathways in lieu of on-street bike lanes, which is required by ACHD as set
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forth in the master pathways plan. Prior to submitting the final plat the applicant shall
coordinate with the property owner to the north and the east to construct Vanguard Way
and deed the right of way to ACHD. The applicant should ensure that the intersection of
Vanguard Way and South Black Cat Road aligns with the entrance of the Black Cat
industrial project on the west side of South Black Cat Road. The applicant is proposing
two curb cuts off a Vanguard Way, the planned collector street in the Ten Mile area. In
accordance with the UDC multiple accesses off of arterial or collector roadways shall be
restricted. The applicant has chosen to eliminate the curb cut aligned with the proposed
subdivision to the north and has, instead, opted for the one closest to the intersection of
Black Cat Road. Typically staff recommends that the curb cuts align directly across
roadways. However, staff supports the offset change given that the entrance effectively
highlights the features of the proposed plaza provided it adheres to ACHD's
requirements. Additionally the applicant has proposed establishing a shared access on
the east side of the site in collaboration with the property owner to the east intended for
the future access. Ten foot multi-use pathways are proposed on the site in accordance
with the pathways master plan. One segment follows Vanguard Way across the
northern portion of the site. One segment runs along the southern boundary within the
street buffer along 1-84 and the other segment runs along the west side of the site
adjacent to South Black Cat Road to the plaza on the north. The proposed pathway is
intended to cross the drive aisle between buildings one and two that are proposed.
Staff recommends removing the loading docks for the rear of buildings one and two to
mitigate potential conflicts between pedestrians using the pathway and delivery trucks
accessing that area. All proposed sidewalks and pedestrian walkways look to meet the
UDC code requirements within this proposed development. A minimum of 25 foot wide
street buffers are required along arterial streets, which would be South Black Cat Road
and commercial districts and a 20 foot wide street buffer is required on all collector
streets, which would be the Vanguard Way. The buffer may be placed in an easement
rather than in common lot according to the UDC. A minimum of a 50 wide street buffer
is required along 1-84 landscaped per the standards in the UDC, which requires a
variety of trees, shrubs, lawn and other vegetative ground cover. The proposed
dimensions appear to meet the requirements of the UDC. However, there is a lack of
combination of planters, which would be shrubs and rock mulch with the buffer along
Vanguard. The applicant has provided 52 trees and only 34 are required along
Vanguard. Staff does recommend the applicant enhance the street buffer by removing
some of the trees and incorporating additional planters instead. Landscape buffers
along Black Cat Road adjacent to the open drainage swale lacks vegetation in front of
the ten foot pathway not meeting the UDC requirements. The applicant -- the applicant
is proposing a plaza area between buildings one and buildings two featuring benches, a
pergola, landscaping and potential historic monument of the existing silo on that site.
The applicant should revise the landscape plan to reflect landscaping within the buffers
along Black Cat Road and the drainage swale in front of the ten foot pathway in
accordance with the UDC. To improve the integration of this property with the
neighboring ME zoned property to the east staff encourages the applicant to consider
removing the entire landscape buffer along the east side and coordinate alignment of
parking with the adjacent property owner. This would facilitate shared access to the
east and improve integration with the property -- eastern property. All fencing that is
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proposed for this site meets UDC code. Off-street vehicle parking is required for the
proposed commercial subdivision as set forth in the UDC. Based on approximately
378,360 square feet of proposed floor space a minimum of 757 off-street parking
spaces are required. A total of 764 off-street parking spaces are proposed, so seven
additional than what's required. Based on the 764 spaces a minimum of 31 bicycle
spaces are required to be provided. None are proposed. Bicycle facilities should
comply with the standards in the UDC. Bike racks should be provided as close as
possible to each building entrance totaling 31 spaces or in a designated area within the
plaza. Staff is recommending the removal of the loading docks at the rear of buildings
one and two, which would create additional parking. Staff recommends the applicant
submit revised plans incorporating the aforementioned with the CZC application. The
applicant has submitted conceptual building elevations for the proposed flexible
buildings and light industrial. Building materials consist of horizontal metal Hardie board
plank siding and white wood color stucco in dark and light gray colors. Metal awnings.
Gray wrapped cornice molding. The proposed conceptual plans are not approved.
Final design must comply with the design standards in the architectural standards
manual and the design -- design guidelines in the Ten Mile area plan for the commercial
designation. A certificate of zoning compliance and design review application is
required to be submitted for the approval of a site building design prior to submittal of
building permit applications. There are no written testimony for this property -- or this
project and staff does recommend approval of the annexation and preliminary plat per
the conditions of the staff report and the findings and that concludes staff's presentation
and will stand for any questions.
Seal: Thank you very much. Would the applicant like to come forward? Good evening.
Bailey: Good evening. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. My name is David
Bailey with Bailey Engineering. My office address is 1119 East State Street in Eagle,
representing Trilogy Development for this development Farmstone Crossing. Thanks,
Stacy, for a very complete report and as we all know we have diverged a few times,
because we have got some serious history here. We have actually been working on
this for about -- almost three years now to get it to this point to deal with the pieces we
are looking at. So can I get my presentation? Okay. So, Farmstone Crossing
Subdivision -- and as Stacy said, the project is located north and west a Black Cat Road
and 1-84. There is an out parcel in the -- in the southwest corner there and that's an ITD
storm drainage pond. It will stay there, so it's not to be developed -- it won't be
developed in the future. To the north of us is the proposed Avani Subdivision, which I
think was before the Commission here just a week or so ago or two weeks, then, is
headed for the City Council I would assume. To the east of us is the Vanguard
Subdivision and that property is owned by Adler and they are actually working on the
development plans for that and bringing sewer down there now from the north from
Baraya and working on the design plans for the Vanguard Street to our eastern
boundary and I will talk a little bit more about that later. To the west is that the -- Black
Cat is an industrial subdivision that was approved over there. I believe there is one of
the hospitals -- I think it's St. Al's sundries center is going to be a pretty significant
operation they got and, then, they have got a variety of uses to the west here that all fit
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within the same zone, although they are not in the Ten Mile plan area. They were very
consistent and they are well underway on construction. So, they are zoned ME to the
west. We are proposing a mixed employment zone. Same to the east. To the north is
medium high residential and to the northwest as that light industrial from the -- from your
future land use map. The zoning we are proposing is ME within the -- within the area
there and applies to the Ten Mile plan. A lot of discussion on the silo and, actually,
that's been a lot of the pieces that we have worked on as we have gone along there.
So, we have been aware, you know, from the time we have made the application and
prior to that that there is -- this historic silo is on the site and -- I think we have got a
good picture of it here to start with. Yep. So, there are actually -- this silo and, then,
there is a tall -- much taller one that's on the site. They were documented by the -- by
the -- I think it's by the city's or by the County Historical Preservation Society. It is
eligible for registry on the national register, but is not registered in any areas. I don't
have an official, you know, historic designation from that case, but we understand the
importance of it and I understand it was as a granary and I'm not the expert on it,
although we have got a lot of experts we have talked to about it. It was a granary that
stored the grain in the sides and, then, provided a beating area within it. So, there is an
enclosed building there. Those silos on the side are made from these blocks that were
built in the early 1900s that have kind of an S shape at the bottom and top, so they are
kind of keystone shaped and they were stacked and, then, wrapped with steel rods to
hold those things in place together and they are poured on top of a concrete foundation.
I'm an engineer, so I got to talk about the structural, you know, side of things as we go
along. There was a poured concrete foundation underneath this that's there and they
were stacked and put on top of that, but there is no -- the structural is just by them being
held together by those bands and, then, that's a wooden roof that's built on cross -- on
top of there and across and a wooden building in between. I don't think I have a picture
with me, but it does stick out the back side of this a little bit. I guess I'm assuming this is
the front and, again, I'm an engineer, so I do dirt, so I'm not really that great with
buildings, but that's my understanding that this is the front and the look of this. So, it
has some distinct features to it. Apparently these were somewhat common in the
midwest in the early 1900s and that some of them were brought over this direction or
constructed additionally in this direction. We have met several times on the site with --
with Blaine Johnston who is here. I'm sure he has some comments for you tonight.
And engaged TAG Historical and as Barbara Bower and she brought in Fred Critchfield,
who does artistic renderings of -- of this type of stuff and, then, we intend -- we intended
to have them do the documentation of the historical piece here and -- from the very
beginning and to create a monument sign of some sort that we had had Critchfield work
on it and we built. I will go into a little bit of that further later on, you know, as we show
you what we are proposing on here. So, as of -- and prior to that we had gone through
and -- and looked at the location of it. We have tried to move the street around some
with this thing and incorporate it into the site on here and as we have gone along ACHD
approved the project to the left, Vanguard is where it is, and this -- the silo ends up
being really dead in the right of way for Vanguard Street. So, the -- the location across
to the west was approved with the subdivision there. The location of Vanguard to the
east is here. We have met -- reached out to the highway district again and said could
we move that to the north? We have talked to the neighbor -- to Conger Development
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to the north of Avani and they were somewhat agreeable to moving in this stub. They
wanted to talk about it. And, in fact, right now the -- in accordance with the conditions
there that -- that this developer and Conger and the developer to the east do have a -- I
think they call it a letter of intent or -- or -- or a memorandum of agreement of some sort
to actually build Vanguard and the design of Vanguard is underway by -- not my
engineering firm, but I think that Ardurra is actually doing the design on that -- on that
road there and they are in design work on this and they are intended to get this built. It
needs to be built for Vanguard to continue from the east and continue out to Black Cat
and to provide access to the property on the west side here and so, you know, it's well
underway heading that direction and so the condition to build Vanguard before we
develop our property is certainly consistent with what we want to do and -- and -- and
that's going to get built. Unfortunately, that's right in the middle of the road and so our
take is that it has to come down, right, and it has to be moved, of course. We engaged
Pacific Movers back very early in the beginning, asked them can we move this, right,
and they -- they declined to provide us a bid to do that. They said it couldn't be moved
without damaging the structure and coming apart. We had a structural engineer
evaluate it and the structural engineer, Sage Engineering, has a letter on the file that
says we could -- if it were to remain in the same spot we could fortify the inside of that --
that silo and probably have it be a safe structure to remain in the same spot, but in order
to move it they thought that it would have to be disassembled in order to move the
structure and pour a new foundation for it to move the structure from the site. When we
went to Historical Commission -- I don't want to run out of time here, because I do want
to talk about the project, too. We got a recommendation from a member of the -- from
Ken Freeze on your Historical Commission to engage Kelly Moving also and they have
been out there once. Not sure what they could do. They have been out there again for
another evaluation to see if they could possibly move it. But, you know, when you move
a house you jack up the house and, then, you pour a foundation you put it back down
on that this. Can't be moved that way. They would have to jack up the entire
foundation and, then, they would have to figure out how to put it back down and keep it
safe in the meantime moving it that way. We don't know the exact final answer, but I
suspected it can't be -- it can't be moved in that way. So, we propose that we take it
apart there. We have not proposed -- and we are not proposing at any point along the
way that we -- that we preserve or move the taller silo that's to the east of this. It's not a
significant -- it's not of the same historical significance as the double silo and it's not
practical to move and so that's not part of our discussion on that, although I think it was
involved partially in the recommendation from your Historical Commission on that piece
of it. So, our take now is we would like to take it down and -- and move it if we have
somewhere to be identified where it's going to go to. We don't want to destroy anything
in the process of that. So, our site -- we don't think it's really appropriate on our site to
rebuild it there on our site and we would prefer to provide a pretty substantial monument
using some of the site materials, using some of the materials there, so to preserve that
history, it would preserve a board on that and build that piece of it. So, I will kind of
jump -- jump ahead there. So, this is probably round three and there is probably seven
rounds of-- of design on this monument before we get there. But the idea is to keep the
look of that, some structural size. The monument in the center would be professionally
produced and we had photos of this and all the entire history. We have documented a
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monument for the site. There would be a plaza around it. It would be in our central
gathering area there and the size and the materials and that we fully expect that we will
go through your Historical Commission and do that at the CZC point that we would have
that approved by the city before we would build that monument. On the project the
preliminary plat, as Stacy said -- I don't want to jump on that a whole lot more. I will
bring out here that I think there is some confusion. We don't have any loading docks
proposed on any of the buildings except for building six, the distribution and
manufacturing potential building. Those things that are drawn on there are actually
parking spots with landscaping next to them. So, we don't object to any of the
conditions, you know, about removing the loading docks. We didn't have those
intended there. Those are intended to be flex spaces. They are used by a plumbing
supplier or a contractor. They have offices in the front. They have a warehouse in the
back. The little -- little squares that are shown there are just a single overhead door for
the back of those. So, they be light industrial, you know, supply contractor type spaces
and they work out pretty well in that area. So, they look really nice to be on that. They
would be fairly tall as you saw on the renderings and they could have upstairs office
space as well associated with that. Essential gathering plaza we have here and we
have moved this around a couple times and this here allows us to keep this next to this
pathway. This connects the pathway from 1-84 all the way along and connects back to
Vanguard and, then, this path continues to the west. As Stacy stated, we -- we would
like to have that ten foot multi-use pathway along the south side of that. You know, we
are going with what ACHD said for the road section and what they are building to the
east. We are fine with whatever road section is appropriate for that. We do have all
these turn lanes and everything we have to build at that intersection there as well
associated -- not -- no problem with that. The access here -- and we have worked with
the neighbor next door and they have this plan in their design thing there to do the two
accesses to the site and they do meet the offsets of -- of the -- of the highway district on
that. So, we are fine with all the ACHD conditions on this. We are fine with all the city's
conditions on this -- you know, everything in there. I understand there is some tweaks
to the landscape plan and we will bring those in with the -- with the final plat, you know,
and meet the city's requirements associated with those. So, a few changes as we have
gone along, but we really think this meets the requirements and we think that there is a
-- there is a possible solution for the silo, but we really can't get anywhere until we move
this thing forward and get it -- get around to designing it and seeing what we can really
do on that. So, we are requesting your approval of it. So, the pathways I already talked
about. And, then, we showed the renderings of the buildings on here. We agree to all
the conditions of approval and we are requesting your approval of this, so we can move
this forward and get this thing taken care of. I would be glad to stand for any questions.
Seal: Thank you, David. Commissioners, do you have any questions?
Bailey: Am I close?
Seal: Oh, you are well -- you are well within. You can ramble for a couple more
minutes.
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Bailey: No. I'm good.
Seal: Any questions?
Lorcher: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher, go ahead.
Lorcher: So, in the staff report there were two very vague comments and so I just want
to kind of get an idea. So, the next steps after Planning and Zoning is, obviously, go to
City Council, but to move the silos would be a commencement of road construction. So,
if you get approval within the next, you know, 90 days from City Council what -- what's
your -- what's your tentative time plan as far as commencement of road construction for
Vanguard? Do you see it in 2024? Are you looking more at 2025?
Bailey: So, this developer wouldn't be able to move forward fast enough to develop that
and doesn't have, you know, the use for the build out of this. So, the construction of
Vanguard is going to happen as a group effort of the Vanguard development, the Avani
and this development here --
Lorcher: Okay.
Bailey: -- and move together with those. Like I said, someone else is doing that design.
As far as I know both the city and everybody at Ten Mile and your new vertical BVA joint
venture that's going into the east of this and everybody to the west wants this thing built
yesterday.
Lorcher: Okay.
Bailey: Right? So, probably this developer is the least anxious to build Vanguard. That
said, you know, I think it's probably going to -- probably going to be under construction
and open next year. I would say in 2025. That's my guess.
Lorcher: Okay.
Bailey: They want it.
Lorcher: They want it done.
Bailey: Uh-huh.
Lorcher: And I guess the next question is that the comment of a new site would be
determined within a reasonable amount of time. So, we are talking about the same
thing, right, because it's in the middle of the road, so the road can't be -- can't be
created until that's done. Have you -- have you even reached out to people who are
interested in this historical silo?
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Bailey: So, if we could identify somebody, you know -- again, been with the Historical
Commission and we are not the people who are going to reach out to somebody, but we
have agreed that we will -- the road group -- if -- if we get approved now you have got a
condition that makes us disassemble that and hold it for somebody for a reasonable
amount of time. Right? And so when that time is I don't know how we fix that. But I do
know we can catch us right -- right here and get a condition on there that it will get
disassembled, right, at a minimum, right, before that road gets built and I'm sure that
you could probably also go through, you know, ACHD or whatever or the Historical
Commission and say even if this developer gets denied we still want to save that thing,
right, and -- and they are still going to build that road, so we are kind of on the side a
little bit, except for the idea that if -- if you put a condition on us, now you have -- now
you have got that in place, right, to get that disassembled. When that will happen,
what's a reasonable amount of time -- what we propose is that this all has to be
resolved by the time we get to CZC, because we are going to propose at CZC that we
build this monument in place of what's going on there and it's my impression that
regardless of the -- of the -- I don't get to tell everything that gets done, but I have here
of some people who do things; right? It's my impression that regardless of whether
someone else takes that silo or not, we are still building a monument in our thing that
will include this sign in the center; right? And so I will probably get in trouble for saying
that, but if that's a condition of it that we build -- we build our monument, you know, in
there regardless of that and get that approved at CZC, I wouldn't object to that; right?
And that makes it -- and we really think it's appropriate. This is an industrial area; right?
And so we are not -- or, you know, heavy commercial area. We are not seeing a whole
lot of foot traffic here. This is not going to be open for people to look at, you know, or
see a lot, but we can get it an area here and if we had a -- a board in there that's
preserved that history, you know, in a professional manner, you know, I think SHPO has
been out there as well, too, you know, but we would have a professional do that
documentation and preserve that, you know, on -- on a monument sign there that I think
we might do better on or to the -- to the silo than just the silo sitting out there and where
if we built the road around it or something, you know, in that case, so --
Lorcher: Well, I guess the truest thing I have ever heard and the saddest thing I have
ever heard is that it doesn't matter what was there before, nobody will remember
anyway, and so a negotiator for the impact area of Highway 16 said it doesn't matter
what was there, nobody's going to remember and that's the sad part of our development
in Meridian is that we are taking away what made Meridian to begin with and I
completely understand that this entire area if -- all that is going to be to the east of you.
We have got that new transportation -- or excuse me -- industrial to the west of you,
plus Highway 16, development needs to come, but being able to kind of hold onto those
small little nuggets of history is going to be important for our community. Otherwise, we
are just anywhere USA; right? So, you know, I wish you could move it to my farm down
the street, but I don't know how to be able to do that. But it's -- I'm glad that you have
taken the time to be respectful of the silos, regardless of whether they stay or if the
monument is made and, you know, to be able to be aggressive, to be able to get it out
in the media for some developer to be able to move it to there, so that it can stay within
at least in the Treasure Valley, if not Meridian. So -- so, thank you for being conscious
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of that and, hopefully, we can kind of -- you know, to assume that ACHD won't kind of
work with you to kind of make a little bit of a curve to be able to keep them there, but
hopefully we can take these vague time frames that are within the staff report and find a
good candidate for the siloes.
Seal: I had to jot down a note, trying to keep up with what I'm supposed to be doing
here. Just -- I have questions on it, too, but the timing of option one, which is basically
take it down, move it somewhere else, what -- what kind of a timeline would you like?
Because you can't store it forever, obviously. So, I mean what kind of timing would you
guys think is appropriate for that or --
Bailey: When -- when we come in with the CZC for the site -- for the site construction.
So, at that time, you know, we are going to build the site. We are going to store it on
site until then, if we take that down, and so at that time when we go to construct the site,
either someone's going to take it or it's going to go away at that point --
Seal: Okay.
Bailey: -- because we are going to -- we are going to build the monument. It would --
would be what we are proposing as the -- and that's a definite time frame. We know
that prior to disposing it we are going to have a solution to document it, preserve it in a
different form.
Seal: Okay.
Lorcher: Mr. Chair, one more.
Seal: Go ahead.
Lorcher: Did -- did you talk to the Agros family at all about the silos? Did they have any
comments about it?
Bailey: I did not personally myself, but -- and I don't -- I don't know who has, you know,
within this. So, they have talked to the -- you know, the people who did the
documentation on it and it would be part of the discussion for TAG Historical to have
that discussion with them to make sure that their -- their history on it is preserved on the
sign as well.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you.
Seal: Okay. I can get to some of the -- some of the other stuff later, because we have
got public comment and things. Commissioners, any other questions? Commissioner
Smith, you look like you are ready to ask a question to me.
Smith: Mr. Chair, it's more of a -- kind of just I'm mulling it over and I'm kind of have a
similar opinion. It seems as the rest of this is I wish the situation were different around
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this, but, then, again, I echo Commissioner Lorcher's appreciation of trying to respect
the history and I think at the very least, you know, a monument and, you know, working
to try to find somewhere for this to go, ideally nearby, would be -- would be awesome.
But there are realities of, you know, how ACHD has kind of set things up here and how
this development is going as a whole that are kind of outside of the applicant's control in
a lot of ways and so I don't really have a question there, it's just -- just some -- some
thoughts and some pensiveness if you will.
Seal: Madam Clerk, do we have anybody signed up to testify?
Lomeli: Thank you, Mr. Chair. We have Blaine Johnston.
Seal: Thank you. Good evening, sir. We will need your name and address for the
record, please.
Johnston: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, my name is Blaine Johnston.
My address is 6138 North Demille, Meridian. I am president of the Meridian Historic
Preservation Commission. So, I appreciate the opportunity to come to speak before
you. I appreciate Commissioner Lorcher's comments on the history of Meridian and it's
slowly disappearing as this development goes on and on. Our goal as a commission is
to preserve and protect as much as we can the history of Meridian and our main goal for
this development -- is it possible just to retain that -- those double silos on site. That's
the last existing dual silo -- silo granary in Ada county. That's why we are intent on, if
possible, keeping it there. With that said, with the roadway -- I don't know if it's
possible, but I appreciate the applicant's consideration, his sign he put in for it. Staff
report on the history and what it means to us. I think the only thing I have to say is to
add, after listening to the applicant's testimony -- I don't know if it's possible to have a
condition on this is to get a final answer for that second moving company for approval
before it moves to City Council or before City Council's approval of it. So, if it can be
moved or not. I think that's the big thing right now. If it can't be moved I think it would
be great to keep it on site -- slash work for everybody else and it retains part of the
historical integrity of that building. So, with that I'm open to any questions.
Seal: I have got a question on this. I have about a billion ideas floating around in my
head, because --
Johnston: So have I.
Seal: Yeah. To be honest, this is the first time -- I have been doing this for about six
years. This is the first time that something of a historical existence has come through
that we are -- that we are talking about, so --
Johnston: I have been on the commission for 11 years and this is the first time we have
ever had an applicant come before us and the first time I have ever come for P&Z to
testify. So, I hear you.
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Seal: Yeah. So, it's -- to me it's important, because we have had a lot of feedback from
-- from the residents of -- of Meridian about, you know, losing our history, as, you know,
we -- we progress with -- with building the city out in the future, so -- I mean something
in the back of my mind with this is if -- if we can move this -- I mean, obviously, where
it's at -- it's going to have to be disassembled and moved, so -- and what the applicant is
saying that they would like to -- regardless of if it goes somewhere else or not, they are
going to do some kind of historical preservation on site to mark the -- to mark the area,
which I think is a good -- you know, an important consideration of this to mark the site
and have areas like that available within Meridian, but -- I mean would the -- you know,
what the Historical Commission be -- in the back of my mind I have always wondered
what they are going to do with the northeast corner of Ten Mile and Franklin, something
along those lines, or in the middle of a roundabout one of the big ones or something
along those lines. Like is that something that -- from the Historical Commission
perspective is that something that would kind of ring true for this piece of --
Johnston: I think if the roundabout is big enough I don't see a problem. I think that
would be a great use for this structure is to be in the middle of a roundabout. People
would see it. They couldn't stop and look at it, but they could at least say, okay, yeah,
that's -- that's part of our history. That's -- that's -- the history of Meridian is agriculture
and all that. Yes, I think that would be a fantastic use if it's possible.
Seal: Okay. Just wanted to kind of check on that.
Johnston: Yes.
Seal: Like you say, I mean it's -- it's -- speaking about it, I just want to make sure it
doesn't take over the whole application, but at the same time it's something that we are
going to talk a lot about, so I would imagine -- so, appreciate you coming in and talking
to us. Commissioners, do we have any other questions? Any comments? No?
Lorcher: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher, go ahead.
Lorcher: So, it would be up to City Council's determination whether or not they have a
budget to be able to retain it as a city monument; correct?
Johnston: Correct.
Lorcher: You don't have any funds to be --
Johnston: No, HPC doesn't have any funds to do anything like that. So, it would be up
to City Council if -- to move it on city property, yeah, it would be up to City Council to
appropriate the funds for it. I have talked to a couple of developers that may be
interested, but they don't know yet. So, a lot depends on what the outcome of this
Commission says.
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Lorcher: I guess my only other comment is -- is when I first started with this
Commission for Planning and Zoning and talking to the Mayor -- and this is my --
starting my fourth year, so I have been around for a little while. It's been challenging to
get Meridian City Council to be interested in our history and to preserve things. It's
about growth. It's about smart growth. And I appreciate that. But, again, if we lose who
we are, then, we are just Anytown USA; right? So, I don't know if we can put that as a
condition in our motion to City Council to look at the opportunity to retain it as a city
monument somehow. Is that -- I'm not sure if we can even do that, but, you know, that
would be the most important thing to even -- so, it doesn't leave Meridian.
Johnston: Correct.
Lorcher: Because it was suggested in one of the reports that it goes someplace else in
the Treasure Valley. Well, if it ends up in Harris Ranch or, you know, in Mountain Home
or someplace else, it -- it loses its designation -- or the distinguished part of being part
of Meridian.
Johnston: I agree with you totally.
Lorcher: Yeah. So -- okay. That's all I --
Seal: Thank you.
Hersh: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Lorcher?
Seal: Yes.
Hersh: So, Commission can recommend that -- that -- to City Council that you would
like them to preserve it somewhere as a recommendation.
Seal: Anybody else? Thank you, sir. Appreciate your time.
Johnston: Thank you.
Seal: Anybody else signed up?
Lomeli: Mr. Chair, no one else has signed up.
Seal: Anybody in the audience want to come up and testify on this? No? All right.
Would the applicant like to come back up?
Bailey: Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. And thanks, Blaine, for -- for coming in here and
talking about that stuff, too. And I think we do appreciate -- but I want to reiterate that --
you know, that we have taken this seriously as we have gone along and we would like
to see a solution for it, too, you know. We are not -- we are not in that range of -- of
trying to get rid of any history in Meridian. But we are stuck with, you know, where we
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are and with -- with certain constraints on that. You know, basically we are kind of open
to -- if you have suggestions that go there -- we are trying to set this so you can move
us forward here and I think that's important for a couple reasons is, one, that, then, we
can plan for what we are going to do and, two, if we don't move forward, then -- then we
are out of the decision making process on -- on it anyways. So, with that said, if -- we
would rather move forward tonight with -- you know, with your condition than be
deferred, because we don't think we are going to find out anything from now -- or for
some period of time; right? And, like I said earlier, while Kelly Moving is still looking at
that, they have been out there twice so far and I haven't seen a proposal for them and I
have talked to them and I do know from a structural perspective that -- that this is going
to be a really hard thing for someone to take on to pick up the entire foundation,
stabilize that building, move it and, then, give us a building permit at the other end. That
said, he is going to have a tough time, you know, giving us a building permit. Structural
engineer is going to have a tough time with that. So, I just don't feel it's possible and we
will continue to investigate and if they say, yep, we can do it and we are going to do it
for this price and it can get there, I will probably try to talk to the developer into doing
that; right? But once it's up and moving it could also go to the intersection, too; right?
You know. Or to -- to another site as well. So, now we have a lot of options and we
have a backup option here with our proposal that at a minimum really maintains a good
historical preservation of the idea of the monument itself and that's not the real thing,
but -- but it's, you know, held to be close to that, you know, with the historical stuff. So, I
guess I take it at that. And, then, we do agree with all the -- all the conditions of
approval otherwise and -- and we would like to move forward with the approval of the
project tonight.
Seal: Okay. Any other questions, Commissioners? All right. Thank you very much.
Appreciate your time tonight. With that I will take a motion to close the public hearing
for File No. H-2023-0045 for Farmstone Crossing Subdivision.
Smith: So moved.
Lorcher: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to close public hearing for File No. H-2023-0045.
All in favor, please, say aye. Opposed nay? The public hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Seal: I will jump in on this one first, just to talk about the project itself. So, I actually like
-- I like the layout. I like the -- kind of the form and function of it. So, I -- you know, I'm
happy with those pieces of it. I mean it's -- it seems to be appropriate for the area. It's
going to help Vanguard extension go in. I did have a question for staff on Vanguard.
Do you have any estimation on when that might be complete all the way through to Ten
Mile? To mile high.
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Parson: Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission, I don't, but I can tell you that I have
been at all of the meetings where those discussions are occurring and if -- what's being
planned for that area it does occur it will need to happen sooner rather than later, just
because of the access issues out there. So, the applicant was correct in stating that it
will happen fairly quickly and met with the applicant or the design firm that is putting that
together. It has not been officially submitted to the city or ACHD for review yet, but it is
imminent.
Seal: Okay. Thank you. Yeah. I mean Black Cat is a -- it's -- it's kind of sticking to me,
so I don't -- I have -- I struggle with its ability to properly provide for the amount of traffic
that's going in out there, but I also understand that it's -- you know, it's something that
ACHD and the city are trying to bump the priority on and get that taken care of, so
happy to see some of the stuff going and be developed. On the -- just on the historical
portion of it, you know, as -- as some type of monument is developed for this my -- my
hope is it's something that can kind of be seen from the freeway. I don't know if that's
even a possibility, but something that kind of marks that that is there, so that, you know,
when you are driving by on the freeway you say I'm by the -- you know, whatever
monument it is. It's something that's recognizable. It's something that people can see
as they drive in and out. And, then, as far as the -- you know, the dual silo itself, it's
small enough -- the hope is that maybe they can move it somewhere that it is something
that at least can be viewed. So, I don't know if they are going to be able to move it in its
current iteration foundation at all, but, hopefully, move at least enough of it to preserve it
in a way that people can visit it and it's -- you know, it's a historic marker for Meridian --
Meridian and its placement is such that, you know, it will be enjoyed by hundreds, if not
thousands of people a day as they drive by it somewhere. So, we do have a lot of
places that I think could accommodate that that are little slices that are really really hard
to even conceptualize putting something in there. So, hopefully, that happens down the
road. I mean I would love to see, you know, Parks Department, art commission, you
know, kind of throw collectively some heads together and see what can be done with
this. So, you know, I don't know if there is any budget for it or not, but hopefully the city
can take on a large role in trying to preserve that piece of history. Anybody else?
Commissioner Smith, go ahead.
Smith: Mr. Chair, thank you. Yeah. I echo what you are saying. I would also -- kind of
extending that line of thinking -- of putting heads together. Also considering, you know,
if this doesn't get relocated somewhere else, I mean the worst -- the worst outcome is
that that wood or those materials become just scrap and so if something could at least
be salvaged from that if we can't relocate the silo as a whole or in significant part, I
would like to see, you know, some discussion of that as well. I think at the very least
this -- you know, the monument -- I appreciate that, but there is -- there is probably
more we can do and I don't know that this is -- the developer needs to do, but that we as
a city can do to try to figure out how to continue the legacy of Meridian in the past as we
kind of keep building the Meridian of the future.
Seal: Thank you.
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Lorcher: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher, go ahead.
Lorcher: I think about -- if you go down to downtown Boise -- and I'm going to get my
streets wrong, but I think it's 5th and Grove or maybe 6th and Grove, there is a
waterwheel there that kind of shows an open canal of where the water used to come
through in open canals through the city of Boise and if -- they were able to kind of
preserve just a little bit of -- a tidbit with a little park around it that kind of talks about,
you know, what was here type of thing and we see that more, obviously, in Boise than
we do in Meridian. We do have our historic walk down here with our homes, but not
necessarily our farms, because they are further out. As an advocate of history I live and
own Mr. McDermott's house at Ustick and McDermott. We have fought with ITD,
because we are in the impact area of Highway 16. We have been able to save that
house. It's a 1920s farmhouse. Most people -- I think the -- the bean counter said that
it had no economic value and -- and that may be true on paper, but it's not necessarily
true for our community and so being able to preserve these silos within the city, if we
can actually -- what I have been trying to write to possibly suggest to City Council is that
the -- the city considers retaining it as a historical monument before it's sold or given to
another part of our community and the developer build some sort a monument to
acknowledge that that space was there, because there is enough history wonks in our
community that will want to remember that and then -- and try to find a likely candidate
for the -- if the city is not interested in being able to retain it and our -- like you suggest,
our park systems or a roundabout or somewhere in our city, that, you know, we can find
a developer that can incorporate it. Those are my only comments. But I guess for the
development part of it, based on what's happening on the manufacturing side on the
west side and your development here was with Adler going onto the east, everything
that you are doing for that site is appropriate.
Seal: Any other statements, questions, concerns? No? Absolutely. I will --
Lorcher: All right. I'm going to give this a go. As you can see I'm a little passionate
about our history here in Meridian.
Seal: That's good.
Lorcher: Okay. After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to
recommend approval to City Council of File No. H-2023-0045 as presented in the staff
report -- I don't know if they are modifications, but I'm going to say including a proposal
to the Meridian City Council to retain the dual silos as a historical monument within our
city and not to be given or sold to another part of the Treasure Valley and the developer
to build a monument on site to commemorate the dual silos for the hearing date of
February 15th of 2024.
Smith: Kurt, does that sound okay to you from a legal perspective?
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Starman: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, I think it's a bit beyond your
purview, but I think it -- as Stacy mentioned, I think you have the ability to make
recommendations to Council. My -- my thinking is you have a concrete application
before you and you have criteria in the UDC and the Local Land Use Planning Act, state
law. That's your foundation and, really, your -- your motions and your recommendations
should stem from that. I think that the way Commissioner Lorcher made the motion -- I
think made it clear that you are recommending approval of the project as presented in
the staff report and you have a supplemental thought that you are recommending to the
City Council that's related, but it's supplemental thought. So, I think in that context that's
appropriate. But, in fairness, I would say that's a bit beyond the scope of the Planning
and Zoning Commission in terms of budget considerations and, you know, Council
allocation of resources. That's really not really your purview, but I think the way the
motion was crafted is sufficient and I think the Council can react as they decide -- they
choose to do so.
Seal: Okay. Thank you.
Lorcher: I stand with my motion then.
Seal: Second still stand?
Smith: Second stands.
Seal: All right. Thank you very much. With that it's been moved and seconded to
recommend approval of File No. H-2023-0045 for Farmstone Crossing Subdivision. All
in favor please say aye. Opposed nay? Approved. Thank you very much.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
7. Public Hearing for Reveille Ridge Subdivision (H-2023-0050) by
Bailey Engineering, generally located on the west side of S. Eagle
Rd., approximately 1/2 mile south of E. Lake Hazel Rd.
A. Request: Annexation of 59.97 acres of land with an R-8 (34.69
acres) and R-15 (25.28 acres) zoning districts.
B. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 247 building lots and 37
common lots on 59.77 acres of land in the R-8 and R-15 zoning
districts.
Seal: All right. Finally get comfortable, but not too comfortable. At this time I would like
to open File No. H-2023-0050, Reveille Ridge Subdivision and we will begin with the
staff report.
Allen: Thank you, Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission. The next applications
before you tonight are a request for annexation and zoning and a preliminary plat. This
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site consists of 59.97 acres of land. It's currently zoned RUT in Ada county and it's
located at 7355 South Eagle Road. The Comprehensive Plan future land use map
designation for this property is low density residential on the eastern portion of the
property. And that's approximately 31 acres of land. And medium density residential on
the western portion of the land, which is approximately 28 acres. The low density
residential designation allows densities of three or fewer units per acre and the medium
density designation allows between three and eight dwelling units per acre. The
applicant is proposing to annex 59.97 acres of land with R-8 zoning, which consists of
34.69 acres of land and R-15, which consists of 25.28 acres of land for the development
of a residential subdivision. A mix of dwelling types are proposed consisting of 170
single family residential detached homes, 14 single family residential attached homes
and 62 townhome units. The gross density is 4.13 units per acre overall and, then,
broken down that's 2.96 units per acre in the low density residential designated area
and 5.3 units per acre in the medium density residential designated area and that is
consistent with the underlying future land use map designation. And note just -- I saw
some -- several comments in the written testimony tonight and I just wanted to clarify
that the density is no longer associated with zoning districts in the Unified Development
Code. That did change back in 2017. The future land use map designations in the
Comprehensive Plan dictate the density of each residential land use designation and no
changes are proposed to the future land use map with this application. There is an
existing home and accessory structures on this site that will be removed with
development. A driveway exists from Eagle Road that will be replaced with a public
collector street. Discovery Park, a 75 acre city park, exists to the west of this site.
ACHD's master street map depicts two collector streets across this property. One from
the southern boundary -- along the southern boundary, excuse me, and one along the
western boundary of the site. Land transportation improvements in this area. Lake
Hazel Road is scheduled to be widened to five lanes from Locust Grove to Eagle Road
in 2024 and two five lanes from Eagle to Cloverdale in 2025. The intersection of Lake
Hazel and Eagle Road is scheduled to be widened to five lanes on the north leg, four
lanes on the south, four lanes on the east, and three lanes on the west leg to be
reconstructed in 2024. No improvements are planned to Eagle Road directly abutting
the site. A preliminary plat is proposed as shown to subdivide the property consisting of
246 building lots and 38 common lots on 59.77 acres of land. The plat is proposed to
develop in four phases as shown on the phasing plan on the right. The first phase is
located along the southern boundary of the site and includes construction of all collector
streets within the site. Second phase is in the northeast portion of the development.
The third phase is centrally located and contains the pond and most of the common
open space for the development, including the linear open space within the Williams
Pipeline easement. The fourth phase is the northwest portion of the development. Staff
is recommending that the phasing plan is revised to switch phases two and three, so
that the open space is provided in an earlier phase for the enjoyment and use of the
residents. Access is proposed via South Eagle Road with stub streets to adjacent
properties for future extension and interconnectivity. Collector streets are proposed in
accord with the master street map, along with local streets, alleys and a common
driveway for internal access. A 25 foot wide street buffer is required along Eagle Road,
an arterial street, and 20 foot wide buffers are required along collector streets,
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landscaped in accord with UDC standards. There is a large existing pond on the
western portion of the site shown there on the plan before you that is proposed to
remain as an amenity for the development. The Farr Lateral runs along the northern
boundary of the eastern portion of the site within a 55 foot wide easement, 30 feet of
which is on this site. The Williams Northwest Gas Pipeline bisects the site within a 75
foot wide easement. The applicant is requesting a waiver from Council to UDC 11-3A-
6B-3A to allow the Farr Lateral to remain open as linear open space and not be piped.
A six foot tall wrought iron fence is proposed adjacent to this southern boundary of the
easement to preserve public safety. Common open space and amenities are proposed
in accord with UDC standards. Based on the area of the site a minimum of 8.97 acres
or 15 percent qualified open space is required. A total of 11.77 acres or 19.69 percent
is proposed as shown on the common open space exhibit, consisting of open grassy
areas of at least 5,000 square feet in area, linear open space, a pond with picnic areas
and active and passive open space areas. A minimum of 12 site amenity points is
required with at least one from each category. Twelve points are proposed, consisting
of three picnic areas and a fitness course with six stations from the quality of life
category. A half mile of multi-use pathways from the pedestrian amenities category
along the Farr Lateral and along the Williams Pipeline easement. And a tot lot from the
recreation activity category and a bike repair station from the multi-modal category. A
six -- six foot wide pedestrian pathway is also proposed as an amenity within the
common area around the pond. Staff is recommending a ten foot wide pathway
proposed -- excuse me -- provided along TAPS for connection between the two multi-
use pathway segments. So, real quick here are the -- the Farr Lateral is in this location
right here, if you can see my cursor. This is one of the ten foot wide multi-use pathways
along here. The other one is within the Williams Pipeline easement that bisects the
middle of the site here and, then, the staff recommendation is to provide a ten foot wide
multi-use pathway connection in between here. Several conceptual building elevations
of one and two story single family residential detached, front-loaded and alley loaded.
Single family attached and townhome dwellings, front loaded and alley loaded, were
submitted as shown. Building materials consist of a variety of horizontal and vertical
siding and stucco with stone and brick veneer accents. Final design of the attached
units and townhome units are required to comply with the design standards in the
architectural standards manual. Written testimony was received from the applicant
Kelly Black, Bailey Engineering. They are in agreement with the conditions in the staff
report. And 15 letters of public testimony in opposition to the development were
received and are included in the public record. Some of the reasons for opposition
include the following: Opinion that the proposed density is too high. The proposed
development will greatly overburden already overcrowded schools and area roadways
and will negatively impact property values of existing homes. Staff is recommending
approval of the proposal with the requirement of a development agreement per the
provisions in the staff report. Staff will stand for any questions.
Seal: Thank you, Sonya. Would the applicant -- applicant like to come forward.
Garrett: Mr. Chairman, I'm going to recuse myself from this conversation.
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Seal: All right. Thank you.
Garrett: My primary residence is very close to this.
Seal: Okay. Thank you very much.
Allen: Mr. Chair, can you give me just a moment here before we start the time --
Seal: Absolutely.
Allen: -- get the presentation up. There we go. Thank you.
Seal: Thank you.
Bailey: Thank you, Sonya, and thank you, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners. My name is
David Bailey. Bailey Engineering. My office address is 1119 East 8th Street in Eagle.
Representing Trilogy Development for the Reveille Subdivision and thanks to Sonya for
being really complete on all that stuff and Kelly Black with our office has spent a lot of
time working through any issues we might have had at this and so we are -- I will show
you a presentation here, but we are really pleased to bring you a plan that meets all
your codes, meets all your requirements and exceeds, you know, what we would expect
to see with -- within a development of this size as far as the open space and product
mix and we think it's just a really fantastic product to go in that area. So, as Sonya said,
it's -- it's west of Eagle Road and south of Lake Hazel and the city park is just to the
northwest -- actually, our -- our pathway doesn't quite reach it, but it will reach it through
-- it -- we actually touch at the very northwest corner and there is a subdivision
approved to the north for Brighton -- I think it's Brighton -- that will actually continue our
pathway along the Farr Lateral to connect to the park also. So, we expect a lot of great
connectivity to go in that area. The future land use map shows this as civic with the
park, medium density residential on our west side and low density residential on the
east portion, as Sonya pointed out. So, low density residential is a -- is kind of an
enclave of that designation within the FLUM. So, to the east of that is back to the
medium density residential and to the south of that is as well. So, that's a piece that
splits this in half. We were constrained by and met with the requirements of making
sure that the development within the low density residential met the -- the requirements
of that -- of the future land use map in that area. The pond in here -- this is the previous
site of the -- of the Bogus Creek Outfitters and so it's a really nice pond, a really nice
landscaping that we are going to retain quite a bit of and even make better and add
more landscaping throughout the site and as Sonya pointed out, the -- the Williams
Pipeline goes through the center, which is a restriction for us and we have got extra
work to do to cross that. On the other hand, it provides a great central amenity and a
great open space and Williams Pipeline does allow us to improve those with
landscaping and pathways along them. So, it's a really great -- great amenity we can
use in there. The zoning -- we are requesting for this site as -- as she said, R-8 and R-
15 and the R-8 will be limited by -- in that northeast corner by our preliminary plat. So,
we are proposing lots that are from R-2 in the northeast and -- and the north and the
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east on that side or actually meet R-2 dimensional standards, R-4 transition and, then,
down into the R-8 as we get closer to the west here and then -- so, we are -- we are --
we really think that we have made, you know, some -- some great efforts to meet the
future land use map, but also to buffer and provide this really gradual transition of -- of
lot sizes from those larger R-2 lots to the north. So, we have matched them exactly on
the R-2 -- R-2 dimensional standards, at least on the abutting lots up there that were
separated by the Farr Lateral. A hundred single family -- 170 single family detached
lots total, 62 townhomes centrally located, most of them around the pond -- or access to
the park and the pond specifically. Now, 14 duettes, which are two unit townhomes on
there and the total, as she said, of 4.12 units per acre on the project. That shows a little
bit where they are laid out and where the single family versus the townhouses and that
are set together. We are required on the site -- you know -- and it shows up on the -- on
the map and we are following through with that -- to bring the collector street all the way
through from the western end of this, connects to the park through this area and, then,
connects us all the way to -- to Eagle Road through this area. So, we are building the
majority of that. There is -- another developer is working on the portion to the south
who would build a half -- a portion of half of it on the very south end there when they
bring in their project on that end. And one of the conditions pointed out is that we
continue this regional pathway that goes through the William Pipeline across that little
section to the south of our collector street there, which we are happy to do there and
that will connect into their -- their pathway as well. Amenities for the site. We do have
the -- the picnic tables with the shelters. The fitness stations along that pathway there.
We really think this is going to be a great walkable community. A tot lot in here and bike
repair station. And, then, we are in agreement with the requirement to add the -- the
multi-use pathway, the wider pathway along the Tap Street that connects the Williams
Pipeline pathway to the Farr Lateral pathway at the north end and there is a comment in
the staff report -- and I think we got it resolved about extending our pathway along the
Farr Lateral and the first thing I would point out is that there is the easement for the Farr
Lateral, 30 feet there. We provide an additional 20 feet outside of that, right, and so --
that our pathway is in and there would be actually an open fence on both sides of that
adjacent to the Farr Lateral easement and, then, those lots would have an open fence
adjacent to that pathway along there, too, to keep that open. Those lots along that area
are fairly large, too. You know, those are the R-2 side lots, so they are really -- really
nice lots in that area. Several multi-use pathways and we talked about adding on there.
I get ahead of myself here. Kelly's going to give me a hard time. Farr Lateral. And go
back there. Go back. So, on the phasing plan we had originally planned to work over in
this area. This first phase, you know, is the tough one for us, as we are building all the
collector on the west side -- side and building the collector all the way through the site to
connect to Eagle Road and we need that for -- and we are also bringing the sewer in
from the west. So, we want to start in -- start in on that end. So, we were going to get
across the Williams Lateral there and do some more lots in this phase two here. I
understand the city's code requirement to make sure that our amenities are -- are not
backloaded too far within the development and so the developer has agreed to the
condition to swap phase two and three within the development here. To move those
around. Meets the objectives of the Comprehensive Plan, as Sonya pointed out. We
have a variety of housing types in here. The neighborhood connectivity, through
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connected pathways, which we think we do a great job of in this -- in this here. Timeline
on a build out for this would be in the range of -- you know, we will get through the
process, we might be building the first phase in 2025 and, then, we usually do a phase
every year and a half to two years moving through that -- that area there. So, we are
looking at a 2031 possible build out on this if everything went right, subject to market
demand, of course. We provided some elevations for the buildings in here and we do
understand that the -- while the single family houses -- homes don't undergo design
review, all of the duettes and attached housing need to go through design review with
the -- with the city, as well at the CZC after that. Anyways, they have to go to design
review if they are attached units. And that's all I have. I would be glad to stand for any
questions you may have.
Seal: Thank you. Commissioners, do you have any questions for the applicant?
Smith: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Mr. Smith, go ahead.
Smith: Just to confirm I think I saw on the last slide -- you don't have any issue with any
of the conditions in the staff report?
Bailey: We do not.
Smith: Thank you.
Seal: Okay. All right. I will just have you sit down, because we are pretty sure there is
-- I'm pretty sure that people in the room are here for something and this is the last
application, so --
Lomeli: Mr. Chair, Dave White I have signed up.
Seal: For anybody coming up to testify, we will need your name and address for the
record when you -- before you start.
White: I'm Dave White. I live at 2884 East Darcy Drive in The Keep that's north of the
subdivision. We have lived in either Century Farm or The Keep for the last three years
and it's been a challenge moving in and out of south Meridian. Obviously, we know
that, you know, development is a part of -- of living here and we love it. My -- our only
request really was on the densities. I don't know -- based on my research it seems like
it fits within what the staff is recommending that our infrastructure in this area, even with
the widening and everything that's going on, it seems like when one road opens another
closes and so it's really challenging for us. We also have a lot of kids that live in all
these neighborhoods and we just want to make sure that we are not putting too much
density all collected around, you know, this intersection, so specifically from a traffic and
safety perspective. So, that's my -- that's my thoughts.
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Seal: Thank you, sir.
Lomeli: Mr. Chair, the next person I have on my list is Jeff Lucky.
Lucky: Mr. Chairman, Council Members, my name is Jeff Lucky. I'm currently residing
at 4355 South Langdon Avenue in Meridian. I sent a letter. I don't know if you had the
chance to read it. If you want a feel good you might, because I complimented you
significantly in there for what I see is people embracing the vision and values of the
community for growth and frankly think you have done a very nice job. I purchased a
plot of land at The Keep three years ago. I waited to begin building until just recently. I
made the decision. I saved up all my pennies and I decided that I could afford to live in
a low density housing community and I made that decision on the data that I read from
June of 2022, which showed the land here in question as low and medium density. So,
that's why I'm standing here. I am seeing what I believe in that vicinity -- what I think --
and I'm not an expert -- a -- a disproportionate amount of medium to high and high
density approvals for -- for zoning, but I'm not challenging that, because I actually think
you are doing a wonderful job in managing the growth of the community. What I am
challenging is the concept of annexing further and, then, compression -- compressing
what was already color coded as low and medium housing and making it something
different. I started researching this when I heard this was coming about and for the life
of me I cannot find anything that talks to growth of Eagle Road south of the intersection
at Lake Hazel. The intersection coming. The feeders going all the way down to Locust
Grove and the other way -- all of that is -- you know, huge roundabouts looking
fantastic, but you take one step south of Lake Hazel on Eagle and all you see is a
sidewalk for The Keep across the street -- if you step off the road you are going into the
ditch and I mean you are going down. You go up a little further you have got Sky Break
-- I'm going to round up to 300 or so homes in there and, then, you go down further, you
go past the church that's there and, then, you get to some properties that this property
that we are here in question kind of wraps around and my question is was there a study
done for traffic improvement that would support five seven -- one thousand doors in that
short vicinity along Eagle Avenue? And if there hasn't been a traffic and safety impact
study -- I would first ask why, but I would also caution you to think about it, because I
am trying to figure out how a child gets on a bicycle and goes down the road towards
the intersection of Lake Hazel. Now, it may not be this developer's problem, but it's
somebody's problem and the safety of the children is paramount. So, growth is one
thing and challenging the rate of growth, but you have to do what you have to do. I
would ask you to take pause and think really hard about annexing compressing without
something factual about the safety of the roads right outside the property.
Seal: Okay. Go ahead.
Lomeli: Mr. Chair, those were the two that we had called marked that they wished to
testify. The others on the list did not mark that they wished to testify.
Seal: Who would also like to testify? Just have to raise your hand. Come on up, sir.
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Miller: My name is Brian Miller. I live at 6876 South Pemberley Place and my -- my
house essentially backs up -- I think we saw it in one of the pictures that was up, so --
so, I -- I appreciate that you have been willing to take the comments on this subdivision.
I'm here to express my -- my position that this should not be approved at the current
density that the developer is talking about. Many organizations in our communities
make their plans around our future land use plan that has been in place now for several
years. When the plan -- as we have talked about roads before, it's simply the rebuilding
the Eagle and Lake Hazel Subdivision -- or intersection right now based on what was
probably what they thought would be the use going south. If you are in any of those
subs -- any of our other organizations who are also making plans around that, could
probably reasonably expect that land to have had 80 to a hundred houses on it based
on that designation and now it's over 250 is the proposal. I mean that's a massive
expansion. If we were to consider for the schools, for instance, right now Mountain
View and -- and Victory Middle School have the highest attendance in the -- in the West
Ada School District. This is an area in which I'm not sure if the developers
contemplated which school will these -- the subdivision would attend, because the
school district boundary cuts the -- the development essentially by about one-third into
Kuna and about two-thirds into West Ada. Kuna is so overcrowded they can't pass a
bond. They are bursting at the seams. They have been asking for developers to
contribute at least 3,200 dollars per house to the building fund, so that they can help
contribute to new schools, because they can't fit anymore students in. Meridian Fire
Department in their comments on this very subdivision pointed out that there was risks
associated with it, that they can't meet the current response times, that they don't have
water rescue. There is both a canal and a pond has been pointed out in this
subdivision, yet many of these kinds of concerns could simply be allayed by reducing
the density. By reducing the number of people in that area we reduce the risks of needs
for the fire, for water rescue, we can reduce the need to have additional buses on roads
and additional schools being built. I'm not saying that subdivisions should not be built,
simply that the density is too high. All of these answers -- all of these entities in our
neighborhood and our communities have planned on being able to build around this. I
would like to point out that in -- as -- in the proposal Bailey Engineering offers no
compelling reason why they should go to high density, simply that they would like to
build a lot of houses. They don't say that there is any benefit. They point out things that
there are connectivity and -- and amenities, but all those could be done with low density
housing as well. There is no compelling reason to do this, except for the developer's
profit. I mean there is people here today in this meeting who have made their decisions,
who have made their plans, in addition to all these organizations in our community.
Those should matter more than developer's profits. It's nice to see them want to turn a
profit. I'm sure they can on a medium and low density housing. There is no reason --
Bailey has nothing that says, yes, this fits and that's all I really have to say.
Seal: Thank you very much, sir. Appreciate that. Anybody else? Sir, come on up.
Good evening.
Langston: Good evening. My name is Jarron Langston. 6865 South Pemberley Place.
Meridian, Idaho. 83642. So, I know a lot of you guys. I was a developer of The Keep
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Subdivision and so I get all the feedback -- the colorful feedback. I think really the
biggest concern for -- for the residents in my community there is really, obviously, the
density. We have talked about safety. You know, I'm currently in the process of
developing another phase of The Keep, which will be on the west side of The Keep
phase one and when I had my neighborhood meeting with the residents there I kind of
proposed a more medium density of development, of which, you know, they kind of --
the neighbor came to me and said, hey, we are nervous about the kids, we are nervous
about safety or we are nervous about what this could potentially do to our property
values. Is there any way you could do something similar to what you did with The Keep,
you know. So, me, just like Bailey Engineers and their -- and their developer you want
to be profitable. So, I went back to the drawing board, looked at, okay, what do I need
to do and I went from 38 lots to 22, which is where I'm currently at, and so I think a lot of
the concern here is that transition; right? They said that, yes, they have met the
designation for the R-2 zoning -- or the size requirements. The average lot size in The
Keep was 33,000 square feet per lot. The smallest lot in the community was 24,000 --
just over 24,000. Their biggest lot that's neighboring The Keep is about 12,500 maybe
on average. So, I think if there was a transition of one to one at a minimum I think that
would appease a lot of feelings within our community, especially for those residents that
-- I know the Smiths that have a five acre parcel to the west and so do the Wilkins, who
is a deputy for Ada county, and they have got, you know, now -- I don't even know. It's
larger lots, you know, upwards of five or -- five to ten lots per their five acres, which,
again, you don't expect a one to one maybe on the five acres, but, again, I think that
transition -- if it could be a little bit healthier, a little bit larger would -- would appease a
lot of problems and -- yeah, I think that's everything I would like to share. Thank you.
Seal: Thank you. Appreciate that. So, anybody else? Sir, come on up.
C.Smith: Craig Smith. I have the property at 7191 South Eagle Road, which directly
borders the east portion of this -- this proposed development. I'm under construction
right now and it just -- I echo what everyone else has said and it just -- I have five
children and this is my forever home. I have five acres right here. I bought it. I paid a
premium, because I thought that this was going to be low density, and it scares me for
one thing to know that this road right in front of my house -- I think -- I mean like most of
this community is going to be passing right by my property with my five kids. I also wish
that right here where they have got -- it looks like about five dwellings per acre butting
up against my property and the Wilkins just south of me, which are both five acre
parcels, which there is no intent of ever putting any more homes on those parcels. That
would just make a huge difference to me if -- if it just wasn't such a -- like they made
concession to The Keep, but I even have a larger -- I mean I have got five acres there
and we have got all these homes butting right up against us and I just -- it just makes
me really sad to see that after what I have tried to create for my family. That's all I have.
Seal: Okay. Thank you, sir. Is there anybody else who would like to come up and
testify? Ma'am, come on up.
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C.Miller: Commissioners, my name is Carrie Miller. I live at 6876 Pemberley Place in
The Keep. Maybe I'm a little too close to that. I just, first of all, want to thank you for
being here and letting us talk to you. A little bit of my background. I grew up on a farm
and my dad raised cattle and he had 10,000 acres of land and there was a spot on his
farm where there was a preexisting pond that he asked that he could build a reservoir
and that was to irrigate some of our crops and it was already on our property and in our
thoughts it was going to provide more places for wildlife to be. However, it was denied
for my dad and at the time I thought how could it be denied? And now I live in The
Keep and my house butts up to this subdivision that is being proposed and if you had
gone to the subdivision is this -- this -- this area behind our house, it is beautiful. The
pond that they already pointed out and the big trees -- huge trees that are going to be
cut down that are mature and absolutely gorgeous area. I'm not proposing that we don't
have a subdivision, I am proposing that the subdivision that they are asking for isn't at
all what we said that we were going to have when we first moved into this property. We
have lived in Boise for 18 years and 17 of those years we have been saving to build our
forever home and right now when we decided to build that place we were told that this
was going to be completely different than what is being proposed and I feel like that
some of that should be respected, some of those feelings and concerns that we have
for those of us that have saved for a very long time to be able to build our forever
homes. Thank you.
Seal: Thank you, ma'am. Anybody else like to come up? Going once, going twice.
Oh, sir. Come on up. Give us your name -- name and address and ask for whatever
you would like.
Pond: Matthew Pond. I live at 2865 East Wickham Court in Meridian in The Keep. Is
there a picture of-- that's panned out with the -- the -- like the satellite view?
Seal: I don't know.
Pond: I thought I saw one that kind of showed the proposal with the other
neighborhoods. Yeah. If we can kind of look at that and kind of toggle back and forth
between that plat plan -- because the thing we were talking about -- they, you know,
talking as everybody else has said -- and I honestly haven't spoken at a city council
meeting since I was 12 years old for my Boy Scout award -- Boy Scout merit badge, so
if we can look at The Keep plan, that -- that satellite view and we are talking about that
transition. If we look here we have -- I count the two five acre properties, low density
residential, plus one, two -- what is that four lots there in The Keep, zoned at the R-2
low -- low density residential and if we fast forward, the transition to the plat plan,
looking at just that one area there is now where there were four lots we have one, two,
three, four, five, six, seven -- at least eight lots I'm looking at, without looking at it there.
So, I think a lot of people say -- and I'm just going to reiterate it again to beat that dead
horse, you know, that transition -- it may be meeting the overall letter of the law, but
definitely not the spirit of the law as far as, you know, that low density, the transition.
You take away that little bit of a green space in the middle and you just kind of cover up
like this, we are not meeting any of it. So, that the transition from what The Keep -- as
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true low density residential with four lots in that area, up to whatever it was, eight or
nine, I think that transition point is kind of what we are focusing on and kind of
emphasizing. Thank you.
Seal: Thank you. Appreciate it. Anyone else? Okay. I will take a motion to close the
public hearing.
Smith: So moved.
Lorcher: Second.
Seal: Wait. Would the applicant like to come back up? Sorry. It's not that we are
getting tired of you.
Bailey: I would be. I get tired of myself sometimes. David Bailey again with Bailey
Engineering. Sure appreciate the comments of the neighbors on this and -- and I sure
get their concerns, you know, with the project. I guess -- I guess I would start with, you
know, when we talk about traffic on this thing is that -- of course you guys and the
highway district and everybody, you have done these -- these studies on these, you
know, and we do the -- we do the capital improvement plan every -- like every six years.
I have participated in three of them over 15 years and we take the city's comp plans first
and we take the city's Comprehensive Plan and we decide how many lots are going to
be in a particular area, going to impact the roads, and we build a model, which costs a
lot of money to build that model and go through and plan these roads way into the
future. What's going to happen. Then that boils down to a five year plan and, then,
down to an individual plan. So, the improvements that you are seeing being built just to
the north of this have been on the books for 20 years and they are -- they -- they come
forward, because the model gives impact fees for the lots based on -- it calculates the
impact fees based on the cost of the improvements that we are going to have to build
when they are built. So, it's a responsive model that we have in the highway district and
the cities and they all participate in this responsive model. As we build these we will
provide the money to build the roads adjacent to them. In addition for every single
project we do that has more than a hundred lots and this clearly does, you know, we
provide an individual traffic study that takes into account all of that traffic information,
projects that are in the process and have been approved, recent traffic studies and look
at whether this is appropriate and it looks at improvements to not only within the site,
but all of the major roads around and all of the intersections within a scoping area that
they provide at the beginning. So, there is a lot of homework that goes into the traffic
for these and one of the issues of this is that that collector street that we built through
this whole project benefits everybody in the area. Benefits the projects to the west.
There is an L&R project to the west which is -- which is, you know, connected in here,
which will connect this street through to Eagle Road. Provides this mid mile collector.
Provides fire access. Provides emergency services access and access for people to
get to where they want to go, whether it's Meridian Road or Eagle Road in this area.
So, you know, the traffic planning really -- really does get a lot of thought and I know I'm
preaching to the choir here, but, you know, I guess when we get the questions asked
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and I get a podium to answer I'm like -- I think I feel a duty to do that. This -- this project
has been accepted and reviewed by Ada County Highway District. They have provided
as conditions of approval, which we have agreed to and we are going to meet all the
requirements and pay the impact fees they require for this project. We do not have a
concern with the roads not meeting the requirements or that the roads aren't going to be
there and I get it, Eagle Road is a two lane road right now, you know, adjacent of this
site, but probably by the time it's built out we are going to be seeing -- be seeing that --
those lanes built out there and keep our neighborhood safe. I guess kind of the same
thing goes for Fire, you know, is that that the Fire Department has reviewed this, they
have approved it, we got a recommendation of approval from your staff and they are
going to be able to provide, safe, adequate fire service to this site and we are confident
of that and if we can't at some point, then, the city stops us regardless of our approvals;
right? That's necessary to do. As far as the density of the project, you know, haven't
been involved in the process since we use the Comprehensive Plans to build the -- the
model that we do for the -- for this area for everybody's planning. They usually use in
the mid to upper ranges of the comprehensive designation; right? So, we are talking
about three to the acre on the low density portion here, which wasn't even taken up by
The Keep. Granted they got bigger lots, but that -- that -- that density of use here for
the planning we have done has not been taken up within that area and in the medium
density residential they are probably going to use about four to five to the acre when
they do their traffic model for that -- that end of it. So, I would argue that the -- the
density of this project has been included in the plans of not only the highway district, but
of your Fire Department of your city Planning Department, your emergency services,
you know, and the sewers -- certainly the sewer water departments have this plan to
provide adequate services. Schools as well, although a little more disconnected from
this, and certainly the city has the ability to deny an application of the -- if the schools
don't have adequate capacity to handle this. But I haven't heard any of that and the
schools have -- you know, have not said a comment that we can't serve the children in
this community at this density. Comprehensive Plan is what it is. You folks create the
Comprehensive Plan and their problem is not necessarily with this particular project, but
their comments are about the density that's specified in the Comprehensive Plan and
that's what we bring into you is something that is reasonable, has reasonable density
transitions on it and provides the open space that you require and provides what we
think is going to be a really nice community for these folks and will not negatively impact
these neighbors. Large lots next to a five acre lot. That lot could develop into -- into
R-4 for reasonably. It's in the -- it's in the low -- you know, you bring that -- bring that in
here with an R-4 development on that, even though they don't intend to improve it, it's
still eligible for that and so what should we say, well, we will make bigger lots if they
want to reduce their density in the future. It just doesn't work that way, you know, as we
go along. We think we have provided a great transition across that Farr Lateral, so that
these homes in this area will not impact them. We don't connect directly to their
subdivision. Traffic won't go through there. Even pedestrian traffic from this
development will not go through there, you know, and we have quite a bit of separation
between those homes, which are on rather large lots to the nice homes that will be on --
on rather large lots adjacent to that, so -- now as far as a compelling reason, you know,
we think this thing brings a lot of benefit to the people who live here and who will be
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members of the community and it brings a lot of benefit to the city as well. We get a
pathway -- we get pathways in here. We get a collector street built through here. We
get nice amenities in here. We get connections to your city park. We get connections
between Eagle Road and Meridian Road and we just add to the character of the
community, which is very consistent with your comp plan and the goals of that. The
landscaping we are doing, everything we do within there is really consistent with
building more of the Meridian you asked us to bring you, right, with your comp plan and
your standards. So, that's how we got here. I hope I addressed stuff there. But if I
didn't I would be glad to stand for any questions.
Seal: Okay. Thank you, David. Commissioners, questions, comment? Oh. Hold on.
Hold on a second. Yeah. Generally we are not going to call you back up. So, if there
is --
Starman: Mr. Chairman --
Seal: Go ahead.
Starman: Mr. Chairman, you can make a decision, but, you know, we can't have
comment from the audience. We can't pick it up for the record. So, I think either you as
a chair can make a decision to invite the gentleman back to the podium if you want.
That would be atypical for probably not take testimony from -- from the audience,
because we can't capture that for the record.
Seal: Understood. So, at this point I -- I -- and I can probably address some of that as
we go into comments, so --
Smith: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Smith, go ahead.
Smith: I do have a question. So, I'm going to be completely honest, I think the western
half of the project I love. I think it's great. And I think I'm close to the eastern half of --
the eastern half as well. I do -- I get some of the concerns about the transition and I
know that you have done -- you have made efforts to kind of create a transitory space.
Looking at kind of some of the numbers, what it looks like in that low density range, you
are kind of pushing the upper end of the low density, but on the medium density area
you are kind of right in the middle of what that allotted -- allotted space is, so with that
kind of a consideration I am just curious, could you walk me through -- and you don't
have to go into detail -- but maybe how you arrived at like this level of -- this gradient I
guess of increasing density as you get further west and south and why, just as an
example. You don't have necessarily maybe larger lot sizes near the north, offset by
maybe some townhomes mixed in at the bottom as to the transition, you know, in -- into
that medium density, just -- could you walk me through kind of the decision making for
this level of density at the very top and kind of a smoother transition versus maybe
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something that is -- starts a little bit less dense and, then, gets a little denser near the
bottom. Does that make sense?
Bailey: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Smith, I want to make sure I understand your first
-- your question first, is that I think you are asking should there be -- what was the
thought process that went into making the transition? You had this specific level of
density -- a specific level of transition and in my experience -- and I laid this out myself,
so I'm the right one to talk to about this -- is that usually, you know, we will look at
adjacent lots for transition purposes and your code doesn't specify -- there is no specific
code for this. Am I wrong on that? Some consideration, but there is no dimensional --
dimensional said you have to meet two for one or anything like that. But we do
understand those standards and historically, you know, Boise city used to have a two to
one, Kuna used to have a two to one -- or one and a half to one -- or put a number on it:
right? The City of Meridian code does not. But we still look at that when we do the
transitions that we don't do more than two to one is usually kind of my rule and that's on
the adjacent -- immediately adjacent lots; right? And a lot of times we will have
requests to not do two stories on those, even if they are two stories on the ones next
door and, you know, we often try not to follow those, because they don't make sense.
The number -- the distance you are away when you are doing those transitions doesn't
make sense, but we don't have that problem here. The other thing we will look to do is
if we match the size of the minimum lot size in the zone for the adjacent lots, right, then
that -- that -- that in our experience is a really great transition; right? So, I'm not even
going two to one from the rezone. So, there could be a lot on that side that would be --
you know, that would be 12,500 square feet. If I meet that, you know, then, here -- and
I'm -- we are asking for an R-8 zone, so, obviously, they could be a lot smaller within
that, but we didn't think that would be appropriate. So, usually matching that zone
minimum size is a really good transition, okay, in my experience, meaning less than two
to one is acceptable, right, and, then, matching lot line for lot line if it's close is what I
would really love to do in a lot of cases, but, you know, 24,000 square foot lots in here
to match those one -- one per one on those lot lines or can I make these 90 feet deep,
you know, and -- and 200 feet wide doesn't make any sense either. Matching those --
those one for one on there didn't make sense for this area and -- and for this builder;
right? This builder building on a 24,000 square foot lot doesn't make any -- any sense
for them. But we do want to provide a transition. What this also does -- it makes those
lots really deep, so those houses are going to be closer to the road, you have big
backyards, you have the pathway in between that, plus the Farr Lateral as separating
view for those. So, that -- that's on the immediate adjacent stuff. When we have really
large like five acre parcels in there we will say what could it be zoned to and we would
match -- match that zone of what would be reasonable for them to develop. So, that's
the east side is what we did here. And, then, we will usually do another tier of -- in
between. So, we go from R-2 to R-4 size, which we did there. Those are -- those are
matching that size there and, then, we will move down into -- into the next zone from
there. So, the R-8 below that. As far as -- you know, we certainly always want to
maximize the density on the property without just overdoing it; right? I mean that's just
our job is -- is to see that. That provides homes for people at the prices that makes
sense for them to buy it at, you know, so all that goes down the road as doing that. So,
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the reason we didn't provide more there -- and we just pushed against that -- against
that three to the acre limit, you know, but we made sure that we were under that and
that we weren't violating any requirements and we think this is a really great transition,
you know, for those neighbors there. I can't ask them to agree with me on that. But in
my experience -- and a lot of lots I have done this is a really good transition. Thank you.
Seal: Other questions?
Lorcher: Mr. Chair, I have a question.
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher.
Lorcher: When there is -- in regard to transitions from R-2, is there anything in code
that says it needs to go to R-4 before it goes to R-8 or is it -- or is there some -- because
there is a lateral in between it doesn't -- it's not considered adjacent?
Allen: Mr. Chair, Commissioner Lorcher, Commissioners, there is nothing in the code
that requires a transition. There are policies in the Comprehensive Plan and goals so
far is transition, but there is nothing specific.
Lorcher: So, it's really up to the discretion of the developer?
Allen: And the -- and the approval body. Yeah. Commission and Council as well.
Lorcher: Thank you.
Allen: Thank you. This is an annexation, so you could require, you know, a greater
transition if you would like.
Lorcher: Okay. Thank you.
Smith: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Commissioner Smith.
Smith: I do have one other question I just remembered. I know there was some
discussion about trees and maybe some older growth trees. I don't know the specifics
of the trees in that location, but have there been any -- is there any discussion or
consideration on your end about opportunities to kind of maintain some of those trees
where possible or to, you know, transition them somewhere else, you know, rather than
cutting them down? Just curious about any of those thoughts or discussions.
Bailey: So, we have had a lot of discussion about that -- that, obviously, and our plan
here is to -- you know, to keep some of those around the park, you know, in areas
where we can around the area there where we can keep them, but in addition to that,
you know, we have a landscape plan that meets the city's requirements for the
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preliminary plat, but you do have a landscape ordinance specifically and a -- and a city
arborist and the requirement in the condition of approval that we provide all of the
mitigation required for all of the trees that are there and so we will follow that plan or
landscape architecture will be that and they will be counted -- they will be counted as we
go along to provide that mitigation and as we understand there is going to be some
mitigation required -- off site probably even, because we probably don't have the room
to do it all -- all we need to do here, so -- but we are fully prepared to meet the city's
code requirements, you know, and to go through that and meet that.
Smith: Thank you.
Seal: Any other questions? Thank you very much.
Bailey: Thank you very much.
Seal: With that I will take a motion to close the public hearing for File H-2023-0050 for
Reveille River Subdivision.
Smith: So moved.
Lorcher: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to close public hearing for File No. H-2023-0050.
All in favor, please, say aye. Opposed nay? The public hearing is closed.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Seal: I will jump in on this and try and address both sides of it. So, first off I will just
address the school. So, my -- my least favorite issue and the thing that I disagree with
probably the most adamantly is how the cities do business. So, their models are you --
if you build it we will -- we will come. You know, that's how they fund this. That's how
they build these. That's why the schools get super overcrowded and, then, they build a
new school and, then, they are not overcrowded and, then, they build in -- you know.
And, then, they get overcrowded -- so I mean it just -- that's just the way they operate
and to me that's frustrating. So, it's gotten to the point in Meridian where they don't
even submit a report anymore, because it was just -- it was -- it provides no value.
Basically they can't say they cannot service it. So, I recommend that you go to the
school board for this and let them know that that's not okay, because to me it's not okay.
It's why -- you know, my son attends a charter school, because the public schools just --
I have had other children that were in our public schools that went through this.
Overcrowded, not overcrowded, overcrowded, not overcrowded as communities grow.
So, I don't necessarily agree with the model that they use for that. Unfortunately, it's the
model that they use. You know, as far as the roads and just the way that I go about
some of this stuff, because I think that the growth in Meridian -- in order to be
responsible that we have to look for areas that we can pump the brakes, so schools are
one of them. You know, if the school presents a really good case -- and, again, I have
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been doing this for six, seven years now. I have never had the school district present a
good case as to why not to do this. They have always said yes. That's all they ever
say. So, ACHD, they have submitted reports that show that the roadway systems are
not going to support what's going in. Don't currently support it, won't support what's
going in. Great reason to pump the brakes, you know, and we have. You know, we
have recommended denial or denied applications that have come through on that. So,
you know, we try to be mindful of that as -- as we move forward. Fortunately or
unfortunately, this area looks really good as far as roadways. I mean the roads around
this whole area are set to develop to accommodate all this traffic. That's not something
we are used to. I live in the area of Black Cat and Ustick where those two roads
intersect. Trust me, I feel your pain every time I have to go through that intersection.
Before there was a stoplight in there it was -- it was almost impossible to take a left turn
to go west on -- on Ustick. So, I completely understand what you are saying. But,
again, this -- this area to me has developed better than a lot of places in the city. I
started -- my first home was in Kuna, so I completely understand. You go south of
Amity or other roads that are out there, yeah, there is not a lot -- there is not a lot out
there, but I guarantee there will be. Last time I drove -- drove down Ten Mile Road out
to Kuna I had to pull over, because I thought I was lost. I thought maybe they extended
the road over the river or over the creek out there, because there was just so much
development out there. I didn't even recognize it until I got to what's now the junior
high. So, surprising amount of development that's happening out there. So, as far as
the application itself, I do agree that the transition could be better, but it's really hard to
make -- it's hard to develop a product at this stage of our growth and how much housing
costs that's going to align correctly with that, you know, adequately. One to one is
probably never going to happen. So, I mean the -- the idea that, you know, acre lot to
five acre lots are going to be readily -- readily available in Meridian is probably a thing of
the past, just because it's -- it's just so expensive to do that. You know, there is just so
few people that can actually do that anymore. So, being responsible about the lot lines
and having just the acknowledgement that two to one is really what we try to do and we
really press hard on people to try to meet that requirement, try to align the lot -- you
know, try to line things up as much as humanly possible. Where you do have yards that
backup to each other, don't put windows on the second story, just things like that we
have -- you know, we have been through this and we fight pretty hard for those things
as they come through. This application, honestly, there is no shared driveways. You
know, the transition to me looks like something that was very well thought out, because
we get so many applications in here that are just cookie cutter and they are literally
designed to cram a house on every square foot that they possibly can. They are
pushing every -- every limit that they can on there as far as, you know, how many
houses they can put in there. The least amount of amenities they can put in there.
They don't want to put in ten foot pathways. They kind of argue everything as -- as it
goes forward. This is not one of them. I mean they basically have a park in the middle
of this thing. They are doing ten foot pathways. They are working with their neighbors
to connect the ten foot pathways to provide safe connectivity to the park system. So,
speaking to the gentleman that has kids, this is going to help your kids safely get to the
park. I mean this right here is golden to me. I -- where I live at there is a section that's
between Liberty Road and Ten Mile Road that has this -- basically the same thing there.
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A ten foot pathway with little amenities along the way. Little tiny parks, little tiny tot lots
and things like that there along the way. I can't describe how much better that makes
the community to have that safe passage between two very very busy roads.
Unfortunately, it just ends at Linder Road. It just comes out, spills on a road that has a
lot of schools, doesn't go anywhere. So, we have a lot -- a lot more work to do. But
things like this to me definitely do provide some of that safety that you are looking for for
your children. So, you know, as I think about, you know, they are going to want to go to
the park, what's the safest way to get there? You have a ten foot way -- you know,
pathway in the middle of a giant green -- you know, green section that's going to get
them there. So, that -- that helps. As far as the -- you know, the higher density housing
that's out there, I also have a son that's -- you know, he is -- wants to stay in this
community. Really really does. Has a great job. He is an engineer out at Micron. Got
married and struggles to afford a house. You know, every time he thinks he's got 20
percent socked away he goes and tries to bid on a house and gets outbid by ten grand.
It's tough. It's hard play. You know, he is a smart kid. He has done everything right.
It's hard for him to live in the community. So, that's what this -- you know, a lot of this
housing to me represents, you know, the -- the ability for somebody to have some
affordable housing in there and there is all kinds of people that are going to be living in
our communities. So, I live in a nice house on a nice size lot. I can appreciate the fact
that not everybody can do that. So, I don't look at those -- you know, I don't look at
people that can't live where I live or how I live is that they are going to lower my property
values, so -- I haven't seen a property value in Meridian lower since I bought my house
over a decade ago. So, they are still a pretty hot commodity. So, I -- there is not much
that's going to drive down the value of property in -- in -- in Meridian at this point. I
mean if -- if development stops, then, yeah, that will drive down the price of your house.
So, anyway, I hate to get too preachy on this, but I really liked this application for a lot of
the reasons that I just mentioned. I mean they are not using every square foot to try
and cram everything in here. They are just doing a lot of things right here. So, to be
honest, I wish more developers develop like this. So, that's all I got., So sorry to get a
little preachy there.
Smith: Mr. Chair?
Seal: Go ahead.
Smith: I wanted to add some thoughts. I think you covered a lot well. As I may not look
it, but as someone who has only been able to afford a home in the last couple of years
despite the balding head and starting a young family, it's a -- I have been in the position
that you are talking about of not being able to afford to live in your hometown and so I
get that. I also get the concerns of -- you know, concerns around transitory -- your
transition space and things like that, but I think you are spot on. I live in a spot near
Settlers Park, but there is a development between and rather than an obstacle, that is
the route we take, rather than walking down Meridian. It feels safer. It feels more
pleasant. You can ride your bike down and not have to worry about constantly looking
over your shoulder at traffic, making sure that you are safe. One thing I wanted to add
regarding this -- I think -- I agree that this is -- is developed really well relative to some
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other areas in the city. I would encourage you guys to look at the integrated five year
work plan that -- that the city submits to ACHD every year. There are some areas that
are not in very good shape, you know, on -- been on that list for a bit. But I think
another thing that's helpful is with an integrated five year work plan it is -- it is rolling
and so we are constantly looking five years out. I have the pleasure of sitting on the
Transportation Commission as well and we just passed -- we just put to the City Council
what we think should be in the integrated five year work plan and we are constantly
tweaking that and making adjustments based on developments and changes to traffic
patterns and things like that and working with staff to make the -- the asks that we make
to ACHD -- or recommend City Council make to ACHD fit the neighborhood and I think
one thing that we didn't mention that I really appreciate, especially given the -- some of
the concerns is that phasing plan that we have an integrated five year work plan and
that the phasing plan is six years long. I think there are some benefits there of being
able to keep an eye on things and -- and monitor and by the time -- you know, if
something happens in phase one of this development, by the time the rest of the
development is complete there is potential to have addressed it in the -- in the five year
work plan. So, I will stop myself from getting preachy, but I just -- I wanted to also just
extend that as a resource to keep an eye on and if you have concerns there are other
outlets to -- to bring them to -- you know, bring them to -- in the city and other
commissions, to ACHD, and they are heard, they are, you know, worked on and they
are addressed, so --
Seal: Commissioner Lorcher, anything?
Lorcher: Yes. Briefly, Mr. Chair. I was concerned about the one person who testified
that there was a bait and switch, that they were told one thing and it became something
else and I -- I think about the story that you tell about Rock Harbor Church on Chinden.
It's right in front of Spur Wing Country -- Subdivision Country Club over there. Originally
it was proposed to be storage units -- single story storage units and a person who lives
in that subdivision said, you know, not in my neighborhood, it's not going to happen.
So, they got the storage units out there that were going to be single story and, then, a
three story Rock Harbor Church went right in front of her subdivision and, you know,
blocked everything. And kind of channeling Commissioner Yearsley from years ago,
we can only -- you can only control where you live and the surrounding areas around
you, you know, we don't own and so if a developer comes in three years, five years
down the line and fits the code, it's very difficult for us to say no, because it was already
slated to be that way at the beginning. So, I don't like the transition between the lateral
to the -- the lower density, you know, because they are R-2 and you are going straight
to R-8, but I understand that it's everybody's backyard and there is a lateral and there is
a pathway in between there, but I have a five acre parcel as well and I have the benefit
of having five acre parcels behind me, so I don't -- I don't have to look at that; right? It's
not going to be part of my vision and whereas you are going to be looking at your
backyards and you are going to see, you know, these houses, whether they are one
story or two. So, from a design standpoint of the subdivision I would love to see a little
bit more less density just on that portion of it, but as residents of The Keep whatever
that real estate person told you what was going to happen, you know, may or may not
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have come to fruition, because they don't own it. It wasn't their development to be able
to -- you know, to tell you and so it concerns me that if a person is telling you one thing
and it turns out to be something else and they are not informed and that's -- that's a
disservice to you as homeowners who are buying something that you think you are
going to get and, then, all of a sudden, you know, it turns into something else. So,
overall I do like the plan. I would like to see that transition a little bit less dense for
those people who are in The Keep or whomever have those larger lots, because they
talk about that to have that open space, but I agree with Commissioner Smith and you,
Mr. Chair, that these pathways are actually a huge benefit to this community.
Seal: Thank you.
Sandoval: Mr. Chair, one thing --
Seal: Commissioner Sandoval, go right ahead.
Sandoval: Mr. Chair, I will be quick. I echo everyone's thoughts up here and I
appreciate the testimony and concern. It does appear that it adheres to all the UDC and
comp plan requirements and I think the distribution density is fair. That's all I have.
Seal: Thank you. Commissioner Smith?
Smith: Yes. Sorry about that. I do think from the question we asked the applicant and
if -- so, if I'm incorrect someone please correct me. I do think that transition, just
speaking to Commissioner Lorcher's comments -- like the zoning is R-8, but from what I
understood based on the response is that it is -- the -- the density that they have
allocated is as if it is the minimum R-2 lot size and, then, it steps to R-4 and, then, R-8
as it gets south -- and the applicant is nodding. So, I think that is the case. So, I do
agree, you know, I do have is -- it is about two to one. If we can make it 1.5 to one or
something, just a little bit nicer, that would be nice. But I personally don't have too -- like
too much of a problem with it. I think doing that -- I don't even know what other trade-
offs of it elsewhere in the development that would create and so I think to me this looks
like a good development and I don't want to make the perfect be the enemy of the good
I guess.
Seal: Anything else?
Lorcher: Mr. Chair. Is that something that the city -- when it goes to City Council for
annexation, is that something that they would take up as well, the transition? Would
they, you know, ask the developer to change -- instead of two to one to 1.5?
Seal: Yeah. I have -- I have been -- I mean just on this body alone I have been -- in
annexation we have a lot more latitude to kind of make sure that it fits. So, as it's been
-- you know, as I have been educated on it, so -- and I mean if you -- if that's something
that you feel strongly about what I found is I would be careful about putting something in
there that's too rigid as far as a recommendation. That said, you do have to spell it out
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pretty well and, Kurt, if -- you know, if you want to add to that statement I just made I
would appreciate it for sure.
Starman: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, I agree with that assessment. I
think that with annexation you have some discretion and in particular the rules require in
the best interest of the city gives you quite a bit of latitude. So, I think it's within your
purview to -- to make a recommendation in that regard. So, if the Commission as a
whole was inclined to do so, I think that would be appropriate to include it in -- in a
motion or recommendation to Council.
Seal: Okay.
Lorcher: I mean I don't think I'm an expert on this, I just want it to be able to point out to
the -- to the City Council that we have concerns about the transition. I don't know how
to put that in a motion. You know, just be aware that, you know, we have concerns
about the transition. I'm not -- I don't have any specific numbers, because I'm not
qualified to do that.
Starman: Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, I have two thoughts. One is I
know for a fact that all of our Council Members review the minutes and/or video of your
meetings, so just by having the discussion you had tonight I know that the Council
Members will hear that discussion and we will take notes. So, that's a possible course
of action. Secondly, if you want to sort of craft a motion that is recommending approval
in accordance with the staff report, which the applicant has agreed to in terms of
conditions and, then, add a supplemental thought or even a second motion that you
would, you know -- I don't want to put words in your mouth, but something to the effect
that you would recommend that Council take a closer look at the transition from, you
know, The Keep to the northern portion of this particular subdivision. You can probably
do it that way as well. So, I think -- but I will take -- you know, I said just a moment ago,
I know the Council Members do read your minutes and/or watch your video, so I know
they get the message regardless, but you could make it more explicit by taking that
second alternative.
Seal: And in the past what we have done -- I mean, essentially, kind of makes -- you
know, you get to make City Council -- and they are the decision makers and so I was -- I
call them they are the bad guys; right? So -- but what -- what we have done in the past
is basically just recommend that City Council, you know, review the transition for
appropriateness, just something along those lines, so it's not so rigid that, you know, it's
kind of out of our purview, but at the same time it's something that genuinely we know of
just by, you know, reading of it that that's something that we want them to take a look at,
because, again, I mean outside of that I mean I just -- I -- personally I have no issues
with this -- with this development. So, are we ready for a motion?
Lorcher: All right. Mr. Chair?
Seal: Okay.
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Lorcher: You might have -- you all might have to help me here, but I will give it a go.
After considering all staff, applicant, and public testimony, I move to recommend
approval to City Council for File No. H-2023-0050 as presented in the staff report for the
hearing date of February 15th and ask that the City Council review the transition of R-2
to R-8 along the Farr Lateral between the two subdivisions as is -- as if to be in the best
interest of the city. Is that right?
Seal: That was beautiful.
Lorcher: Okay. That's my motion.
Smith: Second.
Seal: Okay. It has been moved and seconded to recommend approval to City Council
of File No. H-2023-0050, with the aforementioned modification. All in favor, please, say
aye. Opposed nay? Motion passes. Thank you, everyone. Really appreciate your
testimony there.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
Lorcher: Mr. Chair --
Seal: We are not done yet.
Lorcher: We are not?
Seal: We need to get our fellow Commissioner. Okay.
Starman: Mr. Chairman, maybe -- your discretion, but if you want to take maybe a three
to five minute break that might be appropriate. We can retrieve our new Commissioner
and maybe people would appreciate a quick break.
Seal: Yep. Absolutely. With that we will do a five minute bio break. Thank you.
(Recess: 8:24 p.m. to 8:32 p.m.)
DEPARTMENT REPORTS
8. Overview of Planning and Zoning Commission Best Practices
Seal: All right. We can -- we can go ahead and reconvene and, Caleb, the floor -- the
floor is yours.
Hood: Thank you, Mr. Chair, Members of the Commission. My name is Caleb Hood. I
am the deputy director in the Community Development Department. We want to take
this opportunity this evening to do some -- some training and we are going to try to get
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more in that groove. I know we are before you occasionally, but at least a couple times
a year to -- a lot of it will be refresher. Obviously we have some new Commissioners
tonight, though, so try to get them started off on the good foot and just some best
practices type of stuff, both in the legal realm -- we also have a great opportunity -- so,
I'm going to start with maybe just an introduction of the team that you have -- that we
have before you today. I did my introduction. So, Brad Hoaglun is formally a bad guy.
He has now seen the light and he is a layperson currently, but he did serve two full
terms on City Council. Not consecutively. He was appointed to his first term then won
re-election. Was off for eight years? Something like that. And, then, was elected again
and just recently came off. So, before he purges his mind of all the bad memories of
being on Council, we asked him to come and address you from a Council person's
perspective. So, that's really where I want most of our time this evening to be spent is
with Brad, his family -- not only Idaho natives, but Meridian, BridgeTower is his in-laws
and his -- that's family; right? So -- but definitely he also served on -- in Mayor
Kempthorne's office he said from '86 to '91 and, then, went to DC some time there. But
I know his heart is in Meridian and even though he is not there on Tuesday nights, he
still cares about our community. So, much that he is willing to spend a good portion of
his Thursday evening with you, just sharing some of his experiences on Council and
maybe some feedback for you to consider as you make recommendations, like you did
this evening. So -- and, then, Kurt -- he doesn't necessarily need an introduction, but he
is going to do some of the legal dos and probably more importantly the legal don'ts. He
said it's dry and boring, but it's not. He -- I sneak peeked at some of his slides and I
think some of the things you see will be -- he will make them entertaining anyways.
And, then, finally, I will -- I will finish with just some of, again, best practices, things to
consider. Body language. How to ask good questions. The dialogue you should have
to be -- to make your meetings most effective and efficient. So, you don't have to take it
all as gospel, at least not my portion. I would ask you to listen to Kurt's and follow that
advice. Mine is just, again, sort of best practices and lessons learned and stuff. So,
with that I think we are going to kick off with Kurt and -- oh, I do want to say, too. Feel
free to interrupt us as we go through. There will also be some time at the end, too. So,
again, we want to make sure we are addressing any questions, concerns you may have
just in general, even if we don't cover the topic here this evening, so --
Seal: Thank you.
Starman: Thank you, Caleb. Mr. Chairman, Members of the Commission, so I really do
have the drier portion of the presentation. I am looking very much forward to listening --
or to hearing from former Council Member Brad Hoaglun. I think he has some great tips
and I'm hopeful you have a little bit of interaction and some time for questions and
answers. So, I will cover my material, but it's dry legal stuff that I thought I was going to
start out with -- exactly. I also got off script a little bit. I'm going to say that I -- when it
comes to PowerPoint presentations, I'm a real boring kind of guy. Bullet points and so
forth. So, I actually -- one of my colleagues Emily Kane produced a version of this and I
sort of plagiarized. I want to give her credit, because I would never do anything this
clever with owls and things of that nature. So, she deserves all the credit, otherwise,
you would be looking at simple bullet points and that would be the extent of it. We had
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a flying owl there for -- so, I'm talking about two topics tonight. We have different
meetings and from time to time we talk about a lot of different legal topics, but the two
I'm going to talk about tonight or the Idaho's Open Meeting Law and, then, also ethics
and conflicts of interest. So, those are two topics that come up fairly frequently. Good
that we are aware of the rules and we play by Hoyle. So, just briefly, a credit to Idaho
and to our legislature. We have had on the books for some time now requirements --
and many states do -- that we do our business in public. You know, our -- our role as
volunteer Commissioners, as staff members, as Council Members that we are here to
serve the community, to listen to our community and make it a better place to live and
work and we do that by being open and transparent and listening and really providing,
you know, a conduit for people to testify and to be able to provide meaningful input and
so a big part of that is our open meetings law. So, this is -- it's good practice and it's a
good way to run government and it's also a legal requirement as well. So, all that
comes into play. Let's -- titles reference to state law where that's located at and I think
that quote that I won't read in its totality, but the court I think actually does a nice job for
-- sort of a legislative intent language out of state code, but I think it does a nice job of
really describing -- we are here to serve the people, not vice versa, and for that reason
we have open meetings. Spoiler alert. Yes, the Open Meeting Law does apply to the
Planning and Zoning Commission as you are all well aware and so it certainly applies to
-- in a city context applies to the city council, but also to other sub agencies, which is
sort of a term of art used in state law and that definitely includes the Planning and
Zoning Commission. So, we as a body are subject to -- or you as a body are subject to
that law as well. It applies -- I don't think I have a slide on this. Let me just digress just
for a moment. So, the idea is, obviously, when you are talking -- obviously, when you
are talking to business -- and in our context what I mean is when you are talking
Planning and Zoning Commission topics, whether that's something before you today or
something that might be coming before you in a week or a month, that's when, you
know, the open meeting law applies and when we need to have everything on the
record and be transparent and be open. It doesn't apply to -- you know, you are having
a side conversation with your colleague, maybe before the meeting starts or afterwards,
about what are you doing this weekend or, you know, how is the family doing? That's
all fine and -- you know. So, social type stuff no concerns. The only concerns apply to
business-related discussions and material, which means in our context planning and
zoning topics. Meetings are defined -- or the terms of what qualifies as a meeting is
defined pretty broadly. So, obviously, this is -- you know, what we did here tonight and
as you took testimony earlier today on different applications, that certainly is a meeting
by anybody's definition. But beyond that it includes that -- that third row called
deliberation. If you have a quorum -- and in the case of Planning and Zoning
Commission four or more members that are talking about -- even deliberations -- so that
means receiving information from one another or from outside sources, exchanging
information or exchanging opinions, that all qualifies as a meeting as well, so -- and
even if that's done sort of in a serial way where, you know, Commissioner One talks to
Commissioner Two and Commissioner Two talks to Commissioner Three and says,
well, Commissioner One says they support this and wouldn't you like to support this as
well. That very quickly can turn into what's sometimes characterized as a serial meeting
and so that is -- would be an issue and a concern relative to Idaho's Open Meeting Law.
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I'm not going to spend my time on this, because we have a wonderful city clerk's office
and Tina and Chris keep us in good order, so -- in terms of our noticing requirements
and making sure we -- we meet our posting requirements and timely and things of that
nature, but we need to post our meetings timely. There are provisions that allow us to
make amendments even after a meeting starts. That would be very rare and also a
limitation in what we can do. So, best practices we try to get you agendas well -- this is
the statutory requirement -- at least 48 hours prior to your meeting. We typically try to
give it to you several days ahead of your meeting, so you have some additional time to
review the packet, because there is often lots of material there. You know, I think
tonight is a couple hundred pages or better. So, we are mindful of that. We try to -- to
get it to you much sooner, so that you have some extra time to take a look at it. Open
to the public. Opportunity for people to participate meaningfully and so forth. We -- that
last bullet point under Idaho law we are required to -- at a minimum maintain so
summary minutes. Meridian has chosen -- and Dean does a wonderful job for us -- has
chosen to do verbatim minutes. I have -- we do that for a few reasons. One is in the
land use context it's probably one of the issues that is most ripe for potential litigation
and so it's nice to have the verbatim minutes when you need them, because when you
need them you need them. But importantly -- I mentioned this earlier -- is that I know
several Council Members that tell me and others that, you know, they read the minutes
pretty religiously and they like the minutes. Perhaps former Council Member Hoaglun
can speak to that when he addresses you as well. But I know that the public reads
those minutes. I know that Council Members read those minutes as well. So, they are
important for a whole bunch of reasons. This is basically just a -- you know, there are
some times there are some creative ways to circumvent limitations and barriers, but the
best rule is just use your good judgment. The idea is we want to do everything in an
open environment and so if you have any inclination I always think trust your gut and
trust your instincts that, you know, the goal here is to adhere not just the letter of law,
but the spirit of the law as well and so we are not looking for ways to kind of work
around those open meeting requirements, we are looking for ways to comply with the
spirit of the law. We talk, you know, probably more than occasionally about ex-parte
communication and we just did some training with our new Commissioners a couple
days ago and talked about that as well. But that's a difficult topic, because sometimes
you can't control that. So, I think everybody -- all the Commissioners are pretty well
aware of that -- are mindful of the fact that what we do we do in the open. We have lots
of information presented, so everybody has the same information, they have it at the
same time, we have a record that people can refer to. There is no surprises. There is
no backroom deals. There is no secrets. Everything's done in an open environment.
So, I think we -- you all do a fantastic job of adhering to those rules and the part that
sometimes gets tricky is sometimes things just come out of the blue at you and you --
you -- you know, before you know it someone's already bending your ear about a
project that might be coming before you or you receive an unsolicited e-mail or a phone
call and so, again, I ask you to use your best judgment, but all those things fall into that
category of ex-parte communication, which is problematic, because -- again I mentioned
what sort of -- in the area of land uses -- an area that's litigious and one of the -- the
issues there is that you are really sort of -- much like a court proceeding, all the parties
have to be in the room hearing information at the same time and when we are having
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individual or sidebar conversations that becomes -- that becomes a potential legal
problem, as well as there is the due process and fairness type issue as well. So, it's
important for us to nip that in the bud if you can. If someone starts to bend your ear a
bit and you kind of quickly pick up on what that's about just, you know, politely say time
out, I'm -- you know, I actually serve on the Planning and Zoning Commission. I think
this is a topic that's going to be coming before us, so for that reason I really can't
engage and you can be polite about that. I think most people would honor that. Same
for e-mail and phone calls and things of that nature as well. It's important to try to honor
that. There is a fix for that. So, the best way is just avoid -- try to avoid that happening
or nip it in the bud very quickly before it goes too far. I recognize -- and you probably
had some experiences where just things happen and you didn't solicit it and just -- not
much you can do about it, since it's already occurred. There is a fix for that and
occasionally we do that from the dais as well and that is that -- you know, if that does
happen when the -- when the Commission as a whole is considering that item, I would
ask you as a Commissioner to make that disclosure at that time and say just for the
record, Mr. Chairman, you know, for the record I would like to disclose that so and so
approached me -- Developer A approached me six months ago, I didn't realize this was
coming before us and I just wanted to briefly describe the nature of that conversation.
Just put it on the record and that gets us back onto the right track. So, we try to avoid
that -- the need for that -- number one is Plan A. Plan B is when -- when that doesn't
work out so well, full disclosure, just a quick summary of what happened and that gets it
onto the record and it kind of gets us back on track. I'm going to go through the rest of
-- the open meeting stuff pretty quickly. You are aware that we can do, you know,
particularly -- after the -- during the COVID period and post-COVID period we become
more adept at things like Zoom and telephone conferences and so forth. But the law
does allow us to -- we have to have a commissioner -- at least one in the room
whenever we are having a meeting, but other commissioners can and often do
participate by Zoom and we use the old fashioned telephone from time to time in a
pinch when technology has let us down. Commissioner Lorcher recalls that one. Let's
see. Oh. What I'm going to mention here is you could -- again, I won't read that
verbatim and you know much of this already, but I do want to just reinforce that --
because we don't talk about it often enough probably -- that second bullet point about
public records. So, just as a reminder, really anything you do -- even though you are a
volunteer commissioner and you get a big whopping paycheck of zero every month --
sorry about that. But even so you are conducting the city's business. You have been
appointed to serve on the Commission and you are doing the community's business and
the public's business and so records that you produce that are city related for city
purposes are public records and that means -- whether it's created on a city computer or
on your personal laptop or your text -- on your text message on your phone, you know,
hypothetically if we are involved in litigation a year from now and someone says I'm
making a public records request for every communication that dealt with Project Y, that
would include things of that nature. So, just be mindful that and, again, the idea is to
having aboveboard and in the record and so there is no surprises on that. I will just say
there are -- just briefly in terms of violations, there are jurisdictions that have had that
issue and it's -- it's a painful process. Number one, you get chastised by the court and
may end up paying attorney's fees and, then, the cherry on top is you have to go back
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to cure it -- to cure the violation you have to go back to square one and do everything
again from -- from the very beginning to cure it and make it -- do it the way it was
supposed to be done the first time. So, it's something we all want to avoid whenever we
can. I guess I should skip -- I shouldn't skip over that last bullet point, too. There are --
if -- if a public official knowingly -- and that's a high standard -- that he knowingly -- that
means you are intentionally violating the open meeting laws -- that is subject to criminal
prosecution. So, there are some more severe sanctions if you are intentionally trying to
evade the Open Meeting Law. On ethics I want to talk about two things. The first very
briefly. One is there are some specific requirements that apply to all public officials and
that means you, as well as Commissioners appointed by the Mayor and confirmed by
the Council to serve on this Commission, that apply to ethical considerations and rules
that apply to you. So, the first is, you know, kind of just as a general rule that you as a
Commissioner ought not be personally involved in business with the city. So, contracts
-- hypothetically if you owned a business and you wanted to sell services or products to
-- to the city, that's typically not allowed and would be an ethical violation, both in the
Meridian City Code, as well as under state law. There are, as I mentioned, that last
bullet point. There are a few exceptions -- particularly for non-paid commissioners,
which -- so you fall into that category. So, there are some exceptions. My general
advice is just try to avoid that altogether. But if there is something specific that pops up,
you know, in the context of what you do for a living and something we have to interface
with the city contractually, we can chat about that and see if one of those exceptions
might apply. But as a general rule, you know, we -- our volunteer commissioners ought
not do business with the city in terms of contracting for services, products and things of
that nature. The one I really want to talk about in a little bit more detail -- and I'm
coming close to ending my presentation, but this one does come up fairly frequently and
it does have some penalties -- penalties associated with it, including criminal
misdemeanor violation as well. So, this is one of the things of all of our commissions,
you all are the lucky ones, the Planning and Zoning Commissioners, you are lucky,
there are special state laws that apply to you relative to ethical considerations and
economic interest in particular. So, under the Local Land Use Planning Act that states
laws pertaining to planning and zoning, there is a special provision that applies in that
context, which is -- which is referenced on the screen there, 67-6506. That is fairly
stringent, more so than -- you know, certainly more so than our other -- other city
commissions. So, it's applies to any economic interest in an application that's before
the commission, you really need to disclose that conflict and, then, recuse yourself and
step out of the room and we will -- we will, you know, elaborate on that in a moment or
two. That applies -- and it also applies a little bit more broadly than some people might
initially think about. So, certainly applies to you all as individual commissioners to the
extent you personally have some type of conflict and an application before the
commission might personally -- you know, might have a positive impact on property you
own, for example, or a negative impact, it doesn't really matter which direction that
certainly would apply to you. But also in terms of relatives and to the second degree, so
-- and that's both affinity and consanguinity, meaning by marriage and by blood. So,
secondarily, I always have to pull out a cheat sheet, because my wife is a -- an avid
genealogist and I'm terrible at that type of stuff. So, I can never -- I can never figure out
the second cousins twice removed type stuff. That's just, you know, a mystery to me.
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But to just put some context the second degree, both by marriage or by blood, that
includes, obviously, yourself, but a spouse, which would make sense. Your parents to
the extent that they are with us still, to our children, that that applies. Father-in-laws and
mother-in-laws, daughter-in-laws and son-in-laws would apply. Grandparents.
Brothers. Sisters. Brother-in-laws, sister-in-laws and grandchildren. So, it's fairly in
that's -- again by blood and by marriage. So, that could be a fairly -- depending on the
size of your family and so forth -- might be a fairly broad group. So, that pops up from
time to time. Again, my -- I used this expression a little earlier, but I think it's always
good to error -- to error on the cautious side and I just would just urge you to kind of
trust your instincts and your gut, number one, is to kind of the first test is this, you know,
feel odd or any way that I might know someone's associated that might benefit from this
decision or this item before the commission, number one, and, secondly, I highly
encourage you to -- as the state law, but to give me a call or city attorney Bill Nary, give
any of us a call, but the two of us would probably be the best to chat with, but we are
happy to kind of brainstorm with that and provide some advice and counsel to you and,
then, if you rely upon that advice from -- let's say you consult with me with your potential
conflict, that also provides you some protection under law as well, that you have sought
legal advice and you adhere to that advice, that provides some additional protection to
you also -- potential penalties as well. Oh, I do want to mention the recusal piece a little
bit. So, really, best practice on that is -- the language in the code is -- in the Idaho Code
is fairly specific about -- you cannot participate in -- in deliberations at all. So, really,
best practice is -- and we don't always do this, because we are not quick on the draw
sometimes, but best practice is as soon as the item comes up on the agenda, as soon
as the chair acknowledges that item is next on the agenda, we are getting ready to talk
about it, that would be the appropriate time to say, Mr. Chairman, before we even open
that -- even open that public hearing or before we engage with the staff report, I just
want to disclose to, you know, the Commission that I have a potential conflict or a real
conflict of interest, here is what that is, and for that reason I'm going to recuse myself.
So, you have to give just a brief explanation. You don't have to go long on that, but just
a quick little description of what that conflict is or the potential for conflict. Excuse
yourself -- or recuse yourself from the meeting and I encourage you to -- don't leave the
building, but you ought to leave the Chambers. I think even if you sat in the audience
there is a perception that you might be influencing your colleagues in some way with the
wink or the grimace or something of that nature. So, my recommendation is make that
announcement as soon as the item gets called or when it's next on the agenda, state
what the conflict is about, recuse yourself, and, then, I think as -- as Commissioner
Garrett did this evening, did it fantastic, just step into the executive -- into the
conference room to the side of you there, that's a great place -- or out in the hallway is
fine, but outside of the Council Chambers would be my recommendation for you. The
last -- I think this might be my last -- or second to the last slide is that we do both in city
code, but also state law, there are some restrictions -- and we don't talk much about
this, but we ought to, particularly around the holidays, we just got past Christmas and all
that kind of good stuff, but there are some -- some fairly -- particularly as inflation has
eroded the value of the dollar, there are some -- some kind of low thresholds for gifts in
particular that you ought to be mindful of. So, there are some restrictions on gifts from
-- obviously, from anybody in the public or from a developer in particular, applicants that
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might be coming before you and things of that nature. So, be mindful of gifts. We
recognized that -- the law recognizes and we are all human that we all, you know,
exchange a gift from time to time for the holidays, birthday, things of that -- things of that
nature. So, it's not prohibited, but there are restrictions attached to it. One is that the
value cannot exceed 50 dollars. And -- and today 50 dollars isn't going to go all that far,
quite frankly. So, when you get that big giant box of candy, if you think it might be more
than 50 dollars, maybe you -- you know, you would say really, that's pretty generous,
but I can't accept that and maybe other things sometime -- tricky things of that nature
that are almost can be communalist to say, you know, accepted on behalf of the
Commission as a whole and we will share it with everybody; right? I'm going to share it
with all Commissioners and staff and spread the wealth and that's a way to kind of deal
with that sometimes as well. But there is a cap. It's in state law and in the Meridian City
Code of 50 dollars -- no gift greater than 50 dollars and, then, regardless of the size of
the gift, if it's -- if it's clear that the gift is intended to influence your decision in some way
regarding -- even if it's under 50 dollars, that is not allowed as well. You know how to
get in touch with me by e-mail and otherwise, but as I said for things like conflict of
interest or any other legal topic, we are happy to help you out. Bill Nary is my boss.
Our city attorney has a ton of experience -- 20 plus years of city attorney work and,
then, has served as a planning and zoning commissioner in the past and as a city
council member in the past, so super smart and seasoned guy and, of course, I'm
happy to help you as well and so feel free to call or pop by and we are happy to do that.
I will pause and see if there is any burning questions about any of that, but really
important I wanted to get to former Council Member Hoaglun. He is the main attraction
type. Any -- anything I can answer that I glossed over?
Lorcher: Only that chocolate should be mandatory --
Starman: Yes.
Lorcher: -- sharing.
Seal: Yeah. I was going to say --
Lorcher: Especially dark chocolate.
Seal: Yeah. If -- if we get 60 dollars worth of chocolate I'm sharing ten bucks worth with
-- with you guys and I'm keeping --
Lorcher: Thank you very much.
Seal: Yes. Thank you, Kurt.
Starman: So, I'm going to reintroduce Council Member Hoaglun, who is -- I think is
really going to have some good material for you.
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Hoaglun: Thank you, Kurt. Appreciate it. Good to be here and for the record I guess I
have to do this, since I'm in front of the Commission here. I'm Brad Hoaglun. Reside at
2470 West Trestle Drive in Meridian, Idaho. And, Dean, for old time's sake if I move too
far away from the mic just tell me to speak into the mic, please. You know. Kind of
miss that part of it. No. First of all, I want to thank you for serving. Just for some of you
who have served for several years -- and it's -- there is a lot of work to it. For you that
are -- that are new, thank you for agreeing to it. You probably don't know everything
that you have gotten yourself into, but you will soon learn and I'm sure they are -- they
are filling you in. But this is what makes our community work. It's the involvement of
our citizens. I'm actually not a native. My wife is the native. I am a transplant from that
far off cold state called Minnesota. My parents got tired of winters in northern
Minnesota and we came out to Idaho in 1966 to Canyon county and moved to Meridian
in 1970 and I went to sixth grade starting in Meridian Elementary School. So, I think the
1970s the population -- the census came to about 4,900 people. So, I remember the
creamery. We would ride our bikes when the volunteer fire departments -- the siren
went off downtown. That quintessential small town experience and -- and, yes, I do
miss elements of that. It really is a place that I enjoyed growing up and during high
school I worked on a dairy farm behind Kohls. In fact, you can see the outbuildings
there. It was the farm of Tom Davis and that white building -- in fact, I have talked to
Blaine Johnston about it -- is the old ice house. They used to have the interurban run
through there and the farmers would bring their milk to that building and you can see it if
you look kind of beyond -- you got the brick house and, then, there is this white building
and the farmers would bring their milk there to keep cool and, then, they would load it
on and go to the creamy -- I think at Caldwell at the time. So, just those historical
aspects when we talk about the -- the silos at the Eggers place and, of course, Todd,
the youngest boy and I went to high school together and Drew -- I know Drew very well,
but it just -- it was a great place to live even today and I have got -- our oldest son and
my grandkids -- three grandkids that live in this community and, you know, that was my
purpose for serving, it was just to make Meridian the best it can be, even though it's not
going to be what it was when I was a kid, and I know all of you want that and that's why
you are serving. So, kudos to you and to Commissioner Smith, I think you are double or
triple dipping in this commission work, so you get extra extra okays. As you heard --
and I have kind of split this up, because there is things you guys already know, but
might be to help reinforce for the new folks, so I kind of bounce back and forth here.
But land use is different than any other issue. Mr. Starman laid that out there. It's -- it's
one of those things where that word quasi-judicial body is really true. We are deciding
things and there is -- what comes out of this at the Council is a findings of facts and
conclusions of law and that's what -- if we go to court over anything that's what is being
presented. So, you help us establish those findings of facts, conclusions of law as the
staff in bringing that forward and helping us make that decision. So -- so, that's the
difference. When -- when people come up to the in store -- and I had to get used to this
coming from a legislative background, we are used to talking about anything that you --
you know, that's before the body. You are used to talking to people. But land use
someone approaches you in the grocery store, you really can't. You say, hey, you
know, if you wouldn't mind send me an e-mail. I will forward it to the clerk or come to
the meeting, you know, we have to have this on the record. It's one of those things. In
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fact, I have got -- you know, as a council member people would e-mail us with things
coming up and I had a form basically written up -- I would just send back to them, thank
you for your comment. I'm forwarding this to the city clerk for the record and da, da, da,
da, that sort of thing. So, it's different than if we are doing a dog ordinance and people
say, well, yes, I like this or, no, they have to be on collar and whatnot. Don't let them
run around in parks. We can talk all day about that and not have to worry about it, but
for land use issues it's -- it's very very specific. But one thing I would encourage you to
do is talk to staff beforehand. If you are going through the packet and you have
questions, they are there to help you. I mean they -- they go through that information
and they report -- you know, they prepare their analysis and it's good information, so --
and it really is about the details. As you guys know who have done it for a while, there
are so many details that you have to review and take a look at. In fact, I went back -- I
listened to one of your earlier meetings and -- and it was about -- the big thing there was
traffic flow. Can they move the traffic and when they stop and let people out and all
those things and they had a traffic consultant and all -- going through those details,
that's -- that's critical information, because that can make and break a project. But there
is a phasing plan. There is -- and we saw that tonight. Road expansions. There is just
a whole host of things that we have to look at that by staff looking at it, you guys looking
at it, and, then, Council looking at it, we come to the best decision possible I think. The
hard part of all of this is that there is not necessarily a right or wrong answer. There is
a lot of gray in this work. There is -- there is things that you -- you prefer. Staff will align
everything to the code. Now, I know that there is trade-offs in projects and I know they
have -- they have discussions on the staff level going does this meet code? Does it not
meet code? And there are things that they go back and forth on. So, there is this -- this
-- I don't want to say -- there is not necessarily unanimity in what they decide. Same
thing that's going to happen at this level and, of course, at Council level same -- same
situation that occurs. Just because the -- we are just dealing in -- in some -- some gray
areas where there is not right and wrong answers. Like we have preferences. But
because there is a lot of gray, this is my advice and try to give you perspective from that
Council area, make sure that your voice is heard on issues of concern and you do that
and having read -- and I'm a minute reader -- minutes reader, so I know some on
Council will watch the video or listen to audio. To me I can read much faster and, you
know, they are long. These -- these meetings can go very long, so -- and I'm mindful of
that tonight, too. You are doing this at the end of the meeting. But, really, there is great
value for the staff -- for the -- for the Council to understand why you made the decision
you did, because, like I said, when we read things and, yeah, we could go there, does it
mean -- it could, but maybe not. And there is differing opinions. How you got to that
decision you made -- again, it's -- I don't view it as right and wrong -- or wrong, it's just,
okay, that was the process and what you considered to get to that point and that's --
that's helpful to us. We just want to know the basis of your recommendation and
decision. That -- that just is what we are looking for. How did you get there? And your
reason we like hearing the debate and discussions. I like reading that, because we do
the same thing, we talk about why we think this is a good project or concerns you have
with a project, like you did tonight, and because I read the minutes, I read the staff
reports, I go through there and I kind of form an opinion. I wasn't like, oh, yeah, we are
going to do this. It's like, okay, here is how I'm leaning and I would go into the hearing
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kind of thinking, okay, I'm thinking this -- and everybody does it differently. I'm just
telling you how I did it and so I'm leaning one way or another, thinking, man, I'm
concerned about this or I can -- oh, this -- there is a lot of things that look good about
this, but as you listen to testimony and you go through reading staff tests -- the staff
report, reading your -- your minutes, reading testing -- or going through the testimony
that's there, reading new testimony that comes in via e-mails, so you get a flavor and a
sense and, then, listening to Council Members and you are going to do that, too, and I'm
sure you do it here -- is the fact that you hear other people and their viewpoints and
going, you know, maybe -- I think that's changing my mind and I -- I have been swayed
by arguments and perspectives on Council before by people who said, you know, here
is how I see it and why and -- and people have told me that -- because of your argument
I decided to support or oppose that issue because of how you -- how you looked at it
and I didn't realize these perspectives. So, that -- that's important. So, what you say
and how you say it and what you think is important is -- is really important. Elevate
remaining issues. You did that tonight. The silos is a great example of that. You know,
hey -- and I think that's a great thing to do, because, yeah, your opinion is important.
You are here to serve and you have opinions about it. To say we think you ought to
preserve those silos and try to do something with them. Right. Yes. Now, it comes to
Council and we go, okay, there are so many -- you get -- then we get into the details.
What's this going to take and all that. Oh, it's going to cost that much? I don't think so.
Well, we can afford that. Where do we put them? Where do we find the money? So,
there is a whole host of things, but that opinion is important that we need to preserve
some -- some of our -- our history in Meridian. I agree with you, Commissioner, we
haven't done enough. I would love to see more, you know, but it is hard. It is very hard.
But, anyway, I guess I wanted to just say I have to remember everyone has the best
interest of the city at heart. Staff does. You do. City Council members do. Even when
we disagree at the Council level, I knew that if Commissioner Cavener voted opposite of
what I voted, I mean Luke wasn't wrong, he just saw the process to make Meridian the
best it could be was different than my idea of what the best it could look like on that
particular issue. So, it's -- it's -- it's -- it's a good way to go about things. We didn't
question each other's motives and same here with Council. So, I guess I also want to
say, then, if Council does it different than what you recommend, don't take it personal --
personally. I know staff doesn't. If the staff makes a recommendation, sometimes you
go a little bit different and, then, we go a little bit different. But from when it gets to the
Council level sometimes things have changed from what you have done. Because of
the issues you have raised you have made it a better project. They know going forward
that we are paying attention to what you guys do here. So, those issues that you have
raised, they might come back on this -- as a project and I can speak to it, because I'm
not on Council, but they might come in and they might change that density. I don't know
if they will or not, but they might change that density a little bit on some of those
frontage areas, so -- but because you raise the issue. So, elevate those -- those issues,
you know, highlight the things that you think deserve closer examination, because that
is -- that is helpful. Yeah. And the failure -- you know, don't think of it as failure if we
don't go -- if the Council -- it's a Commission recommendation, because, like I said, the
changes and you have six people up there, plus the Mayor, who sometimes can have
strong opinions about things and we can be like herding cats. You know, serving as
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Council President as I have done two different times, that's an interesting dynamic trying
to keep people going in the same direction and coming to a conclusion. But, again, I
know everyone had that -- had the best desires for our community at heart. I just
wanted to touch on things. Schools. That's a great issue. We looked at what ACHD
says about and we are involved in that as, you know, in the traffic commission. The five
year plan, making recommendations, what the priorities are for community. Schools is
a different animal, Mr. Seal. You are right. We had a meeting with the school board
and Dr. Bub and -- because that was an issue, state law gives us that much wiggle
room on moratoriums, because we are -- you know, thinking do we need -- in south
Meridian due to the school issue, moratoriums, but really from a legal perspective it's --
it's a very small area that we can operate. Usually it's a lot of emergency type stuff to
place a moratorium. But the school came back and said, look, we have different things
that we can do. We will move people. We will bus people. We will change boundaries.
All these things -- it's on us. So, that's why we kind of went, okay, I mean they are
elected officials, they are -- and growing up here when -- having moved when Meridian
is where Cole Valley is now that was used as the junior high and, then, the -- I forgot the
-- the junior high out on Eagle Road and named for the former principal --
superintendent of schools. Yeah. Lowell Scott. And I should know, because he was
the one that hired my dad for -- as a teacher and a coach at Meridian. But we went to
Lowell Scott when it was brand new for 8th grade and people thought we are going to
be corrupted by Norm's bar across Eagle Road and all that, so, then, we came back
and what was the -- the junior high was now a mid school, ninth grade only for several
years. Went to the old Meridian High School, which is now the junior high and, then,
second class to graduate from Meridian High School and within a few years it was
overcrowded until Centennial came along. My kids raised them here. Did spend four
years back in DC. My wife made me promise to come back and which -- which we did.
But growing up here they are in portables. They are dividing lines that were -- because
we lived on the north side of Ustick Road and on the west side of Linder, they were
going to have him go to -- when he started middle school to Eagle Middle School. It's
like, wait a minute, that's not my community. I mean we are -- what about -- what's
wrong with Meridian and are -- or Lowell Scott or those types of things. So, yeah, it's --
it's a difficult one and we have never built roads in advance of the growth, we have
never built schools ahead of the growth and it's interesting to see how that trend -- and
we see it in Nampa as well, how it impacts certain areas, but overall the enrollment is
not skyrocketing like we thought it would. I think it is because of charter schools,
because of private schools, because some families having fewer kids and some who
move here, they are coming back to be with family and as -- as -- as grandparents. So,
anyway, I thought that the best thing would be to allow you to ask questions of me.
Having that perspective, it's still fresh, brought back a lot of memories. I just lost that
twitch, too. But what do you have questions of and I will try and answer for you about
being on Council and things you might go why do you guys do this. So, I can give you
my opinion. But happy to answer anything that you want to ask.
Seal: Well, I will start out -- it's something that I have kind of tried to get -- talked to the
Mayor about a little bit, but the -- we used to have joint meetings between City Council
and -- and Planning and Zoning and we haven't had any for quite a while and I -- is that
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something that -- that you see value in? I mean because I did when we -- I had only
done two of them, but at the same time I found a lot of value in those when we did them,
just because of the -- being able to kind of speak freely about, you know, and ask
questions of -- of Council people as far as, you know, why they thought about, you
know, a project in a certain way or something like that.
Hoaglun: Sure. And, Mr. Chairman, I think -- and Commissioners, I do like that idea.
We have to make sure that it's -- it's done properly, because there is always legal issues
and are we treading into areas that we shouldn't, but to have that ability to see how
Council looks at things or understand if staff has an issue that they think, hey, we are
going to present to the Commissioners about, because we are changing, we want to do
some changes to the Comprehensive Plan and we are also going to go to the City
Council with it, maybe that's an opportunity for a joint meeting, because then -- because
I think it does help. There is -- there is a -- there is a unity aspect to it I think. Again,
there might be differences of opinion on whether we do this or do that, but, then, you
can deliberate in your body on things and we do it in the Council level, but I -- I'm
always a fan of more collaboration than less collaboration in terms of working together,
even though because of the rules and the issues that we deal with you can't -- you can't
be talking about that stuff, but on things that staff might have that would benefit both --
both bodies, I like that idea. But I don't have any pull anymore, so --
Seal: Okay. Thank you. Commissioners? Commissioner Smith, go ahead.
Smith: I'm still in the public hearing mode. So, had a drawing on when -- my first year
in Transportation Commission, they are still kind of-- each commission kind of had an --
almost an ex-officio member and Councilman Cavener was on the -- you know, serving
as an ex-officio there and I remember a lot of times him being kind of a valuable
resource in some deliberation, but kind of really being careful about the why of not
dictating what Council wanted to see. So, now that you are not in that position where
you have to worry about kind of -- are there any times where, you know, you kind of get
something and you go, oh, I wish the transportation -- or the -- I wish the Planning and
Zoning Commission -- or I wish, you know, whatever commission would have thought
about X or -- or brought up this issue, et cetera. You know, obviously, none of us are --
all of us are human thing and we don't know everything --
Hoaglun: Yeah.
Smith: -- but are there times where you just like -- or specific focus areas where like,
oh, they really missed the mark here?
Hoaglun: Yeah. I don't think the commissioners necessarily missed the mark. It's just
sometimes things change or they may not know from a Council perspective what we are
looking at maybe long range in areas that we may understand and trying to plan. I
remember when I was previously on Council we were working on the Ten Mile -- Ten
Mile plan and, you know, there is a lot that goes into it and there is a lot of moving parts
and you aren't sure what's going to happen. So, the traffic commission, for example,
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may be thinking about things without really -- and I think about traffic commission at
some point, but that's -- that's been a lot of years ago and I came in kind of in the middle
of it, they had already started it and back then Council was only four members and I
pushed for six. I was the only one who worked a full time job. Everyone else was
retired or semi-retired and I'm thinking, yeah, we need to expand -- expand to six and,
then, when I decided not to run and I had changed jobs and the flexibility wasn't there to
serve, because it does take a lot of time and meeting times, you are like this, but that
packet -- there is a lot of reading to do and -- and -- and, oh, I -- and I'm going to jump
aside real quick while I remember this thought for the new members. Once you get
some meetings under your belt and you are participating and whatnot, go back and read
the minutes. It was helpful for me. I hated it, because it will make you more succinct in
your comments and how you -- how you do things, because you see the -- because I
know how to read the minutes and you go, man, I started that sentence three different
times. What is wrong with me, you know. You hate doing that. But do it every now and
then just to check on yourself and see how you are doing. But it's going to take a while
before you are -- you are talking like these do and making motions and it does take a
while, because it's a unique process, so -- but back to you. It's -- sometimes it's just not
having the full information and I do think that's where liaisons can be helpful. The
downside of us growing as a city and having more work was when I became council
president the last two years when I was setting that up and people were going -- and
everyone in that group works in full-time jobs and some travel and saying I don't have
time to do everything that needs to be done. So, there has been some loss and I know
some liaisons -- I did hear back that they don't show up very often. You know, it's just
an occasional type thing, which I understand. So, it does help if you get folks who can
serve as liaison. I do think, again, not that they weigh in, but sometime can give
guidance on perspective of future things or how it's viewed from a big picture
standpoint. So, yeah, if we get people who can -- can do that, it's -- it's a good thing.
But I don't know when -- if -- it really depends on the individuals and their workload and
it's -- it is tough now, because it's a -- council members do get paid. It's a little bit. I
think we figured out one time -- it depends on the week, but that week was seven
dollars an hour, you know, so --
Seal: I will ask a question that we actually ask a lot of the candidates, just from your
perspective. In Meridian we talk about responsible growth and what does that mean to
you? And I mean I just -- I value that perspective from Council Members.
Hoaglun: We want to have it orderly. As you know, we don't like leapfrog development
and I remember -- I wasn't on Council then, but, you know, the discussion with Owyhee
High School, you know, because we know going out beyond -- and Meridian High
School is the same thing. That was out there, you know, because Meridian city limit --
and it is still within limits, but really hadn't grown to that -- that point yet. Because you
know it's going to -- it's going to impact in the area and it will change and, of course, the
state highway running through there is -- is a big change. Orderly growth does mean
different things to different people and, you know, we have a state Local Land Use
Planning Act that dictates some of the things that we have to follow and private property
rights -- if you look at the state code and different things, they have -- private property
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up there is number one and so -- and that's the thing that I -- you try to explain gently to
people sometimes and as chairman you did a good job tonight, you know, trying to
frame the argument that, you know, we have a Comprehensive Plan, we have zoning,
we have different things that we set out as rules and if they follow the rules -- there is
not much -- unless we want to be seen as a city and pay -- end up paying big bucks of
hard earned taxpayer dollars, we kind of have to do certain things. So, that orderly
growth -- would I like to see it a little slower at times? Yes, I would. But how do you do
that when all the rules are met? It's contiguous. It follows the comp plan. ACHD says
the roads can -- well, by that time will meet the -- what's necessary. There is not much
to hang your hat on to -- to issue a denial. But at the same time, too, there are
developers that you really have to keep a close eye on, who really try to barely get by
and if you deal with them, we deal with them and there is the other developers, you
know, that, hey, they are going to do the things that -- what's not asked of them,
because they -- they really want to make a better community as well and make their
project the best it could be. So, that's -- that's a tough one, Mr. Chairman, because
people do see it differently and with -- within the rules that you have to play by there --
it's -- you are limited by how much you can do to kind of squeeze that down. I wish I
had a great answer for you, but I really don't.
Seal: No. And it is, it's -- it's -- it's definitely something that's -- I mean it's a -- it's a
private answer for every individual. So, I know -- you know. And I know both sides of it.
So, I have lived on the outskirts of Meridian three times now. So, you know. Now I
don't live on the outskirts anymore and -- and, you know, but right in the middle.
Exactly. So, you know, that's -- that's just something that you -- you know, I have gotten
used to that. I'm never going to live on the outskirts of Meridian again, because it's just
going to move -- you know. And I can appreciate having, you know, bought when the
market was affordable and now having a son who is trying to find his way in this market,
I -- I have had tremendous growth and that just looking at things differently where when
I first started it was like, oh, my gosh, who puts that many houses in a subdivision. Now
I look at it like, you know, it fits there.
Hoaglun: Yeah.
Seal: There is going to be somebody really happy to live there.
Hoaglun: Absolutely. And that's the thing, having a variety of housing -- same thing.
Ten years ago my kids were looking for a house and it was just like -- you are going to
pay that? Well, that was ten years ago. Just going ouch -- ouch. What in the world.
And, of course, mom and dad, can you help, you know, that sort of thing and we can't
afford the house we live in now, because when the dairy farmer -- in the last year from
when we went away, we kept an acre. Tore down the old farm house and move back
from DC that my wife grew up in and built our house there and, yeah, an acre of ground
in Meridian now -- it's fantastic. So, when -- it's BridgeTower Subdivision -- the old
BridgeTower now -- came in, you know, we talked to the developer and, okay, it was a
three to one behind our one acre. Okay. Two and two-thirds maybe. But, you know, it
is what it is. There is no -- there is not going to be a one to one. I can't afford it. Unless
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-- unless we want to change the look and feel of our communities -- something different,
maybe to like our neighbor to the north and we have always been the middle child, if
you will, between what that is to the north and maybe to the south. It's -- I think it's a
sweet spot, because we do try to have things that are affordable for everybody and
that's the thing I think, too -- I'm going to preach a little bit -- affordable housing is not
low income housing anymore. It's not. You know. And that's -- that someone -- we put
in an affordable housing project over here off of Ustick Road and near Linder -- I mean
it's -- it's for working folks. It's people who have jobs. It's people who -- people who just
retired and living on their pension and Social Security and the housing market has just
gotten so crazy, that it's just -- it's not Section 8 housing and I'm not deriding that, but
our community is such that we want to have things for our kids to be able to live in, for
grandparents to come back and live near their children and grandchildren and having
that variety -- so, that's the challenge, too, is how do you make that look -- just like your
project was tonight. Does it fit? Does it flow? Does it, you know, transition well? And
those are -- like I said, there is no right or wrong answer, it's just that fear that, okay, is
this workable and is this the best thing for our community, so -- you had a good taste of
it tonight, so -- from -- from projects already, so -- which is good, so -- other questions?
So, then, Caleb, you are going to be up next?
Seal: Thank you, Councilman Hoaglun. I appreciate the -- love the questions and the
insight for sure. So, thank you.
Hood: Mr. Chair, Commissioners, before we jump back into the PowerPoint and my
slides, I will apologize to Mr. Hoaglun and the great state of Minnesota for claiming him
as our own. I guess I remember hearing some of the stories about him growing up and
raising his family here and I extrapolated that to be a native, you know, under an
enormous bar having a drink and he is telling me these stories about -- no. Anyway, so
I -- I do apologize for that. But thanks for setting the record straight and your service to
our community and being here this evening. Do appreciate you, Brad, and thank you.
And, then, also -- and he did a better job than I will, but I will also just thank you for your
service. We don't make light and we do remember, quite frankly, you don't get
chocolates, you get a big whopping dollar paycheck every month -- or a zero dollar
paycheck every month. So, what you do is commendable and just appreciate your
heart for this community as well. So, with -- with that being said I do have a couple of
slides. It's actually more than a couple. It's a handful. I'm going to run through them
pretty rapidly at this point. I will ask you to look and read more of the slide than listen to
me. I'm going to put a finer point on maybe some of the bullet points that are there. I
will try to linger for a little bit on each slide, but I'm not going to read them to you. So,
this one I think -- I do just appreciate the first two in this one. I appreciate your interest
in land use planning in our community and, again, I will reiterate this, I think everyone's
just time is dedicated -- not only just on Thursday nights, but even in preparation for
Thursday nights and taking some time to read and understand and begin to formulate
some thoughts about each project that's on your agenda. So, there is other things, but I
think that is -- the top two on this to me are right at the very top of being a successful
commissioner. Knowledge -- again, I don't plan on reading too much of this, but just an
overall knowledge and understanding at least. You -- you don't need to be planning
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staff. You don't need to be a certified planner. Some of the stuff you will wish you didn't
know, but you will pick it up over time. We don't ask you to memorize the code. We will
write down the applicable parts of the code and the Comprehensive Plan and state code
and all that, so -- but, again, you will -- you will -- you will pick up on some of this stuff.
But -- but do some of that research on your own, too. Even some of the things with
Robert's Rules and how we operate. Again, it's second nature to some and you will --
you will pick it up, so just that willingness I think is great. Listening -- and, again, I don't
-- I don't see any of this, but even some of the -- this didn't come up, but I know in the
past we have had some that will be on their phone, you know, and you can tell. I mean
you can try to be -- and it's not a, hey, this meeting is running late quick text, it's more of
a, you know, sitting back slouching, not listening to people talk and I'm disinterested
really in that. So, just, you know, make eye contact, appear at least that you are
engaged if not fully being listening and those nonverbal cues I guess on this one. So,
there is some more of those things about slouching and whatnot. Yeah. This one I will
-- again, I will just really let you read this one. And this one I think what I will maybe
point out as you are reading it -- and, again, please read more than listen to me.
Sometimes I feel like past commissions have all wanted to get to yes and we want that,
too. Whether it's a yes to deny or a yes to approve -- it is okay to disagree. Do that
respectfully, please. And again, there -- there is not an issue, but just make sure -- and
-- and sometimes it seems like it can drag on trying to persuade each -- respectfully
trying to persuade each other the other way. Split votes are fine. Honestly. I mean if
you can get there and consensus I think is great. You don't have to be. Please just
remain respectful, courteous amongst yourselves. We are watching, too, as well, so --
but, again, you don't necessarily have to all agree before a motion is made or if you
really don't believe in the project -- and, again, this has happened before. It doesn't
have to be a hundred percent of you voting in favor or against a project. So, again, all --
I think we have talked about some of these already. I will say it just one more time, I
think. Prepare. And I think Councilman Hoaglun -- Brad, sorry, we are available as
staff. So, you read the report and it doesn't make sense to you, you don't understand it,
call us, e-mail us, whatever. We are available. You can't talk to pretty much anyone
else, but city -- city staff. You can reach out to us. So, please, do if you have any
questions. Ahead of time is great. During the meetings is fine, too. But we can have a
little bit more frank conversation if you talk to us just one on one. That isn't an ex-parte
communication. So, just so you are not confused on that. I won't mess around with this
one too much. Kurt covered a lot of the -- the -- when the agenda has to be published
and that -- and that type of a thing. We will take care of the minutes. We talked about
summary minutes. We do verbatim. Role of the chair. We -- I won't get into that either,
but it's -- it's there. It sounds like Commissioner Seal will be chairman again for the next
year, but if you are, you know, next year wanting to serve we will help you with some of
that, too. There is a cheat sheet that -- that's put together that's handed down now over
time, kind of at the beginning where you -- you explain to everybody how the meeting is
going to work and things like that, but we can -- we can prep you a little bit more if -- if
you are --
Lorcher: Are the remarks that we make okay at the beginning to explain the public
hearing process?
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Hood: Yes. I -- yeah. They have been -- they have cleared legal and I think --
Lorcher: Okay.
Hood: -- and to me, too, I think it does --
Lorcher: I'm copying his, so --
Hood: I think it helps the public, too. I really do. I know sometimes for me it's almost --
I have heard it before, so I'm not actively listening, but when I do listen to the words that
are coming out. I really do think it helps people in the audience understand what's
about to happen, so --
Lorcher: I appreciate that. That actually says the public -- I don't know if it's required or
not, but to be able to explain that, because all the people listening in there come to
maybe one meeting in their lifetime and so to be able to explain that is very helpful and
it was challenging, because you want to answer that guy's question who kind of went
out of turn, but, then, you are not -- that's not part of it, so --
Seal: And you can't.
Lorcher: Yeah.
Seal: Yeah. I mean the -- kind of the outline from that came from Rhonda and, then, a
little bit earlier and, then, Commissioner McCarvel took it and really amplified it,
because she was like -- she just really wanted to get that information out there. So, that
pared it down a little bit and, you know, whoever goes next will do what they want to,
so --
Starman: Reinforce two things. I agree with all that a hundred percent. So, just two
pretty much related thoughts. So, one is I agree with Commissioner Lorcher's comment
one hundred percent. For most people -- not our applicants necessarily, but for most
people, you know, they might come to one of these meetings in a lifetime, maybe twice.
It's intimidating. It's foreign. They really don't understand how it works or what the
process is and so I think that's super helpful and I share your thoughts on it. I think it's
really helpful -- for just kind of our lay audience members in particular, this may be their
first and only time they ever come and just understand what's going on and the other
observation that's going to make -- and Caleb hit on this like two or three times now, but
I want to compliment the Commission as a whole, but Chairman Seal in particular, that it
is super intimidating for many people to come to a podium like that and people hate to
speak in public, number one, and this is a very formal kind of intimidating area and so,
you know, to make that person feel comfortable -- you have a very nice knack about
you, you know, they feel welcome and I think the fact, you know, that -- the idea of
listening intently and being able to make some kind of connection, eye contact and so
forth, is super important, because people are -- you know, at a minimum they are
probably intimidated and some of them are quite fearful and they almost dread coming
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up to a podium like that. So, thank you for all you do -- collectively as a commission do
a great job and I will single out Chairman Seal in particular, I think he has a really nice
touch about that.
Seal: Appreciate that.
Hood: If I can -- maybe in the same vein -- and using tonight as an example, it hasn't
happened for a while. You do have -- and Kurt explained it during the hearing. You do
have some discretion there. If you want to have -- you know, if an applicant is up here
-- and I'm not saying this happened tonight, but there is new information or they are
making accusations against -- you know, if you -- and you are like, okay, yeah, we need
to have other people come up to rebut what they just said and, you know, don't just drop
the mic necessarily; right? You can do that. What -- the approach I would just
recommend you thinking about -- it is your discretion, Chair. You could almost
informally poll the rest -- you know, you -- you don't have to be the bad guy or the good
guy; right? You can say, hey, should we take -- so, that is your discretion. I will also
say though -- and I'm sure Mr. Starman would have reminded you, but the applicant
does still get the last word, though. They get to come back up -- if you are going to do
that -- so, you can reopen a closed public hearing. You can have them testify twice.
So, you are basically just going through this loop and the applicant should always have
the last opportunity to address you before we close the public hearing. And, then, I will
just say this again -- again, if you have any other clarifying things for staff, we can still
talk with a closed public hearing, that just means that the audience is done; right?
Again, I know most of you understand all that, but just -- so, you do not -- you still have
some discretion. You can -- you can undo things you have already done. Like closing a
public hearing. But, anyway, so I think that's that slide.
Seal: One thing I would like to add on to that is one of the things that I try to do -- and I
didn't do a very good job of it early on -- was I try to get things addressed as part of the
public hearing process. So, I can make statements and, you know, put opinions out
there and things like that, like I did tonight, but I don't want to surprise anybody with with what I -- especially the applicant with what I'm going to say. You know, there is the question should have been asked. I mean the idea of -- of how I think about this,
whether I support it or not, should be, you know, something that can be inferred fairly
easily, so just try and make sure that your -- get your comments, get your points out
during the public hearing portion of it, so that way it's not a big surprise when something
else is brought up about it, like, you know, I hate the street, you know, or I don't like the
design or, you know, whatever that is. I mean those opinions should already be out
there.
Hood: I will just add, again, similar to that -- to that comment. This Commission -- and
this has been a long standing kind of unwritten rule. You will go down the line and
everyone will kind of share their two cents and during the deliberation process, not in
the public hearing like you were just talking about, Mr. Chair. But as you are
deliberating. That isn't required. You don't have to -- you know, to your point people
should know where you are at. It shouldn't be a surprise, but you don't necessarily have
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to explain yourself. So, it's -- to each his own and how you are comfortable, that just --
just more for the new Commissioners, you know, you will be asked, but you -- don't feel
like you have to say something with every project. That is, again, kind of the long-
standing tradition, but that's not a requirement by any means, so --
Lorcher: Yeah. I would say for tonight, you know, Jared and I kind of took the reins to
kind of create an example, but there is plenty of times where either of us might say
anything on an application and once you get more comfortable with it, then, you will,
too, and if you have something to add you can, if it's already been said, then, you don't.
Seal: I'm writing that down that there is times that Jared is not going to say --
Smith: I'm a windbag. I will take your advice and go look back at the minutes and --
Hood: All right. So, just some -- just some thoughts while you are asking questions,
maybe prod and -- and thoughtfully inquire. Again, just -- maybe gets the blood flowing
a little bit better if you are looking to ask some questions. I think we have covered a lot
of this. I believe these are just summary slides here. Do participate and be actively
listening. Making motions. Again, we talked about this a little bit on Tuesday when we
met for orientation. We do set forward at least the start of a motion in -- I call them
outline -- I like to call them the cheat sheet. So, it's -- it's there for you. Yeah. I think
that if you have any questions --
Lorcher: Very helpful.
Hood: I was just going to say if you have any feedback on that or questions, we can --
we can amend that, but I think we are in a pretty good point where we try to summarize
the high points on a page.
Seal: I find that extremely helpful, so it's --
Hood: And, again, the idea with that is not to -- instead of reviewing the information and
reading public testimony and agency comments and all that stuff, but just as -- to have a
frame -- maybe something to take notes on and whatnot, so -- and traps to avoid.
Again, I'm not going to read them to you. You know, one of the things that we -- we
can't do is design it from the dais; right? That's -- that's not a best practice. It's usually
not very productive. Not to say you can have some thoughts and whatever, but when
we try to design a project you are going to have six, seven different ideas on how it
could be done better potentially. So, if you want to direct an applicant to go back to the
drawing board and here is some thoughts on when you do that, but on the fly and all
that -- it usually doesn't go very well. And this one I think -- I'm getting towards the end
here. Again, the first one in -- and follow may even be -- but trust the code, the comp
plan and the process; right? Trust your gut. I mean that was said a couple of times.
But, really, we do try to put forward those things. I get it. It's tough when you got
neighbors here that, you know, I have been saving my pennies and this is -- you know,
this is the worst thing that's going to happen and safety and all those things. There has
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been thought put into these things and, yes, you are here to kind of decide and tweak
and make sure it is right and in the best interest of our community, but the code and the
comp plan -- it's not perfect, but that process really does hopefully get things pointed in
the right direction. Number five. A good record. So -- and six. So, a good record
doesn't necessarily -- you know, Dean's taking the minutes. There is YouTube video we
can watch. We will write down the findings and the conclusions, but we really do need
your help on, you know, if you are going to add a condition it should be clear the
discussion on why that condition. It wasn't just a random -- and build a sidewalk over
there. It's like where did that -- we didn't talk about that at all. Didn't come from the
public. You know, it's just this -- so, help us and everyone understand the nexus for
your conditions or your action, whatever the case may be. So, we will document that,
but if you can help us understand the thought process that really will help, so -- again, I
think these are -- this kind of summarizes a lot of the previous slides. Then this is my
last one. Just a couple of resources. So, if you want to -- I know you have all been to
the website, because you look at the packet from the clerk and whatnot. This one -- the
Idaho Chapter of the American Planning Association, they have some good resources
there. They -- it's not a hundred percent endorsed by the city, but they have some good
stuff there. There is this planning tools and guidelines book. It's got everything you
could ever want to know about takings and ethics and open meetings and ex-parte. It's
not all just legal stuff, but if you really want to get into case law and things there is --
there is really good tools and guidelines. You can kind of jump around, depending on
the topic. It's -- I think it's like 700 pages. But the table of contents is really good and if
you are curious about zoning and the history of zoning you could go and read some of
that. So, I will endorse it. It's not necessarily a tool that we use as a city, but I think it's
very helpful, especially if you want to dig a little deeper into some of these things. There
is hyperlinks to court cases that kind of explain some of that. AP's website. There is a
bunch of different journals and excerpts on topics. Housing; right? Housing is a big
topic. Best practices that way, too. So, anyways, just some websites and resources.
The last one -- so, the -- the three -- kind of towards the bottom there. Those are books
that are, you know, recommended if you want something to put you to sleep at night,
but really pretty good, actually, about furthering kind of your role in this process and,
then, the last one is just -- we do have -- it's -- it's small, but the Council does -- typically
annually and this year is included. We do have a small training budget. So, if you see
something at one of these websites and say, hey, you know, there is a conference
coming, it's 200 bucks, can I go to that? Will the city pay for me to go to this? I want to
learn more and it's related; right? It shouldn't be a culinary class. It needs to be related.
But housing or economic development or whatever, let me know and we may be able to
send you there. So, look for those things. If you just run across those trainings -- local
trainings, especially maybe even regional if we can do it, you know, relatively
inexpensively, but if you want to learn more -- become a better Commissioner, I want to
support you in that. So, I think with that we will all stand for questions again. Thank
you, Brad, for being here. Kurt. And the Commission for your time this evening.
Seal: The only thing I will add to that -- and you kind of touched on a couple of times,
Caleb, in here, is just don't be afraid to be the voice of dissent or the voice of optimism
when everybody else is not looking that way. So, every opinion is appreciated for sure.
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And I can tell you when -- when Rhonda was chair it was -- we had a lot of tiebreakers
that went down and it's when I learned the most, to be perfectly honest, just because
there was just so many differing opinions on stuff. But at the end of the day, you know,
when -- after the -- you know, the vote was held we were back to being good neighbors.
So, you can disagree respectfully, make your point and everything, and truly it is
appreciated. So, you know, the idea is that we are all going to think differently. That's
why there is seven of us. So, appreciate any -- any and all input, as long as it's
respectful.
Hood: Mr. Chair, I did have one more thing. I know it wasn't part of my -- my
presentation, but I did want to -- the question you asked Brad about a joint meeting. So,
I have talked to the Mayor's chief of staff about that again and I have over time. This
ties in a little bit with maybe -- if there is an opportunity. We are working on revamping
the staff report and I know you have heard about that, because we have been working
on it for over a year off and on, but we are gearing back up and you and the Council are
super users of our staff report. So, to me that is a good workshop item to sit and share
with you before we start using it and publishing it and you can play with it and we can
explain it to you and even receive feedback. Hey, you know, this section maybe -- what
about if you moved it down? Maybe Council says, nope, we like it where it's at. But you
understand that and you all are using it and so if you are overruled or -- or you all agree,
but at least you understand kind of how we got there with that. So, just so you know, I
am somewhat lobbying for that. I'm advocating for that anyways. Either way we will
come to you as a body and them as a body. If we can do that together I think that's
even better. But that's not my call. So, I just want to let you know we are working on
the staff report and here in the next couple of months even, if not sooner, we will be
back before you and kind of run through that with you again here, so, I'm sorry, I had
that --
Seal: That's okay, because I had kind of one more thing, too. So, Caleb, and I -- we
are just going to go back and forth all night. No. And I actually wrote it down, because I
didn't want to forget about it and some mistakes that I made early on. So, one thing I
will say is when -- when you are asked about your attendance, if you are going to be
able to attend the meeting, please, reply to all, so that's helpful for me just to keep track
of it. We -- we are kind of spoiled with our -- with our clerk. He treats us very well.
Thank you very much. But -- and the other part of that is if you do have questions of
staff, ask staff independently and if it's something that they think needs to be
disseminated or you would like them to disseminate that information have them and do
that, so that is on the public record and it becomes part of the record. So, definitely give
that advice.
Parsons: Mr. Chair, I had one comment, thinking about Rhonda. Ms. McCarvel. The
reason why we developed that -- that outline was that -- if you recall some of the
Commissioners were asking a lot of questions of staff before the applicant could even
go --
Hood: Yeah.
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Parsons: -- and get to their portion of the project. So, she felt we were getting off topic
and the meetings weren't being very efficient. So, I would just ask that you guys keep
that in mind and keep that practice going as well, because that is a best practice in my
opinion. It works well, because sometimes your questions may get answered by the
applicant or they may be the best person to answer it for you. Even though we are
subject matter experts with the comp plan, code, but maybe they had a different vision
or they designed it a certain way because of their thought process and it's good for you
to hear that side as well.
Seal: Appreciate that. Any other questions? I was going to say we don't often get to
grill all these people, so -- appreciate everybody's time tonight for certain. So, thanks --
thanks again for letting us pick your brain and -- and giving us the information that we
have here. Appreciate it. So, with that Commissioner Lorcher?
Lorcher: Mr. Chair, I motion we adjourn.
Smith: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded that we adjourn. All in favor, please, say aye.
Opposed nay? We are adjourned. Thanks, everyone.
MOTION CARRIED: FIVE AYES. TWO ABSENT.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:49 P.M.
(AUDIO RECORDING ON FILE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS. )
APPROVED
2 I 15 1 2024
ANDREW SEAL - CHAIRMAN DATE APPROVED
ATTEST:
CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK
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Seal: All right. Thanks, everyone. And with that, unless staff has anything else?
Nope? Not tonight. I will take one more motion.
Rivera: I will make a motion to adjourn.
Smith: Second.
Seal: It's been moved and seconded to adjourn. All in favor say aye. Any opposed?
We are adjourned. Thanks, everyone.
MOTION CARRIED: FOUR AYES. ONE ABSENT.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:15 P.M.
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APPROVED
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ANDREW SEAL - CHAIRMAN DATE APPROVED
ATTEST:
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CHRIS JOHNSON - CITY CLERK
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ITEM TOPIC: Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law for WaFed (H-2023-0068) by WP5
Meridian, LLC, located at 3423 E Ustick Rd.
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CITY OF MERIDIAN
FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
AND
DECISION & ORDER
In the Matter of the Request for Conditional Use Permit for a Drive-through Establishment within
300-feet of another Drive-through Facility and Residential Use and per Requirement of the
Development Agreement for WaFed, Located at 3423 E. Ustick Rd. in the C-G Zoning District, by
WP5 Meridian, LLC.
Case No(s). H-2023-0068
For the Planning & Zoning Commission Hearing Date of: February 1, 2024 (Findings on February
15, 2024)
A. Findings of Fact
1. Hearing Facts (see attached Staff Report for the hearing date of February 1, 2024, incorporated by
reference)
2. Process Facts (see attached Staff Report for the hearing date of February 1, 2024, incorporated by
reference)
3. Application and Property Facts (see attached Staff Report for the hearing date of February 1,
2024, incorporated by reference)
4. Required Findings per the Unified Development Code (see attached Staff Report for the hearing
date of February 1, 2024, incorporated by reference)
B. Conclusions of Law
1. The City of Meridian shall exercise the powers conferred upon it by the “Local Land Use
Planning Act of 1975,” codified at Chapter 65, Title 67, Idaho Code (I.C. §67-6503).
2. The Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission takes judicial notice of its Unified Development
Code codified at Title 11 Meridian City Code, and all current zoning maps thereof. The City of
Meridian has, by ordinance, established the Impact Area and the Amended Comprehensive Plan
of the City of Meridian, which was adopted April 19, 2011, Resolution No. 11-784 and Maps.
3. The conditions shall be reviewable by the City Council pursuant to Meridian City Code § 11-5A.
4. Due consideration has been given to the comment(s) received from the governmental
subdivisions providing services in the City of Meridian planning jurisdiction.
5. It is found public facilities and services required by the proposed development will not impose
expense upon the public if the attached conditions of approval are imposed.
6. That the City has granted an order of approval in accordance with this decision, which shall be
signed by the Chairman of the Commission and City Clerk and then a copy served by the Clerk
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upon the applicant, the Planning Department, the Public Works Department and any affected
party requesting notice.
7. That this approval is subject to the conditions of approval in the attached staff report for the
hearing date of February 1, 2024, incorporated by reference. The conditions are concluded to be
reasonable and the applicant shall meet such requirements as a condition of approval of the
application.
C. Decision and Order
Pursuant to the Planning & Zoning Commission’s authority as provided in Meridian City Code § 11-
5A and based upon the above and foregoing Findings of Fact which are herein adopted, it is hereby
ordered that:
1. The applicant’s request for conditional use permit is hereby approved in accord with the
conditions of approval in the staff report for the hearing date of February 1, 2024, attached as
Exhibit A.
D. Notice of Applicable Time Limits
Notice of Two (2) Year Conditional Use Permit Duration
Please take notice that the conditional use permit, when granted, shall be valid for a maximum
period of two (2) years unless otherwise approved by the City in accord with UDC 11-5B-6F.1.
During this time, the applicant shall commence the use as permitted in accord with the
conditions of approval, satisfy the requirements set forth in the conditions of approval, and
acquire building permits and commence construction of permanent footings or structures on or
in the ground. For conditional use permits that also require platting, the final plat must be
signed by the City Engineer within this two (2) year period in accord with UDC 11-5B-6F.2.
Upon written request and filed by the applicant prior to the termination of the period in accord
with 11-5B-6.F.1, the Director may authorize a single extension of the time to commence the
use not to exceed one (1) two (2) year period. Additional time extensions up to two (2) years as
determined and approved by the Commission may be granted. With all extensions, the Director
or Commission may require the conditional use comply with the current provisions of Meridian
City Code Title 11.
E. Judicial Review
Pursuant to Idaho Code § 67-6521(1)(d), if this final decision concerns a matter enumerated in Idaho
Code § 67-6521(1)(a), an affected person aggrieved by this final decision may, within twenty-eight
(28) days after all remedies have been exhausted, including requesting reconsideration of this final
decision as provided by Meridian City Code § 1-7-10, seek judicial review of this final decision as
provided by chapter 52, title 67, Idaho Code. This notice is provided as a courtesy; the City of
Meridian does not admit by this notice that this decision is subject to judicial review under LLUPA.
F. Notice of Right to Regulatory Takings Analysis
Pursuant to Idaho Code §§ 67-6521(1)(d) and 67-8003, an owner of private property that is the
subject of a final decision may submit a written request with the Meridian City Clerk for a regulatory
takings analysis.
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G. Attached: Staff Report for the hearing date of February 1, 2024
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By action of the Planning & Zoning Commission at its regular meeting held on the ___________ day
of _____, 2024.
COMMISSIONER ANDREW SEAL, CHAIRMAN VOTED_______
COMMISSIONER MARIA LORCHER, VICE CHAIRMAN VOTED_______
COMMISSIONER JARED SMITH VOTED_______
COMMISSIONER PATRICK GRACE VOTED_______
COMMISSIONER ENRIQUE RIVERA VOTED_______
COMMISSIONER MATTHEW SANDOVAL VOTED_______
COMMISSIONER BRIAN GARRETT VOTED_______
_____________________________
Andrew Seal, Chairman
Attest:
__________________________________
Chris Johnson, City Clerk
Copy served upon the Applicant, the Planning and Development Services divisions of the Community
Development Department, the Public Works Department and the City Attorney.
By:__________________________________ Dated:________________________
City Clerk’s Office
15th
February
2-15-2024
2-15-2024
2-15-2024
EXHIBIT A
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HEARING
DATE:
2/1/2024
TO: Planning & Zoning Commission
FROM: Sonya Allen, Associate Planner
208-884-5533
SUBJECT: WaFed – CUP
H-2023-0068
LOCATION: 3423 E. Ustick Rd. in the NW 1/4 of
Section 4, T.3N., R.1E. (Lot 10, Block 1,
Southeast Corner Marketplace
Subdivision No. 2)
I. PROJECT DESCRIPTION
A Conditional Use Permit (CUP) is requested for a drive-through establishment within 300-feet of
another drive-through facility and a residential use and per requirement of the development
agreement. The site consists of 0.76-acre of land and is in the C-G zoning district.
II. SUMMARY OF REPORT
A. Project Summary
STAFF REPORT
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT
Description Details Page
Acreage 0.76-acre
Future Land Use Designation Mixed Use – Regional (MU-R)
Existing Land Use Vacant/undeveloped land
Proposed Land Use(s) Financial institution with a drive-through
Current Zoning General Retail & Service Commercial (C-G)
Physical Features (waterways,
hazards, flood plain, hillside)
NA
Neighborhood meeting date; # of
attendees:
11/14/23
History (previous approvals) AZ-03-022 (Kissler Dealy, DA Inst. #104093292); MI-07-
008 (Gateway Marketplace, amended DA Inst.
#108080951)
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A. Project Area Maps
III. APPLICANT INFORMATION
A. Applicant:
Andy Neff, WP5 Meridian, LLC – 2950 Airway Ave., Unit A9, Costa Mesa, CA 92626
B. Owner:
Same as Applicant
Future Land Use Map
Aerial Map
Zoning Map
Planned Development Map
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C. Representative:
Same as Applicant
IV. NOTICING
Planning & Zoning
Posting Date
Newspaper Notification 1/16/2024
Radius notification mailed to
properties within 300 feet 1/12/2024
Site Posting Date 1/17/2024
Next Door posting 1/10/2024
V. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN (HTTPS://WWW.MERIDIANCITY.ORG/COMPPLAN):
Land Use:
This property is designated Mixed Use – Regional (MU-R) on the Future Land Use Map
(FLUM).
The purpose of this designation is to provide a mix of employment, retail, and residential
dwellings and public uses near major arterial intersections. The intent is to integrate a variety of
uses together, including residential, and to avoid predominantly single use developments such as
a regional retail center with only restaurants and other commercial uses. Developments should be
anchored by uses that have a regional draw with the appropriate supporting uses.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES (https://www.meridiancity.org/compplan):
Goals, Objectives, & Action Items: Staff finds the following Comprehensive Plan policies to be
applicable to this application and apply to the proposed use of this property (staff analysis in
italics):
• “Require all new and reconstructed parking lots to provide landscaping in internal islands and
along streets.” (2.01.04B)
All parking lot landscaping is required to comply with the standards listed in UDC 11-3B-
8C.
• “Permit new development only where urban services can be reasonably provided at the time
of final approval and development is contiguous to the City.” (3.01.01F)
City water and sewer service stubs were provided to this lot with development of the
subdivision.
• “Plan for a variety of commercial and retail opportunities within the Area of City Impact.”
(3.05.01J)
The proposed bank with a drive-through will contribute to the variety of uses and services in
this area.
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• “Minimize noise, lighting, and odor disturbances from commercial developments to
residential dwellings by enforcing city code.” (5.01.01F)
Operation of the proposed use should comply with City ordinances pertaining to noise and
lighting.
VI. STAFF ANALYSIS
The Applicant proposes to construct a new 3,100 square foot (s.f.) building with a drive-through for
WaFed Bank on a 0.76-acre lot in the C-G zoning district.
A financial institution is listed as a principal permitted use in the C-G zoning district per UDC Table
11-2B-2, subject to the specific use standards listed in UDC 11-4-3-17. A drive-through establishment
requires approval of a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) when it’s within 300 feet of another drive-
through facility, an existing residence or a residential district per 11-4-3-11A.1. In this case, there are
two (2) other drive-through establishments that exist within 300 feet of the property – ICCU to the
west and Culver’s restaurant to the east; and existing residences within 300 feet of the property to the
southeast. The existing development agreement also requires CUP approval of all uses on the site
(AZ-03-022 Kissler Dealy, DA Inst. #104093292; MI-07-008 Gateway Marketplace, amended DA
Inst. #108080951).
Specific Use Standards: Staff’s analysis is in italics.
• Drive-Through Establishment: The proposed drive-through establishment is subject to the
specific use standards listed in UDC 11-4-3-11, Drive-Through Establishment. All establishments
providing drive-through service are required to identify the stacking lane, menu and speaker
location (if applicable), and window location on the site plan. The proposed site plan depicts the
stacking lane and service locations.
The site plan is required to demonstrate safe pedestrian and vehicular access and circulation on
the site and between adjacent properties. Pedestrian walkways are depicted on the site plan that
should provide safe pedestrian connectivity to the south and to the north to the sidewalk along
Ustick Rd. Vehicular access and circulation is provided on this site and with adjacent properties
that should be safe.
At a minimum, the plan is required to demonstrate compliance with the following standards:
1) Stacking lanes have sufficient capacity to prevent obstruction of driveways, drive aisles and
the public right-of-way by patrons;
The stacking lane provides sufficient capacity to prevent obstruction of driveways and drive
aisles by patrons.
2) The stacking lane shall be a separate lane from the circulation lanes needed for access and
parking, except stacking lanes may provide access to designated employee parking.
The stacking lane is a separate lane.
3) The stacking lane shall not be located within ten (10) feet of any residential district or existing
residence;
The stacking lane is not located within 10’ of any residential district or residence.
4) Any stacking lane greater than one hundred (100) feet in length shall provide for an escape
lane; and
An escape lane is depicted on the site plan.
5) The site should be designed so that the drive-through is visible from a public street for
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surveillance purposes.
The drive-through is located on the west side of the building and is visible from E. Ustick Rd.
• Financial Institution: The proposed use is also subject to the specific use standards listed in
UDC 11-4-3-17 for financial institutions, as follows:
A. The location, access and safety features of all automated teller machines (ATMs) shall be
subject to review and approval by the Meridian Police Department, and in accord with the
standards set forth in section 11-3A-16 of this title. The Police Dept. has reviewed and
approved the proposed site plan.
B. All ATMs shall be deemed an accessory use to a financial institution.
C. All approaches and entrances to ATMs should be highly visible and adequately lit so that
people cannot loiter, or enter, without being seen. The addition of security cameras are highly
recommended. One (1) ATM is located in the drive-through on the west side of the building
visible from Ustick Rd. and two (2) others are located on the south side of the building visible
from the parking lot and adjoining businesses. Wall sconces/lighting are depicted on the
south elevation on both sides of the area where the ATM’s are located; lighting should also
be provided on the west side of the building in the ATM location. Security cameras should
be provided in all ATM locations.
• Self-service Uses: Any unattended, self-service uses, including, but not limited to,
laundromats, automatic teller machines (ATMs), vehicle washing facilities, fuel sales facilities,
and storage facilities, shall comply with the following requirements. The Meridian Police Chief
or designee may approve alternative standards where it is determined that a similar or greater
level of security is provided.
A. Entrance or view of the self-service facility shall be open to the public street or to adjoining
businesses and shall have low impact security lighting. The ATM located on the west side of
the building is visible from Ustick Rd.; the ATM’s located on the south side of the building
are visible from the driveway along the east boundary of the site that provides access to the
development via Ustick Rd. and from internal driveways and adjoining businesses. Wall
sconces/lighting are depicted on the elevations on both sides of the area where the ATM’s
are located on the south side of the building; lighting should also be provided in the ATM
location on the west side of the building.
B. Financial transaction areas shall be oriented to and visible from an area that receives a high
volume of traffic, such as a collector or arterial street. The ATM on the west side of the
building is visible from Ustick Rd., an arterial street; the ATM’s located on the south side
of the building are not visible from a collector or arterial street but will be visible from the
driveway along the east side of the property that provides access for the development via
Ustick Rd.
C. Landscape shrubbery shall be limited to no more than three (3) feet in height between
entrances and financial transaction areas and the public street. The Appliance should
comply with this standard; modifications to the existing street buffer landscaping along
Ustick Rd. may be necessary.
Dimensional Standards: Future development should be consistent with the dimensional standards
listed in UDC Table 11-2B-3 for the C-G zoning district.
Access: Access is proposed via the north/south driveway along the eastern boundary of the site and
other existing driveways within the subdivision; direct access via E. Ustick Rd. is prohibited. A cross-
access easement (Inst. #106032444) exists between all lots in the subdivision as noted on the
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Southeast Corner Marketplace Subdivision No. 2 plat (note #6).
Parking: Off-street parking is required in accord with the standards listed in UDC 11-3C-6B.1, which
requires one (1) space for every 500 square feet of gross floor area. Based on 3,100 s.f., a minimum
of six (6) spaces are required; a total of 16 spaces are proposed, exceeding the minimum standards by
10 spaces.
A bicycle rack capable of holding at least one (1) bicycle is required per UDC 11-3C-6G; bicycle
parking facilities are required to comply with the location and design standards listed in UDC 11-3C-
5C. A bike rack is depicted on the site plan; a detail should be included on the site plan submitted
with the Certificate of Zoning Compliance application that complies with the aforementioned
design standards.
Landscaping: Street buffer landscaping was installed within the street buffer along E. Ustick Rd.
with the subdivision improvements as shown below:
Parking lot landscaping is required to be provided in accord with the standards listed in UDC 11-3B-
8C, except for the perimeter buffer along the west boundary. Because there is an existing buffer with
trees that meet UDC standards on the adjacent property to the west, no trees are required within the
perimeter buffer on this site. The tree classification should be included in the Tree Schedule on
the landscape plan to ensure compliance with UDC 11-3B-8C.1b. The perimeter buffer along
the west boundary of the site in the area adjacent to parking shall be widened to a minimum of
7 feet to allow for vehicle overhang in accord with UDC 11-3C-5B.4, unless wheel stops are
provided (if wheel stops are provided, the length of the parking spaces must be 19 feet). Staff
recommends the walkway in the southern parking area in the planter island is shifted to the
east side of the island with all of the landscaping on the west side of the walkway to prevent
“cut-throughs” by pedestrians through the landscape area to the walkway.
Sidewalks: A detached sidewalk exists along the northern perimeter boundary of the site within the
street buffer along E. Ustick Rd. A 5-foot wide pedestrian walkway is proposed from the perimeter
sidewalk to the main building entrance in accord with UDC 11-3A-19.B.4. The walkway is required
to be distinguished from the vehicular driving surface through the use of pavers, colored or
scored concrete, or bricks; the site plan should be revised accordingly.
Easements: There are existing easements on this lot as shown on the Southeast Corner Marketplace
Subdivision No. 2 plat, included below; these easements should be depicted on the site plan to
demonstrate the building doesn’t encroach within the easements.
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Mechanical Equipment: All mechanical equipment on the back of the building or on the rooftop and
all outdoor service and equipment should be incorporated into the overall design of buildings and
landscaping so that the visual and acoustic impacts of these functions are fully contained and out of
view from adjacent properties and public streets as set forth in UDC 11-3A-12.
Trash Enclosure: The proposed location for the trash enclosure is within a City water/sewer
easement; therefore, relocation of the enclosure is necessary outside of any and all easements. A
receptacle for recycling should be provided within the trash enclosure; a detail should be
submitted that demonstrates compliance.
Building Elevations: Conceptual building elevations were submitted as shown in Section VIII.C for
a single-story building that incorporates a mix of materials consisting of stucco with stone veneer
accents and metal awnings and canopies. The final design shall be consistent with the design
standards listed in the Architectural Standards Manual.
Certificate of Zoning Compliance & Design Review: A Certificate of Zoning Compliance and
Design Review application is required to be submitted for the proposed use prior to submittal of a
building permit application to ensure consistency with the conditions in Section IX, UDC standards
and design standards.
VII. DECISION
A. Staff:
Staff recommends approval of the proposed conditional use permit with the conditions included
in Section IX per the Findings in Section X.
B. The Meridian Planning & Zoning Commission heard this item on February 1, 2024. At the public
hearing, the Commission moved to approve the subject CUP request.
1. Summary of the Commission public hearing:
a. In favor: Andy Neff, WP5 Meridian, LLC (Applicant’s Representative)
b. In opposition: None
c. Commenting: None
d. Written testimony: Andy Neff, WP5 Meridian, LLC (Applicant’s Representative)
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e. Staff presenting application: Sonya Allen
f. Other Staff commenting on application: None
2. Key issue(s) of public testimony:
a. None
3. Key issue(s) of discussion by Commission:
a. None
4. Commission change(s) to Staff recommendation:
a. None
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VIII. EXHIBITS
A. Proposed Site Plan (dated: 10/16/23)
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B. Proposed Landscape Plan (dated: 10/12/23)
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C. Floor Plan & Building Elevations (dated: 10/16/23)
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IX. CITY/AGENCY COMMENTS & CONDITIONS
A. PLANNING
1. Future development of this site shall comply with the previous conditions of approval and
terms of the existing Development Agreements and the conditions contained herein [AZ-03-
022 (Kissler Dealy, DA Inst. #104093292); MI-07-008 (Gateway Marketplace, DA Inst.
#108080951).
2. The site plan and landscape plan submitted with the Certificate of Zoning Compliance
application shall be revised as follows:
a. All mechanical equipment on the back of the building and outdoor service and equipment
areas shall be depicted on the plans and incorporated into the overall design of buildings
and landscaping so that the visual and acoustic impacts of these functions are fully
contained and out of view from adjacent properties and public streets as set forth in UDC
11-3A-12.
b. The pedestrian walkway from the perimeter sidewalk along E. Ustick Rd. to the main
building entrance shall be distinguished from the vehicular driving surface through the
use of pavers, colored or scored concrete, or bricks as set forth in UDC 11-3A-19B.4b.
c. Include the tree classification in the Tree Schedule that demonstrates compliance with the
standards in UDC 11-3B-8C.1b.
d. Include a detail for the bicycle rack that complies with the design standards listed in UDC
11-3C-5C.
e. Depict the existing easements on this lot as shown on the Southeast Corner Marketplace
Subdivision No. 2 plat – no structures shall encroach in any existing easements; relocate
the trash enclosure accordingly.
f. Landscape shrubbery shall be limited to no more than three (3) feet in height between
entrances and financial transaction areas and the public street as set forth in UDC 11-3A-
16C; modifications to the landscaping in the existing street buffer along Ustick Rd. may
be necessary.
g. The perimeter buffer along the west boundary of the site in the area adjacent to parking
shall be widened to a minimum of 7 feet to allow for vehicle overhang in accord with
UDC 11-3C-5B.4 unless wheel stops are provided (if wheel stops are provided, the length
of the parking spaces shall be 19 feet).
h. Shift the walkway in the southern parking area in the planter island to the east side of the
island with all of the landscaping on the west side of the walkway to prevent “cut-
throughs” by pedestrians through the landscape area to the walkway.
3. Compliance with the standards listed in UDC 11-4-3-11 – Drive-Through Establishment, 11-
4-3-17 – Financial Institution and 11-3A-16 Self-service Uses is required.
4. Lighting and security cameras shall be provided in all ATM locations in accord with UDC 11-
3A-16A and 11-4-3-17C.
5. Direct access E. Ustick Rd. is prohibited.
6. A receptacle for recycling shall be provided within the trash enclosure; include a detail of the
trash enclosure that demonstrates compliance.
7. A Certificate of Zoning Compliance and Design Review application shall be submitted and
approved for the proposed use prior to submittal of a building permit application. The design
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of the site and structure shall comply with the standards listed in UDC 11-3A-19 and the design
standards listed in the Architectural Standards Manual.
8. The conditional use permit is valid for a maximum period of two (2) years unless otherwise
approved by the City. During this time, the Applicant shall commence the use as permitted in
accord with the conditions of approval, satisfy the requirements set forth in the conditions of
approval, and acquire building permits and commence construction of permanent footings or
structures on or in the ground as set forth in UDC 11-5B-6. A time extension may be requested
as set forth in UDC 11-5B-6F.
B. PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=325913&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
C. ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT (ACHD)
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=325915&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
D. POLICE DEPARTMENT
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=331451&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
E. IDAHO TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT (ITD)
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=328631&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
X. FINDINGS
Conditional Use (UDC 11-5B-6)
Findings: The commission shall base its determination on the conditional use permit request upon the
following:
1. That the site is large enough to accommodate the proposed use and meet all the dimensional and
development regulations in the district in which the use is located.
The Commission finds the site is large enough to accommodate the proposed development and
meet all dimensional and development regulations of the C-G zoning district.
2. That the proposed use will be harmonious with the Meridian comprehensive plan and in accord
with the requirements of this title.
The Commission finds the proposed financial institution with a drive-through will be harmonious
with the Comprehensive Plan and is consistent with applicable UDC standards with the
conditions noted in Section IX of this report.
3. That the design, construction, operation and maintenance will be compatible with other uses in
the general neighborhood and with the existing or intended character of the general vicinity and
that such use will not adversely change the essential character of the same area.
The Commission finds the design, construction, operation and maintenance of the proposed use
will be compatible with other uses in the general neighborhood, with the existing and intended
character of the vicinity and will not adversely change the essential character of the area.
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4. That the proposed use, if it complies with all conditions of the approval imposed, will not
adversely affect other property in the vicinity.
The Commission finds the proposed use will not adversely affect other properties in the vicinity if
it complies with the conditions in Section IX of this report.
5. That the proposed use will be served adequately by essential public facilities and services such as
highways, streets, schools, parks, police and fire protection, drainage structures, refuse disposal,
water, and sewer.
The Commission finds the proposed use will be served by essential public facilities and services
as required.
6. That the proposed use will not create excessive additional costs for public facilities and services
and will not be detrimental to the economic welfare of the community.
The Commission finds the proposed use will not create additional costs for public facilities and
services and will not be detrimental to the economic welfare of the community.
7. That the proposed use will not involve activities or processes, materials, equipment and
conditions of operation that will be detrimental to any persons, property or the general welfare by
reason of excessive production of traffic, noise, smoke, fumes, glare or odors.
The Commission finds the proposed use will not be detrimental to any persons, property or the
general welfare by the reasons noted above.
8. That the proposed use will not result in the destruction, loss or damage of a natural, scenic or
historic feature considered to be of major importance. (Ord. 05-1170, 8-30-2005, eff. 9-15-2005)
The Commission finds the proposed use will not result in the destruction, loss or damage of any
such features.
9. Additional findings for the alteration or extension of a nonconforming use:
a. That the proposed nonconforming use does not encourage or set a precedent for additional
nonconforming uses within the area; and,
This finding is not applicable.
b. That the proposed nonconforming use is developed to a similar or greater level of conformity
with the development standards as set forth in this title as compared to the level of
development of the surrounding properties.
` This finding is not applicable.
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Planning and Zoning Presentations and outline
Planning & Zoning
Commission Meeting
February 15, 2024
Zoning FLUM Aerial
Zoning FLUM Aerial
Zoning FLUM Aerial
R-8
R-15
Phasing Plan
Open Space Exhibit
Changes to Agenda:
• Item #4: Blayden Subdivision (H-2023-0043) – Applicant requests continuance to April 4th in order to allow additional
time to revise their plans.
Item #5: Kilgore (H-2023-0063)
Application(s):
Rezone
Size of property, existing zoning, and location: This site consists of 0.34 acres of land, zoned R-4, located at 1105 N. Meridian
Road.
History: None
Comprehensive Plan FLUM Designation: Old Town (O-T)
Summary of Request: The Applicant is requesting to rezone 0.34 acres of land from R-4 to O-T to operate a personal service for a
hair salon on the subject property. A legal description and exhibit map for the rezone area are included. This property is within the
City’s Area of City Impact boundary.
The proposed 1,193-square-foot hair salon will be located in the downtown area within the Meridian Urban Renewal District. The
building was built in 1948 and is slated for further improvements to meet city code requirements and enhance the customer
experience. The rear porch will be expanded to include an ADA ramp, and the Applicant will be required to pave the alley adjacent to
the property. Additionally, 5 parking stalls are proposed to be paved adjacent to the alley.
The proposed hours of operation would be from Tuesday to Saturday, 10:00 am to 6:00 pm.
Due to the size of the development, Staff believes a DA should not be required.
Dimensional Standards: The existing home meets all dimensional standards.
Access is provided via an alleyway to the north from W. Washington Street. The public street to the south of this property, W. Carlton
Avenue, operates as a one-way only leading eastward towards N. Meridian Road.
The existing home has unpaved parking off of the alleyway, with space for up to 5 parking stalls. There is currently no off-street
parking on this site. The Applicant is required to pave both the alley and the 5 proposed parking stalls with the development of the
site upon submittal of a future Certificate of Zoning Compliance Application. Wheel restraints should be added to prevent
overhanging beyond the designated parking stall dimension in accordance with UDC 11-3C-5.B(3). Additionally, ACHD
recommends paving the entire width of the alley from the edge of pavement from Carlton Avenue to the site’s northern property line and providing 20-feet of back-up area from any parking The alley should be signed with “No Parking” signs.
Old-Town is classified as a Traditional Neighborhood zoning district and no off-street parking is required for a lawfully existing
structure unless an addition occurs (UDC 11-3C-6B). No additions are proposed with this project except for expanding the rear
entry area. The Applicant is providing 5 parking stalls off the alley which meets the required number of off-street parking spaces (2
spaces required) per UDC 11-3C-6B.3 for the Traditional Neighborhood district.
A minimum of one (1) bicycle parking space is required to be provided. The site plan does not include bicycle racks. The Applicant
should revise the plans and include one (1) bicycle rack and submit a detail of the bicycle rack with the CZC submittal.
There is an existing 7-foot wide attached sidewalk on N. Meridian Road along the existing property frontage. Staff does not
recommend any additional changes to the frontage improvements. The Applicant is proposing installation of a 4-foot wide sidewalk
along the southern boundary of the site, extending from the parking stalls to the main entrance. All sidewalks around buildings and
serving public street shall be a minimum of five (5) feet in width in accordance with UDC 11-3A-17. Both ACHD and Staff
recommend that the Applicant construct a 5-foot wide detached concrete sidewalk abutting the site along W. Carlton
Avenue connecting to the sidewalk along N. Meridian Road. Additionally, Staff recommends that the Applicant remove the
4-foot sidewalk proposed on the south side of the property boundary and add a 5-foot sidewalk in front of the entire
parking area. Staff strongly encourages the Applicant to include a parkway along W. Carlton Avenue with trees, bushes,
lawn, or other vegetative cover in accordance with UDC 11-3B-7.C.
Staff recommends that the Applicant connect the proposed sidewalk at the main entrance of the building to the required sidewalk
to be installed along W. Carlton Avenue. This may require the removal of a section of the fencing on the south side of the
property (refer to redline on site plan below).
Fencing: The Applicant intends to remove the existing fencing on the west side of the property adjacent to the stalls. As mentioned
above, a portion of the fencing on the south side of the property should be removed to accommodate for the pedestrian walkway to
the main entrance of the building. The existing fencing surrounding a small patio in the front yard does comply with UDC code
requirements for fencing, as the maximum height for a front yard fence is 3-feet for closed vision fences or 4-feet for open vision
fences. No additional fencing is proposed. Staff recommends that the Applicant remove the existing fencing surrounding the
front yard patio with fencing that complies with the UDC Code (refer to picture below).
Building Elevations: Conceptual building elevations and perspectives were submitted for the existing structure. The building consists
of existing siding, facia trim, asphalt roof shingles and new wood deck with railing and ADA ramp. Only new additions to the structure
is the rear entry.
The proposed elevations are not approved with this application and will be reviewed with the Design Review application for
consistency with the design standards listed in the Architectural Standards Manual. Full compliance with the ASM is not required based on the limited scope of work associated with this project.
Written Testimony: None
Staff Recommendation: Approval of the proposed rezone from R-4 to O-T per the Conditions in the and Findings in the Staff Report.
Notes:
Possible Motions:
Approval
After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to recommend approval to the City Council of File Number H-
2023-0063, as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of February 15, 2024, with the following modifications: (Add any
proposed modifications to conditions)
Denial
After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to recommend denial to the City Council of File Number H-2023-
0063, as presented during the hearing on February 15, 20243, for the following reasons: (You should state specific reasons for
denial)
Continuance
I move to continue File Number H-2023-0063 to the hearing date of (insert continued hearing date here) for the following
reason(s): (You should state specific reason(s) for continuance)
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Item #6: Farmstone Crossing Subdivision (H-2023-0045)
Application(s):
Annexation
Preliminary Plat
Size of property, existing zoning, and location: This site consists of 33.89 acres of land, zoned RUT in Ada County, located at 820
S> Black Cat Road.
History: None
Comprehensive Plan FLUM Designation: Mixed Employment (ME)
Summary of Request: Annexation is requested of 33.89-acres from RUT to the M-E zoning district. The development abuts Mixed
Employment designated land to the east and borders I-84 to the south. This development is proposed to have access to a collector
street as desired. Medium-high-density residential uses are proposed to the north and light industrial to the west. Allowed uses in the
M-E district consist of offices, medical centers, research and development facilities, and light industrial uses with ancillary support
services. This area is intended to develop with approximately 378, 360 s.f., encompassing various potential uses like office, light
industrial operations, flex space, and research and development components such as distribution and light manufacturing.
The inclusion of loading docks on the elevations for the proposed flex buildings implies that all of the intended uses are
primarily related to distribution/warehousing, which requires a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) in the M-E zoning district.
The proposed preliminary plat consists of 6 building lots and 1 common lot on 27.59-acres of land in the M-E zoning districts for
Farmstone Crossing Subdivision. The subdivision is proposed to develop in two (2) phases as shown on the preliminary plat.
Staff recommends that the collector street (Vanguard Way) be constructed prior to development commencing on the
property. Additionally, the first phase of development should encompass the construction of both the 10’ detached
sidewalks along S. Black Cat Road and Vanguard Way including the entire street buffers. The second phase of development
should encompass the completion of the remaining 10-foot pathway along the I-84 Interstate.
According to GIS imagery, there is an existing home and other historic outbuildings adjacent to Black Cat Road that will be removed
upon development of the Farmstone Crossing Subdivision. Staff recommends that the Applicant preserve some elements of the
historic buildings
the Applicant presented their proposed plan for the existing silos to the Historic Preservation Commission on January 25, 2024 with the
following: Option (1): involves careful disassembling and storage of the structure, with the intention to find an interested agency that
may preserve the silo on another site. An agency would need to be identified before disassembly and prior to the commencement of
the road. Alternatively, if no interested agency is identified prior to the commencement of the road construction, option (2): entails
utilizing some materials from the silo in the construction of the monument.
The meeting concluded with the Historic Preservation Commission expressing a preference for recommending to the Planning and
Zoning Commission that both existing silos be disassembled and reassembled at a yet-to-be-determined future location. It was
emphasized that the specifics of the relocation be clarified prior to disassembly, and the new site would need to be determined within a
reasonable period of time. As an alternative proposal, the Commission advocates for the creation of a scale replica of the facilities on
the current site. The Historic Preservation Commission wishes to review the details of the proposed monument with the initial
Certificate of Zoning Compliance submittal for the site. Additionally, the Historic Preservation Commission wishes to retain the ability to
provide comments on the final proposed monument presented by the Applicant.
As part of the proposed first phase of development, all existing structures that do not conform to the district’s setbacks must be
removed, except for those agreed upon for historic preservation.
Dimensional Standards: The proposed preliminary plat appears to comply with the dimensional standards of the district.
Access: Access is proposed to be provided from the northern boundary of the site from the extension of Vanguard Way to Black Cat
Road to the west. Vanguard Way is designed as a collector street in accordance with the Master Street Map and the Transportation
System Map in the TMISAP. A driveway is proposed to the adjacent property to the east for future extension.
Streets: Vanguard Way should be constructed in accordance with Street Section C (major collector street) in the TMISAP, which
requires (2) 11-foot travel lanes, 6-foot bike lanes, 8-foot parkways with streetlights at a pedestrian scale, and minimum 6-foot wide
detached sidewalks (see pg. 3-20, 3-22, 3-23). The Applicant proposes a modification of the street section to include 10-foot wide
detached sidewalks/pathways in lieu of on-street bike lanes, which is required by ACHD and as set forth in the Meridian Master
Pathways Plan.
Prior to submitting the final plat, the Applicant shall coordinate with the property owner to the north and east to construct Vanguard Way
and deed the right-of-way to ACHD. The Applicant should ensure that the intersection of Vanguard Way and S. Black Road aligns with
the entrance of the Black Cat Industrial projects on the west side of S. Black Cat Road.
The Applicant is proposing two curb cuts off of Vanguard Way, a planned collector street in the TMISAP. In accordance with UDC 11-
3A-3 (Access to streets), multiple accesses off an arterial and/or collector roadway shall be restricted The Applicant has chosen to
eliminate the curb cut aligned with the proposed subdivision to the north and has instead opted for the one closest to the intersection of
Black Cat Road. Typically, Staff recommends that curb cuts align directly across roadways; however, Staff supports the offset change,
given that the entrance effectively highlights the features of the proposed plaza, provided it adheres to ACHD’s requirements.
Additionally, the Applicant has proposed establishing a shared access on the east side of this site in collaboration with the property
owner to the east, intended for future shared access.
Pathways: Ten (10) foot-wide multi-use pathways are proposed on the site in accordance with the Pathways Master Plan. One
segment follows Vanguard Way across the northern portion of this site; one segment runs along the southern boundary within the
street buffer along I-84; and another segment runs along the west side of the site adjacent to S. Black Cat Road to the plaza on the
north. The proposed pathway is intended to cross the drive aisle between Buildings 1 & 2. Staff recommends removing the loading
docks from the rear of Buildings 1 & 2 to mitigate potential conflicts between pedestrians using the pathway and delivery trucks
accessing that area.
Sidewalks & Pedestrian Walkways:
All proposed sidewalks and pedestrian walkways look to meet the UDC code requirements.
Landscaping: A minimum 25-foot wide street buffer is required along all arterial streets (i.e. S. Black Cat Road) in commercial
districts. A 20-foot wide street buffer is required along all collector streets (i.e. Vanguard Way) – the buffer may be placed in an
easement rather than a common lot in accord with UDC 11-3B-7C.2a. A minimum 50-foot wide street buffer is required along I-84,
landscaped per the standards listed in UDC 11-3B-7C.3, which requires a variety of trees, shrubs, lawn or other vegetative
groundcover. The proposed buffer dimensions appear to meet the requirements of the UDC code; however, there is a lack of a
combination of planters (shrubs and rock mulch) within the buffer along Vanguard Way. The Applicant has provided fifty-two (52) trees
and only thirty-four (34) are required along Vanguard Way. Staff recommends that the Applicant enhance the street buffer by reducing
the number of trees and incorporating additional planters. The landscape buffer along Black Cat Road adjacent to the open drainage
swale, lacks vegetation in front of the 10-foot pathway, not meeting the requirements of the UDC.
The Applicant proposes a plaza area between Building #1 and Building #2, featuring benches, a pergola, landscaping, and a potential
historical monument of the existing silo on the site.
The Applicant should revise the landscape plan to reflect landscaping within the required buffers along Vanguard Way and Black Cat
Road adjacent to the drainage swale in front of the 10-foot pathway in accordance with the standards listed in UDC 11-3B-7; which
requires a variety of trees, shrubs, lawn or other vegetative groundcover.
Parking lot: To improve the integration of this property with the neighboring M-E zoned property to the east, Staff encourages the
Applicant to consider removing the entire landscape buffer along the eastern side and coordinate the alignment of parking with the
adjacent property owner. This would facilitate shared access to the east and improve integration with the eastern property.
Fencing: The proposed fencing complies with the UDC code.
Parking: Off-street vehicle parking is required for the proposed commercial subdivision as set forth in UDC Table 11-3C-6.B. Based on
approximately 378,360 square feet of proposed floor space, a minimum of 757 off-street spaces are required; a total of 764 off-street
parking spaces are proposed (7 additional parking spaces). Based on 764 parking spaces proposed, a minimum of 31 bicycle spaces
are required to be provided; none are proposed. Bicycle parking facilities should comply with the standards in UDC 11-3C-5C. Bike
racks should be provided as close as possible to each building entrance totaling 31 spaces or in a designated area within the plaza.
Staff is recommending the removal of the loading docks at the rear of Building #1 and Building #2, which will create additional parking.
Staff recommends that Applicant submit revised plans incorporating the aforementioned changes with the CZC Application.
Building Elevations: Conceptual building elevations were submitted for the proposed flex buildings and light industrial. Building
materials consist of horizontal metal or Hardie plank siding in white, wood colors; stucco in dark and light gray colors; metal awnings;
and gray-wrapped cornice moulding.
The proposed conceptual elevations are not approved. Final design must comply with the design standards in the Architectural
Standards Manual (ASM) and the design guidelines in the TMISAP for the Commercial designation (see the matrix for Application of
the Design Elements on pg. 3-49). A Certificate of Zoning Compliance and Design Review application is required to be submitted for
approval of the site and building design prior to submittal of building permit applications.
Written Testimony: None
Staff Recommendation: Approval of the requested Annexation and Preliminary Plat per the Conditions and the Findings in their Staff
Report.
Notes:
Possible Motions:
Approval
After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to recommend approval to the City Council of File Number H-
2023-0045, as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of February 15, 2024, with the following modifications: (Add any
proposed modifications to conditions)
Denial
After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to recommend denial to the City Council of File Number H-2023-
0045, as presented during the hearing on February 15, 2024, for the following reasons: (You should state specific reasons for
denial)
Continuance I move to continue File Number H-2023-0045 to the hearing date of (insert continued hearing date here) for the following
reason(s): (You should state specific reason(s) for continuance)
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Item #7: Reveille Ridge Subdivision (H-2023-0050)
Application(s):
Annexation
Preliminary Plat
Size of property, existing zoning, and location: This site consists of 59.97 acres of land, zoned RUT in Ada County, located at 7355
S. Eagle Rd.
History: None
Comprehensive Plan FLUM Designation: LDR (31+/- acres) & MDR (28+/- acres) – The LDR designation allows 3 or fewer
units/acre & the MDR designation allows between 3 and 8 units/acre.
Summary of Request: The Applicant proposes to annex 59.97-acres of land with R-8 (34.69 acres) & R-15 (25.28 acres) zoning
districts for the development of a residential subdivision. A mix of dwelling types are proposed consisting of 170 SFR detached, 14 SFR
attached & 62 townhome units. The gross density is 4.13 units/acre overall (2.96 units/acre in LDR & 5.3 units/acre in MDR) consistent
with the underlying FLUM designations. Note: Just a reminder that density is no longer associated with zoning districts in the UDC (that
changed in 2017); the FLUM designations in the Comp Plan dictate the density of each residential land use designation and no
changes are proposed to the FLUM with this application.
There is an existing home & accessory structures on this site that will be removed with development. A driveway exists via Eagle Rd.
that will be replaced with a public collector street. Discovery Park, a 75-acre City park exists to the west of this site.
ACHD’s Master Street Map depicts (2) collector streets across this property – one along the southern boundary & one along the
western boundary of the site.
Planned transportation improvements: Lake Hazel Rd. is scheduled to be widened to 5-lanes from Locust Grove to Eagle Rd. in 2024
and to 5-lanes from Eagle to Cloverdale Rd. in 2025. The intersection of Lake Hazel & Eagle Rd. is scheduled to be widened to 5-lanes
on the north leg, 4-lanes on the south, 4-lanes on the east, and 3-lanes on the west leg to be reconstructed in 2024. No improvements
are planned to Eagle Rd. directly abutting the site.
A Preliminary Plat is proposed to subdivide the property consisting of 246 building lots & 38 common lots on 59.77 acres of land. The
plat is proposed to develop in (4) phases as shown on the phasing plan. The 1st phase is located along the southern boundary of the
site & includes construction of all collector streets within the site. The 2nd phase is the NE portion of the development. The 3rd phase is
centrally located & contains the pond and most of the common open space for the development, including the linear open space within
the Williams Pipeline easement. The 4th phase is the NW portion of the development. Staff recommends the phasing plan is revised to
switch Phases 2 & 3 so the open space is provided in an earlier phase for the enjoyment & use of residents.
Access is proposed via S. Eagle Rd. with stub streets to adjacent properties for future extension & interconnectivity. Collector streets
are proposed in accord with the MSM along with local streets, alleys & a common driveway for internal access.
A 25’ wide street buffer is required along Eagle Rd., an arterial street, & 20’ wide buffers are required along collector streets,
landscaped in accord with UDC standards.
There is a large existing pond on the western portion of this site that is proposed to remain as an amenity for the development. The
Farr Lateral runs along the northern boundary of the eastern portion of the site within a 55’ wide easement (30’ of which is on this site).
The Williams NW gas pipeline bisects this site within a 75’ wide easement. The Applicant is requesting a waiver from Council to
UDC 11-3A-6B.3a to allow the Farr Lateral to remain open as a linear open space & not be piped. A 6’ tall wrought iron fence is
proposed adjacent to the southern boundary of the easement to preserve public safety.
Common open space & amenities are proposed in accord with UDC standards. Based on the area of the site, a minimum of 8.97-acres
(or 15%) qualified open space is required; a total of 11.77-acres (or 19.69%) is proposed as shown on the common open space exhibit
consisting of open grassy areas of at least 5,000 s.f. in area, linear open space, a pond with picnic areas and active & passive open
space areas. A minimum of 12 site amenity points is required with at least one from each category. Twelve points are proposed
consisting of (3) picnic areas and a fitness course with (6) stations from the quality of life category; a ½ mile of multi-use pathways from
the pedestrian amenities category along the Farr Lateral & along within the Williams pipeline easement; a tot lot from the recreation
activity category; and a bike repair station from the multi-modal category. A 6’ wide pedestrian pathway is also proposed as an amenity
within the common area around the pond. Staff is recommending a 10’ wide pathway is provided along Taps for a connection between
the between the two multi-use pathway segments.
Several conceptual building elevations of 1- & 2-story SFR detached (front-loaded & alley-loaded), single-family attached, and
townhome dwellings (front-loaded & alley-loaded) were submitted as shown. Building materials consist of a variety of horizontal &
vertical siding and stucco with stone/brick veneer accents. Final design of the attached units and townhome units are required to
comply with the design standards in the ASM.
Written Testimony:
• Kelli Black, Bailey Engineering (Applicant’s Representative): In agreement w/the conditions in the report.
• (15) letters of public testimony in opposition to the development have been submitted and are included in the public record.
Some of the reasons for opposition include the following: opinion that the proposed density is too high; the proposed
development will greatly overburden already overcrowded schools and area roadways and will negative impact on property
values of existing homes.
Staff Recommendation: Approval w/the requirement of a DA per the provisions in the staff report.
Possible Motions:
Approval
After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to recommend approval to the City Council of File Number H-
2023-0050, as presented in the staff report for the hearing date of February 15, 2024, with the following modifications: (Add any
proposed modifications to conditions)
Denial
After considering all staff, applicant and public testimony, I move to recommend denial to the City Council of File Number H-2023-
0050, as presented during the hearing on February 15, 2024, for the following reasons: (You should state specific reasons for
denial)
Continuance
I move to continue File Number H-2023-0050 to the hearing date of (insert continued hearing date here) for the following
reason(s): (You should state specific reason(s) for continuance)
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM TOPIC: Public Hearing for Kilgore (H-2023-0063) by Alexi Kilgore, Located at 1105 N.
Meridian Rd.
Application Materials: https://bit.ly/H-2023-0063
A. Request: Rezone 0.16 acres of land from the R-4 zoning district to the O-T zoning district for
the purpose of coverting the existing home into a hair salon.
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PUBLIC HEARING SIGN IN SHEET
DATE: February 15, 2024 ITEM # ON AGENDA: 5
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I. PROJECT DESCRIPTION
Request to rezone 0.34 acres of land from the R-4 zoning district to the O-T zoning district for the
purpose of converting the existing home into a hair salon.
A. Project Summary
Description Details Page
Acreage Rezone - 0.34 of an acare
Future Land Use Designation Old Town
Existing Land Use(s) Single-family residential
Proposed Land Use(s) Professional Service – Hair Salon
Lots (# and type; bldg./common) 1 lot
Phasing Plan (# of phases) NA
Physical Features (waterways,
hazards, flood plain, hillside)
No unique physical features
Neighborhood meeting date; # of
attendees:
11/09/2023
History (previous approvals) None
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STAFF REPORT
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT
HEARING
DATE:
2/15/2023
TO: Planning & Zoning Commission
FROM: Stacy Hersh, Associate Planner
208-884-5533
SUBJECT: Kilgore RZ
H-2023-0063
LOCATION: 1105 N Meridian Road
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B. Community Metrics
Description Details Page
Ada County Highway District
• Staff report (yes/no) Yes
• Requires ACHD Commission
Action (yes/no)
No
Access (Arterial/Collectors/State
Hwy/Local)(Existing and Proposed)
Access occurs from N. Meridian Road via an alleyway off of
W. Washington Street. Carlton Avenue (located to the south
of this site), is an eastbound one-way street that exits to
Meridian Road.
Stub Street/Interconnectivity/Cross
Access
Existing Road Network Meridian Road is improved with 5-travel lanes, vertical curb,
gutter, and 7-foot wide sidewalk abutting the site. Carlton
Avenue, an eastbound one-way street, is improved with 33-
feet of pavement, vertical curb, and no sidewalk abutting the
site. The existing 16-foot wide one-way alley running
north/south in between Carlton Avenue and Washington
Street is unimproved.
Existing Arterial Sidewalks /
Buffers
There is an existing 7-foot wide sidewalk along Meridian
Road and existing landscape buffer to remain. Proposed Road Improvements No road improvements are required.
Fire Service No comments
Police Service No comments
Wastewater
• Comments • No changes to public sewer infrastructure shown in
records. Any changes need to be approved by public
works.
Water
Distance to Water Services • No changes to public water infrastructure shown in
records. Any changes need to be approved by public
works.
• Distance to Service – Water available at site
• Pressure Zone – 2
• Estimated ERU – See Application
• Water Quality Concerns – None
• Project Consistent with Master Plan – Yes
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C. Project Area Maps
Future Land Use Map Aerial Map
Zoning Map Planned Development Map
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II. APPLICANT INFORMATION
A. Applicant:
Alexis Kilgore, Hair by Lexie Kilgore – 1105 N. Meridian Road, Meridian, ID 83634
B. Owner:
Same as above
III. NOTICING
Planning & Zoning
Posting Date
City Council
Posting Date
Newspaper Notification 1/30/2024
Radius notification mailed to
properties within 500 feet 1/26/2024
Sign Posting 2/2/2024
Nextdoor posting 1/29/2024
IV. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN (HTTPS://WWW.MERIDIANCITY.ORG/COMPPLAN):
Land Use:
This property is designated Old Town (O-T) on the Future Land Use Map (FLUM).
This designation includes the historic downtown and the true community center. The boundary of
the Old Town district predominantly follows Meridian’s historic plat boundaries. In several areas,
both sides of a street were incorporated into the boundary to encourage similar uses and
complimentary design of the facing houses and buildings. Sample uses include offices, retail and
lodging, theatres, restaurants, and service retail for surrounding residents and visitors. A variety of
residential uses are also envisioned and could include reuse of existing buildings, new construction
of multi-family residential over ground floor retail or office uses.
Proposed Use: The Applicant proposes to develop the site with a personal service, Hair by Lexie
Kilgore, which will feature four (4) stations. The proposed changes to the interior of the building
will include updates to the bathroom, floors, and the addition of sinks.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES (https://www.meridiancity.org/compplan):
Goals, Objectives, & Action Items: Staff finds the following Comprehensive Plan policies to be
applicable to this application and apply to the proposed use of this property (staff analysis in italics):
• “Support a compatible mix of land uses Downtown that activate the area during day and night.”
(2.09.02G). Introducing a personal service, such as a hair salon, into the Downtown area
presents an opportunity for increased foot traffic and commerce to occur within a desired
location during the day and early evening. This addition contributes to the overall appeal and
character of Downtown Meridian. The proposed operational hours are from Tuesday to
Saturday, 10:00 am to 6:00 pm. This new commercial use should be a welcome addition to the
other uses in the surrounding area.
• “Support owners of historic buildings in their efforts to restore and/or preserve their properties.
(5.02.01B). Permitting the establishment of personal services in a historical downtown home
has the potential to share knowledge and history regarding both Meridian and the specific
house. This, in turn, is likely to boost the economic impact of more foot traffic, leading to the
growth of other historical sites in the downtown area.
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• Work with Ada County Highway District (ACHD) to identify gaps in the sidewalk system and
pursue sidewalk construction for existing substandard streets.(6.01.01I) The intention is to
initiate and pursue sidewalk construction with development projects on streets that currently fall
below the established standards. The construction of a 5-foot wide sidewalk connection along
W. Carlton Avenue by the Applicant is intended to enhance pedestrian infrastructure, ensuring
safer and more accessible walkways in the community, especially for the children walking to the
adjacent elementary school. Additionally, provides convenient pedestrian access from the
nearby residential areas to the proposed business.
V. UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE (UDC)
The proposed use, personal service for a hair salon is listed as a principally permitted use in the O-T
(Old Town) zoning district per UDC Table 11-2C-2. Compliance with the standards listed in UDC 11-
2D-3 and 11-2D-4 is required.
VI. STAFF ANALYSIS
A. Rezone (RZ):
The Applicant is requesting to rezone 0.34 acres of land from R-4 to O-T to operate a personal
service for a hair salon on the subject property. A legal description and exhibit map for the
rezone area is included in Section VIII.A. This property is within the City’s Area of City Impact
boundary.
Personal services - The use of a site for the provision of individualized services generally
related to personal needs. Personal service uses include, but are not limited to, beauty services
such as salons, hair, nail and skin care, spa, and barbers; fitness training and instruction;
locksmiths; and repairs such as footwear and leather goods, and watches, are listed as a
principal permitted use in the O-T (Old Town) zoning district per UDC Table 11-2C-2.
The proposed 1,193-square-foot hair salon will be located in the downtown area within the
Meridian Urban Renewal District. The building was built in 1948 and is slated for further
improvements to meet city code requirements and enhance the customer experience. The rear
porch will be expanded to include an ADA ramp, and the Applicant will be required to pave the
alley adjacent to the property. Additionally, 5 parking stalls are proposed to be paved adjacent to
the alley.
The proposed hours of operation would be from Tuesday to Saturday, 10:00 am to 6:00 pm.
The City may require a development agreement (DA) in conjunction with a rezone
pursuant to Idaho Code section 67-6511A. Due to the size of the development, Staff believes
a DA should not be required.
Dimensional Standards (UDC 11-2):
The existing home meets all dimensional standards.
Access (UDC 11-3A-3):
Access is provided via an alleyway to the north from W. Washington Street. The public street to the
south of this property, W. Carlton Avenue, operates as a one-way only leading eastward towards N.
Meridian Road.
Parking (UDC 11-3C):
The existing home has unpaved parking off of the alleyway, with space for up to 5 parking stalls.
There is currently no off-street parking on this site. The Applicant is required to pave both the alley
and the 5 proposed parking stalls with the development of the site upon submittal of a future
Certificate of Zoning Compliance Application. Wheel restraints should be added to prevent
overhanging beyond the designated parking stall dimension in accordance with UDC 11-3C-
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5.B(3). Additionally, ACHD recommends paving the entire width of the alley from the edge of
pavement from Carlton Avenue to the site’s northern property line and providing 20-feet of back-
up area from any parking The alley should be signed with “No Parking” signs.
Old-Town is classified as a Traditional Neighborhood zoning district and no off-street parking is
required for a lawfully existing structure unless an addition occurs (UDC 11-3C-6B). No additions
are proposed with this project except for expanding the rear entry area. The Applicant is providing
5 parking stalls off the alley which meets the required number of off-street parking spaces (2 spaces
required) per UDC 11-3C-6B.3 for the Traditional Neighborhood district.
A minimum of one (1) bicycle parking space is required to be provided based on one (1) space for
every 25 vehicle spaces or portion thereof per UDC 11-3C-6G; bicycle parking facilities are required
to comply with the location and design standards listed in UDC 11-3C-5C. The site plan does not
include bicycle racks. The Applicant should revise the plans and include one (1) bicycle rack and
submit a detail of the bicycle rack with the CZC submittal.
Sidewalks (UDC 11-3A-17):
There is an existing 7-foot wide attached sidewalk on N. Meridian Road along the existing property
frontage. Staff does not recommend any additional changes to the frontage improvements. The
Applicant is proposing installation of a 4-foot wide sidewalk along the southern boundary of the
site, extending from the parking stalls to the main entrance. All sidewalks around buildings and
serving public street shall be a minimum of five (5) feet in width in accordance with UDC 11-3A-
17. Both ACHD and Staff recommend that the Applicant construct a 5-foot wide detached
concrete sidewalk abutting the site along W. Carlton Avenue connecting to the sidewalk along N.
Meridian Road. Additionally, Staff recommends that the Applicant remove the 4-foot sidewalk
proposed on the south side of the property boundary and add a 5-foot sidewalk in front of the
entire parking area. Staff strongly encourages the Applicant to include a parkway along W.
Carlton Avenue with trees, bushes, lawn, or other vegetative cover in accordance with UDC 11-
3B-7.C.
A continuous internal pedestrian walkway that is a minimum of five (5) feet in width shall be
provided from the perimeter sidewalk to the main building entrance(s) for nonresidential uses.
The walkway width shall be maintained clear of any obstructions, such as vehicles, outdoor sale
displays, vending machines, or temporary structures. Staff recommends that the Applicant
connect the proposed sidewalk at the main entrance of the building to the required sidewalk to
be installed along W. Carlton Avenue. This may require the removal of a section of the fencing
on the south side of the property (refer to redline on site plan below).
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Landscaping (UDC 11-3B):
The Applicant is not proposing any additional landscaping to be added to the site with this project.
For additions less than twenty-five (25) percent of the existing structure or developed area, no
additional landscaping shall be required except for buffers to adjacent residential uses in
accordance with UDC 11-3B-2D(1). As mention above, Staff strongly encourages the Applicant
to include a parkway along W. Carlton Avenue with trees, bushes, lawn, or other vegetative cover
in accordance with UDC 11-3B-7.C.
Fencing (UDC 11-3A-6, 11-3A-7):
The Applicant intends to remove the existing fencing on the west side of the property adjacent to the
stalls. As mentioned above, a portion of the fencing on the south side of the property should be
removed to accommodate for the pedestrian walkway to the main entrance of the building. The
existing fencing surrounding a small patio in the front yard does comply with UDC code
requirements for fencing, as the maximum height for a front yard fence is 3-feet for closed vision
fences or 4-feet for open vision fences. No additional fencing is proposed. Staff recommends
that the Applicant remove the existing fencing surrounding the front yard patio with fencing
that complies with the UDC Code (refer to picture below).
Outdoor Lighting (UDC 11-3A-11):
All outdoor lighting is required to comply with the standards listed in UDC 11-3A-11C.
Building Elevations:
Conceptual building elevations and perspectives were submitted for the existing structure as shown
in Section IX.D. The building consists of existing siding, facia trim, asphalt roof shingles and new
wood deck with railing and ADA ramp. As stated above in this report, the only new additions to the
structure is the rear entry.
The proposed elevations are not approved with this application and will be reviewed with the
Design Review application for consistency with the design standards listed in the Architectural
Standards Manual. Full compliance with the ASM is not required based on the limited scope of
work associated with this project.
Certificate of Zoning Compliance (UDC 11-5B-1):
A Certificate of Zoning Compliance (CZC) is required to be submitted for the proposed use
and site changes prior to submittal of a building permit application to ensure compliance with
UDC standards and staff comments listed in Section IX.
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VII. DECISION
A. Staff:
Staff recommends approval of the proposed rezone from R-4 to O-T per the Comments in
Section IX and the Findings in Section X of this report.
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VIII. EXHIBITS
A. Rezoning Legal Description and Exhibit Map
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B. Site Plan
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C. Elevations
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D. Pictures of Existing Home
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IX. CITY/AGENCY COMMENTS
A. PLANNING
Staff Comments:
1. The maximum number of allowable customers at the facility at one time at any given time must
not exceed the maximum occupant load specified in the Fire Code.
2. Prior to building permit submittal, the Applicant shall obtain Certificate of Zoning Compliance
and Design Review approval to establish the use and approval for the exterior modifications to
the building.
3. The site and landscape plans submitted with the Certificate of Zoning Compliance application
shall depict the following:
a. Construct a 5-foot wide concrete sidewalk abutting the site along W. Carlton Avenue
connecting to the existing sidewalk along N. Meridian Road and construct a 5-foot wide
sidewalk in front of the parking stalls.
b. Connect the proposed sidewalk to the main entrance of the building (rear) to the required
sidewalk to be installed along W. Carlton Avenue. Additionally, remove a section of the
fencing on the south side of the property to provide access to the main entrance.
c. Pave the entire width of the alley from the edge of pavement from Carlton Avenue to the site’s
northern property line; provide 20-feet of back-up space from any parking stall.
d. Install wheel restraints in front of the 5 parking stalls in accordance with UDC 11-3C-5.B(3).
e. Install “No Parking” signs along the alley.
f. Remove the existing fencing surrounding the front yard patio with fencing that complies with
UDC Code 11-3A-7.
g. Remove the existing fencing situated on the west side of the property in front of the proposed
parking stalls.
h. Include a bicycle rack and a detail of the bicycle rack with the CZC submittal.
i. Install “No Parking” signs along the alley.
4. Direct lot access from N. Meridian Road is prohibited.
B. NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION DISTRICT
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=331488&dbid=0&repo=MeridianCity&c
r=1
C. IDAHO TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=330209&dbid=0&repo=MeridianCity
D. IDAHO DEPARTMENT OF ENVRONTMENTAL QUALITY (DEQ)
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=330210&dbid=0&repo=MeridianCity
E. ACHD
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=331687&dbid=0&repo=MeridianCity
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X. FINDINGS
A. Annexation and/or Rezone (UDC 11-5B-3E)
Required Findings: Upon recommendation from the commission, the council shall make a full
investigation and shall, at the public hearing, review the application. In order to grant an
annexation and/or rezone, the council shall make the following findings:
1. The map amendment complies with the applicable provisions of the comprehensive plan;
Staff finds the proposed zoning map amendment to rezone the property from the R-4 zoning
district to the O-T zoning district is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan.
2. The map amendment complies with the regulations outlined for the proposed districts,
specifically the purpose statement;
Staff finds the proposed zoning map amendment complies with the regulations outlined in the
requested Old Town designation.
3. The map amendment shall not be materially detrimental to the public health, safety, and
welfare;
Staff finds the proposed zoning map amendment should not be detrimental to the public
health, safety and welfare.
4. The map amendment shall not result in an adverse impact upon the delivery of services by
any political subdivision providing public services within the city including, but not limited
to, school districts; and
Staff finds the proposed zoning map amendment will not result in an adverse impact on the
delivery of services by any political subdivision providing public services within the City.
5. The annexation (as applicable) is in the best interest of city.
Subject site is already annexed so staff finds this finding nonapplicable.
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AGENDA ITEM
ITEM TOPIC: Public Hearing continued from February 01, 2024 for Farmstone Crossing
Subdivision (H-2023-0045) by Bailey Engineering, located at 820 S. Black Cat Rd.
Application Materials: https://bit.ly/H-2023-0045
A. Request: Annexation of 33.893 acres of land from RUT to the M-E (Mixed Employment) zoning
district. B. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 6 buildable lots on 27.59 acres of land in
the proposed M-E (Mixed Employment) zoning district.
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DATE: February 15, 2024 ITEM # ON AGENDA: 6
PROJECT NAME: Farmstone Crossing Subdivision (H-2023-0045)
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HEARING
DATE:
February 15, 2023
TO: Planning & Zoning Commission
FROM: Stacy Hersh, Associate Planner
208-884-5533
SUBJECT: Farmstone Crossing Subdivision AZ,
PP
H-2023-0045
LOCATION: 820 S. Black Cat Road in the Northwest
¼ of the Southwest ¼ of Section 15,
T.3N. R.1W.
I. PROJECT DESCRIPTION
The Applicant has submitted an application for the following:
• Annexation of 33.89 acres of land from RUT to the M-E (Mixed Employment) zoning
district.
• Preliminary Plat consisting of 6 building lots and 1 common lot on 27.47-acres of land in the
M-E zoning district for Farmstone Crossing Subdivision.
NOTE: This project has undergone multiple continuances to allow more time for the plans to
be modified. The staff report and conditions of approval have been updated accordingly to
reflect the most recent changes.
II. SUMMARY OF REPORT
a. Project Summary
Description Details Page
Acreage 33.89 acres overall
Existing/Proposed Zoning RUT in Ada County; M-E (Mixed Employment)
Future Land Use Designation Mixed Employment (ME)
Existing Land Use(s) Vacant/agricultural land
Proposed Land Use(s) light industrial, commercial/office, research and
development, and other uses.
Lots (# and type; bldg./common) 5 buildable lots and 1 common lot
Phasing Plan (# of phases) 2 phases (plat)
Number of Residential Units (type
of units)
NA
STAFF REPORT
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT
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Description Details Page
Physical Features (waterways,
hazards, flood plain, hillside)
None
Neighborhood meeting date; # of
attendees:
7/06/2023
History (previous approvals) None
b. Community Metrics
Description Details Pg.
Ada County Highway District
• Staff report (yes/no) Yes
• Requires ACHD
Commission Action
(yes/no)
No
No. A Traffic Impact Study (TIS) was submitted.
Access
(Arterial/Collectors/State
Hwy/Local)(Existing and
Proposed)
Access is proposed from the new collector road (Vanguard Way)
that connects to Black Cat Road (arterial road). Vanguard Way
will be constructed prior to development commencing on the
property.
Traffic Level of Service
Stub
Street/Interconnectivity/Cross
Access
Cross access with BVA’s development to the east
Existing Road Network Black Cat Road & Franklin Road
Existing Arterial Sidewalks /
Buffers
None
Proposed Road Improvements
Fire Service
• Distance to Fire
Station
2 miles
• Fire Response Time This project currently falls on an area where we don’t have a total
response times that meet NFPA 1710 standards or current City of
Meridian adopted standards. The first due station is Fire Station
2. This fire station is approximately 3.5 miles from the project.
• Resource Reliability 82% - does meet the target goal of 80% or greater
• Risk Identification 3 – current resources would not be adequate to supply service to
this project. Risk factors include fire fighting in large
commercial warehouses. This entails a great risk for the
occupants as well ad firs responders.
• Accessibility Project meets all required access, road widths and turnaround.
• Special/resource
needs
In the event of a hazmat event, there will need to be mutual aid
required for the development. In the event of a structure fire an
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Description Details Pg.
additional truck company will be required, This will require
additional time delays as a second truck company may not be
available in the City.
• Water Supply Water supply for this proposed development required 4750
gallons per minute for two hours.
• Other Resources
Wastewater
• Distance to Sewer
Services
• Sewer Shed
• Estimated Project
Sewer ERU’s
• WRRF Declining
Balance
• Project Consistent
with WW Master
Plan/Facility Plan
• Impacts/concerns • Flow is committed
• See Public Works Site Specific Conditions in Section VII.B
Water
• Distance to Water
Services
Water available on-site
• Pressure Zone 2
• Estimated Project
Water ERU’s
See application
• Water Quality
Concerns
None
• Project Consistent
with Water Master
Plan
Yes
• Impacts/Concerns • If a well is located on the site it must be abandoned per
regulatory requirements and proof of abandonment must be
provided to the City.
• Each phase of the development will need to be modeled to
verify minimum fire flow pressure is maintained.
• 12” water main in Vanguard needs to be on the north side of
the road, currently shown in the center of the road.
• See Public Works Site Specific Conditions in Section VIII.B
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c. Project Area Maps
A. Applicant:
Judy Schmidt, Bailey Engineering – 1119 E. State Street, Suite 210, Eagle, ID 83616
B. Owners:
Corey Barton, Endurance Holdings, LLC – 1977 E. Overland Road, Meridian, ID 83642
Future Land Use Map
Aerial Map
Zoning Map
Planned Development Map
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C. Representative: Shawn Brownlee, Trilogy Development – 9839 W. Cable Car Street, Suite 101,
Boise, ID 83709
III. NOTICING
Planning & Zoning
Posting Date
City Council
Posting Date
Notification published in
newspaper 10/17/2023
Notification mailed to property
owners within 500 feet 10/14/2023
Applicant posted public hearing
notice on site 10/20/2023
Nextdoor posting 10/16/2023
IV. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ANALYSIS (Comprehensive Plan and Ten Mile Interchange Specific
Area Plan)
Land Use: The Future Land Use Map (FLUM) contained in the Comprehensive Plan designates the
20.5+/- acres as Mixed Employment (ME).
ME: The purpose of ME designated areas is to encourage a diversity of compatible land uses that
may include a mixture of office, research and specialized employment areas, light industrial including
manufacturing and assembly, and other miscellaneous uses. These areas generally do not include
retail and consumer service uses serving the wider community. However, a small amount of retail and
service establishments, primarily serving employees and users of the ME areas or nearby industrial
areas, are allowed. ME areas should provide a variety of flexible sites for small, local or start-up
businesses, as well as sites for large national or regional enterprises. ME areas should be designed to
encourage multimodal travel and convenient circulation to supporting uses located within the area.
This ME-designated area is intended to develop with a mix of uses, across six (6) structures totaling
378,360 s.f., which may include office, light industrial, along with research and development and/or
distribution and light manufacturing. Buildings will range in size from 21,280 up to 185,760 square
feet. The project is adjacent to Mixed Employment designated land on the east, light industrial to the
west, I-84 to the south, and RUT to the north proposed to be annexed as medium-high density
residential. This site will have access to a collector street as desired. The proposed M-E zoning
encompasses the entire 27.466 acres that is currently designated ME on the FLUM - See Pg. 3-11 in
the TMISAP for more information on the ME designation (see cut sheet below).
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Transportation: The Transportation System Map in the TMISAP depicts a collector street through
this site that connects to S. Black Cat Rd. an adjacent arterial street. The collector street network
depicted on the proposed development plan is generally consistent with the Transportation System
Map (see pg. 3-18 in the TMISAP).
The Street Section Map depicts Vanguard (major collector) as being appropriate to provide access
from adjacent arterial streets (i.e. Black Cat, Franklin & Ten Mile Roads) into the employment area.
Streetlights should be located in the tree lawn area and should be of a pedestrian scale.
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The collector street (i.e. Vanguard Way) in the commercial mixed-use area of the development should
be constructed in accord with this street section with the following exceptions as required by ACHD:
(3) travel lanes instead of (2); and 10-foot wide detached sidewalks/pathways instead of 6-foot wide
detached sidewalks in lieu of on-street bike lanes.
Design: The TMISAP emphasizes the quality of the built environment and includes recommendations
on the location, scale, form, height and design quality of public and private buildings in the form of
building placement, orientation, and massing; types and design treatments for building frontages; as
well as recommendations for the incorporation of art in public and private projects.
The design elements in the Plan are intended to serve as the basic framework for any given project
within the Ten Mile Area. The primary components that the design elements address include:
architecture and cultural heritage; building placement whereby build-to lines are identified; heights
and step backs; the definition of a base, body and top; and frontage types.
The proposed development should be designed in the accord with the TMISAP (see pgs. 3-31
thru 3-51). See the Application of the Design Elements table on pg. 3-49 to determine specific
design element requirements according to the associated FLUM designation. Future
development applications should include the applicable design elements.
Comprehensive Plan Policies: The following Comprehensive Plan Policies are applicable to this
development:
• “Permit new development only where it can be adequately served by critical public facilities
and urban services at the time of final approval, and in accord with any adopted levels of
service for public facilities and services.” (3.03.03F)
City water and sewer service is available and can be extended by the developer with
development in accord with UDC 11-3A-21.
• Focus on developing industries that exceed the living wage, such as technology, healthcare
and other similar industries. (2.06.01E)
The TMISAP designates the subject property for mixed employment. These areas are intended
to capture full economic advantage of the Ten Mile interchange to enhance the long-term
fiscal health of the City of Meridian and the Treasure Valley. The proposed annexation and
zoning of this area to M-E will result in the creation of primary jobs as anticipated by the
Plan.
• “With new subdivision plats, require the design and construction of pathways connections,
easy pedestrian and bicycle access to parks, safe routes to schools, and the incorporation of
usable open space with quality amenities.” (2.02.01A)
Multi-use pathway segments are proposed within this development for interconnectivity
between the commercial and employment portions of the development and neighboring
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developments within the area.
• “Encourage the development of supportive commercial near employment areas.” (3.06.02C)
The proposed commercial, flex space, light industrial with manufacturing, and office should
provide supportive uses for the proposed employment area.
• “Ensure development is connected to City of Meridian water and sanitary sewer systems and
the extension to and through said developments are constructed in conformance with the City
of Meridian Water and Sewer System Master Plans in effect at the time of development.”
(3.03.03A)
The proposed development will connect to City water and sewer systems; services are
required to be provided to and through this development in accord with current City plans.
• Evaluate development proposals based on consistency with the vision as well as physical,
social, economic, environmental, and aesthetic criteria. (3.01.01D)
The TMISAP vision for this area is an employment-generating center that buffers the
community from I-84 and the future extension of Highway 16, and serves the employment
areas with easy access to markets, high-speed transportation facilities, and employees across
the Treasure Valley. The TMISAP incorporates specific design standards for this area to
create a sense of place and a unique identity. In line with this vision, the proposed
annexation and zoning to M-E are intended to accommodate a mix of uses which is consistent
with the overall vision and the design principles for this area.
• “Permit new development only where it can be adequately served by critical public facilities
and urban services at the time of final approval, and in accord with any adopted levels of
service for public facilities and services.” (3.03.03F)
City water and sewer services are available to this site and can be extended by the developer
with development in accord with UDC 11-3A-21. The emergency response times for Police
Dept. and Fire Dept. meet the established goals.
• “Require appropriate landscaping, buffers, and noise mitigation with new development along
transportation corridors (setback, vegetation, low walls, berms, etc.).” (3.07.01C)
A 50-foot wide landscaped street buffer is required to be provided along the southern
boundary of the site adjacent to I-84.
• “Encourage the integration of public art as an integrated component with new development.”
(5.03.01B)
The Applicant is proposing the installation of a historical monument for the existing silos
located in the plaza near the site’s entrance. The proposal involves utilizing materials from
the Silo in the construction of the monument. Additionally, the Applicant plans to accompany
the monument with a plaque featuring pictures of the original silo along with historical
details for the public. This initiative aligns with the goals of preservation and seamlessly
integrates public art into the site.
• “Coordinate with the Meridian Historic Preservation Commission to recommend use,
restoration, and preservation of historical structures and sites throughout Meridian.”
(5.02.02A)
• “Stimulate private and public investment in the restoration and preservation of historic
buildings, outdoor spaces, and natural historical features.” (5.02.02D)
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• “Support the efforts of the Historic Preservation Commission to foster preservation and
conservation.” (5.02.02E)
• “Develop policies to preserve and protect or document and memorialize historic and
culturally significant structures and sites.” (5.02.02J)
Encompassing the aforementioned policies, there are currently multiple historic buildings
situated on this site. The Applicant intends to proceed with one of the following options,
aiming to install a historical monument for the existing silos located in the plaza area near
the site’s entrance. Option (1): involves careful disassembling and storage of the structure,
with the intention to find an interested agency that may preserve the silo on another site. An
agency would need to be identified before disassembly and prior to the commencement of the
road. Alternatively, if no interested agency is identified prior to the commencement of the
road construction, Option (2): entails utilizing some materials from the silo in the
construction of the monument in the plaza (Lot 3, Block 1).
• “Require urban infrastructure be provided for all new developments, including curb and
gutter, sidewalks, water and sewer utilities.” (3.03.03G)
Urban sewer and water infrastructure and curb, gutter and sidewalks are proposed as
required with this development.
In summary, Staff believes the proposed development plan is generally consistent with the vision
of the Comprehensive Plan for this area per the analysis above.
V. UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ANALYSIS (UDC)
A. Annexation and Zoning (AZ):
Annexation is requested of 33.89-acres from RUT to the M-E zoning district as shown on the
Annexation description and Exhibit in Section VII.B. A conceptual development plan and
elevations are included in Section VII.D that show how the site is anticipated to develop.
The development abuts Mixed Employment designated land to the east and borders I-84 to the
south. This development is proposed to have access to a collector street as desired. Medium-
high-density residential uses are proposed to the north and light industrial to the west. Allowed
uses in the M-E district consist of offices, medical centers, research and development facilities,
and light industrial uses with ancillary support services. This area is intended to develop with
approximately 378, 360 s.f., encompassing various potential uses like office, light industrial
operations, and research and development components such as distribution and light
manufacturing.
The City may require a development agreement (DA) in conjunction with an annexation pursuant
to Idaho Code section 67-6511A. If this property is annexed, Staff recommends a DA is
required with the provisions discussed herein and included in Section VIII.A.
Proposed Use Analysis:
A variety of uses are proposed including office, commercial, flex space, light industrial, research
and development, and other uses; see UDC Table 11-2B-2 for allowed uses in the applicable
zoning districts. Compliance with the dimensional standards listed in UDC Table 11-2B-3 is
required, as applicable. The inclusion of loading docks on the elevations for the proposed flex
buildings implies that all of the intended uses are primarily related to
distribution/warehousing, which requires a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) in the M-E
zoning district.
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The proposed zoning and uses are generally consistent with the associated FLUM designations as
discussed above in Section IV.
B. Preliminary Plat (PP):
The proposed preliminary plat consists of 6 building lots and 1 common lot on 27.59-acres of land
in the M-E zoning districts for Farmstone Crossing Subdivision. The subdivision is proposed to
develop in two (2) phases as shown on the phasing plan in Section VII.C. Staff recommends
that the collector street (Vanguard Way) be constructed prior to development commencing
on the property. Additionally, the first phase of development should encompass the
construction of both the 10’ detached sidewalks along S. Black Cat Road and Vanguard
Way including the entire street buffers. The second phase of development should encompass
the completion of the remaining 10-foot pathway along the I-84 Interstate.
Existing Structures/Site Improvements:
According to GIS imagery, there is an existing home and other historic outbuildings adjacent to
Black Cat Road that will be removed upon development of the Farmstone Crossing Subdivision.
Staff recommends that the Applicant preserve some elements of the historic buildings. As
mentioned above, the Applicant presented their proposed plan for the existing silos to the
Historic Preservation Commission on January 25, 2024 with the following: Option (1):
involves careful disassembling and storage of the structure, with the intention to find an
interested agency that may preserve the silo on another site. An agency would need to be
identified before disassembly and prior to the commencement of the road. Alternatively, if no
interested agency is identified prior to the commencement of the road construction, option (2):
entails utilizing some materials from the silo in the construction of the monument (refer to
Applicants narrative below).
The meeting concluded with the Historic Preservation Commission expressing a preference for
recommending to the Planning and Zoning Commission that both existing silos be
disassembled and reassembled at a yet-to-be-determined future location. It was emphasized
that the specifics of the relocation be clarified prior to disassembly, and the new site would
need to be determined within a reasonable period of time. As an alternative proposal, the
Commission advocates for the creation of a scale replica of the facilities on the current site.
The Historic Preservation Commission wishes to review the details of the proposed monument
with the initial Certificate of Zoning Compliance submittal for the site. Additionally, the
Historic Preservation Commission wishes to retain the ability to provide comments on the final
proposed monument presented by the Applicant.
As part of the proposed first phase of development, all existing structures that do not
conform to the district’s setbacks must be removed, except for those agreed upon for
historic preservation. No other site improvements are known.
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Dimensional Standards:
Development of the proposed lots is required to comply with the dimensional standards of the
M-E zoning district in UDC Table 11-2B-3, as applicable. The proposed preliminary plat
appears to comply with the dimensional standards of the district.
Subdivision Design and Improvement Standards (UDC 11-6C-3):
Development of the subdivision is required to comply with the subdivision design and
improvement standards listed in UDC 11-6C-3. The proposed subdivision appears to comply
with these standards.
Access (UDC 11-3A-3)
Access is proposed to be provided from the northern boundary of the site from the extension of
Vanguard Way to Black Cat Road to the west. Vanguard Way is designed as a collector street in
accordance with the Master Street Map and the Transportation System Map in the TMISAP. A
driveway is proposed to the adjacent property to the east for future extension.
Prior to Certificate of Occupancy, the applicant shall record a cross-access/ingress-egress
easement to adjoining property to the east [S1215427850] and submit copy of said easement
to the Planning Division in accordance with the provisions of UDC 11-3A-3A2. Direct
access via S. Black Cat Road is prohibited.
Streets:
Vanguard Way should be constructed in accordance with Street Section C (major collector street)
in the TMISAP, which requires (2) 11-foot travel lanes, 6-foot bike lanes, 8-foot parkways with
streetlights at a pedestrian scale, and minimum 6-foot wide detached sidewalks (see pg. 3-20, 3-
22, 3-23). The Applicant proposes a modification of the street section to include 10-foot wide
detached sidewalks/pathways in lieu of on-street bike lanes, which is required by ACHD and as
set forth in the Meridian Master Pathways Plan.
All streets should be constructed as complete streets as defined in the TMISAP (see pg. 3-19
& 3-20). Prior to submitting the final plat, the Applicant shall coordinate with the property
owner to the north and east to construct Vanguard Way and deed the right-of-way to
ACHD. The Applicant should ensure that the intersection of Vanguard Way and S. Black
Road aligns with the entrance of the Black Cat Industrial projects on the west side of S.
Black Cat Road.
The Applicant is proposing two curb cuts off of Vanguard Way, a planned collector street in the
TMISAP. In accordance with UDC 11-3A-3 (Access to streets), multiple accesses off an arterial
and/or collector roadway shall be restricted The Applicant has chosen to eliminate the curb
cut aligned with the proposed subdivision to the north and has instead opted for the one
closest to the intersection of Black Cat Road. Typically, Staff recommends that curb cuts
align directly across roadways; however, Staff supports the offset change, given that the
entrance effectively highlights the features of the proposed plaza, provided it adheres to
ACHD’s requirements. Additionally, the Applicant has proposed establishing a shared
access on the east side of this site in collaboration with the property owner to the east,
intended for future shared access.
Pathways (UDC 11-3A-8):
Ten (10) foot-wide multi-use pathways are proposed on the site in accordance with the Pathways
Master Plan. One segment follows Vanguard Way across the northern portion of this site; one
segment runs along the southern boundary within the street buffer along I-84; and another
segment runs along the west side of the site adjacent to S. Black Cat Road to the plaza on the
north. The proposed pathway is intended to cross the drive aisle between Buildings 1 & 2
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(refer to figure below). Staff recommends removing the loading docks from the rear of
Buildings 1 & 2 to mitigate potential conflicts between pedestrians using the pathway and
delivery trucks accessing that area. A 14-foot wide public use easement for all multi-use
pathways shall be submitted to the Planning Division prior to submittal for City Engineer’s
signature on the final plat(s).
Landscaping is required along all pathways per the standards in UDC 11-3B-12C. The landscape
plan appears to comply with this standard.
Sidewalks & Pedestrian Walkways (UDC 11-3A-17 & UDC 11-3A-19.B.4):
The UDC requires minimum 5-foot wide sidewalks to be provided adjacent to all streets with
detached sidewalks along collector streets and attached or detached sidewalks along local streets.
However, the guidelines in the TMISAP for the collector street sections (i.e. C) depict 6-foot
wide sidewalks, which should be provided within the development at a minimum. The
applicant is proposing to construct 10-foot wide sidewalks adjacent to the applicable
roadways based on the design approved with the Vanguard Village project to the east.
A continuous internal pedestrian walkway that is a minimum of five (5) feet in width shall be
provided from the perimeter sidewalk to the main building entrance(s) for nonresidential uses.
The walkway width shall be maintained clear of any obstructions, such as vehicles, outdoor
sale displays, vending machines, or temporary structures in accordance with UDC 11-3A-19.
The Applicant has provided a pedestrian circulation plan in Section VII.E. The internal
pedestrian walkways shall be distinguished from the vehicular driving surfaces through the
use of pavers, colored or scored concrete, or bricks; striping is not an approved material.
The plans appears to comply with this standard.
Sidewalks, walkways, and pathways should include a dedicated crosswalk at the
intersection of S. Black Cat Road with changes in color, markings, materials, texture and/or
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surface to distinguish them from the surrounding pavement as set forth in the TMISAP (see
pg. 3-28, Crosswalks).
Landscaping (UDC 11-3B):
Street buffers are required to be provided as set forth in UDC Table 11-2A-7. A minimum 25-foot
wide street buffer is required along all arterial streets (i.e. S. Black Cat Road) in commercial
districts. A 20-foot wide street buffer is required along all collector streets (i.e. Vanguard Way) –
the buffer may be placed in an easement rather than a common lot in accord with UDC 11-3B-
7C.2a. A minimum 50-foot wide street buffer is required along I-84, landscaped per the
standards listed in UDC 11-3B-7C.3, which requires a variety of trees, shrubs, lawn or other
vegetative groundcover (see updated code for specifics & figures below). The proposed
buffer dimensions appear to meet the requirements of the UDC code; however, there is a
lack of a combination of planters (shrubs and rock mulch) within the buffer along
Vanguard Way. The Applicant has provided fifty-two (52) trees and only thirty-four (34)
are required along Vanguard Way. Staff recommends that the Applicant enhance the
street buffer by reducing the number of trees and incorporating additional planters. The
landscape buffer along Black Cat Road adjacent to the open drainage swale, lacks
vegetation in front of the 10-foot pathway, not meeting the requirements of the UDC.
The Applicant proposes a plaza area between Building #1 and Building #2, featuring
benches, a pergola, landscaping, and a potential historical monument of the existing silo on
the site.
The Applicant should revise the landscape plan to reflect landscaping within the required
buffers along Vanguard Way and Black Cat Road adjacent to the drainage swale in front of
the 10-foot pathway in accordance with the standards listed in UDC 11-3B-7; which requires a
variety of trees, shrubs, lawn or other vegetative groundcover (see figures below).
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Landscaping is required within parkways per the standards listed in UDC 11-3A-17 and 11-3B-
7C. Class II trees shall be provided in parkways in accord with UDC 11-3A-17E.
Landscaping is required along all pathways per the standards in UDC 11-3B-12C. The landscape
plan appears to comply with this standard.
Mitigation is required for all existing trees 4” caliper or greater that are removed from the site in
accord with the standards in UDC 11-3B-10C.5. Mitigation calculations are depicted on the
landscape plan in accord with UDC standards (i.e. 149 trees at 2 caliper inches each for a total of
284 caliper inches). The location of mitigation trees shall be depicted on a revised landscape
plan submitted with the final plat application.
Parking lot: Provide a five-foot wide minimum landscape buffer adjacent to parking, loading,
or other paved vehicular use areas, including driveways, vehicle sales areas, truck parking
areas, bus parking areas, and vehicle storage areas, subject to the following exceptions: (1) This
requirement may be reduced or waived at the determination of the Director where there is a shared
driveway and/or recorded cross parking agreement and easement with an adjacent property. (2) S
his requirement may be reduced or waived at the determination of the Director for truck
maneuvering areas in industrial, mixed-employment and high-density employment districts
To improve the integration of this property with the neighboring M-E zoned property to the
east, Staff encourages the Applicant to consider removing the entire landscape buffer along
the eastern side and coordinate the alignment of parking with the adjacent property owner.
This would facilitate shared access to the east and improve integration with the eastern
property.
Storm Drainage:
An adequate storm drainage system is required in all developments in accord with the City’s
adopted standards, specifications and ordinances. Design and construction is required to follow
Best Management Practices as adopted by the City. The Applicant submitted a Geotechnical
Evaluation for the subdivision.
Pressure Irrigation (UDC 11-3A-15):
Underground pressurized irrigation water is required to be provided for each and every lot in the
subdivision as required in UDC 11-3A-15.
Utilities (UDC 11-3A-21):
Utilities are required to be provided to the subdivision as required in UDC 11-3A-21.
Waterways (UDC 11-3A-6):
There are no waterways on this site.
Fencing (UDC 11-3A-6 and 11-3A-7):
All fencing is required to comply with the standards listed in UDC 11-3A-7. The Applicant is
proposing a 5-foot wrought iron fence along the west property line adjacent to the pathway and
the ACHD drainage swale. The proposed fencing complies with the UDC code.
Parking: Off-street vehicle parking is required for the proposed commercial subdivision as set
forth in UDC Table 11-3C-6.B. Based on approximately 378,360 square feet of proposed floor
space, a minimum of 757 off-street spaces are required; a total of 764 off-street parking spaces
are proposed (7 additional parking spaces). Based on 764 parking spaces proposed, a minimum
of 31 bicycle spaces are required to be provided; none are proposed. Bicycle parking facilities
should comply with the standards in UDC 11-3C-5C. Bike racks should be provided as
close as possible to each building entrance totaling 31 spaces or in a designated area within
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the plaza. Staff is recommending the removal of the loading docks at the rear of Building
#1 and Building #2, which will create additional parking. Staff recommends that Applicant
submit revised plans incorporating the aforementioned changes with the CZC Application.
Building Elevations (UDC 11-3A-19 | Architectural Standards Manual (ASM) | TMISAP):
Conceptual building elevations were submitted for the proposed flex buildings and light industrial
building as shown in Section VII.F. Building materials consist of horizontal metal or Hardie
plank siding in white, wood colors; stucco in dark and light gray colors; metal awnings; and gray
wrapped cornice moulding.
The proposed conceptual elevations are not approved. Final design must comply with the
design standards in the Architectural Standards Manual (ASM) and the design guidelines
in the TMISAP for the Commercial designation (see the matrix for Application of the
Design Elements on pg. 3-49). A Certificate of Zoning Compliance and Design Review
application is required to be submitted for approval of the site and building design prior to
submittal of building permit applications.
VI. DECISION
A. Staff:
Staff recommends approval of the requested annexation and preliminary plat per the provisions
noted in Section VIII, per the Findings in Section IX .
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VII. EXHIBITS
A. Annexation Legal Description and Exhibit Map
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B. Farmstone Crossing Plat Boundary Legal Description and Exhibit Map
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C. Preliminary Plat & Phasing Plan
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D. Landscape Plan Rendering
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E. Pedestrian Circulation Plan
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F. Conceptual Building Elevations for Buildings 1 - 5
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II. CITY/AGENCY COMMENTS & CONDITIONS
A. PLANNING DIVISION
1. A Development Agreement (DA) is required as a provision of annexation of this property.
Prior to approval of the annexation, a DA shall be entered into between the City of Meridian
and the property owner(s)/developer at the time of ordinance adoption. A final plat will not
be accepted until the DA is executed and the AZ ordinance is approved by City Council.
Currently, a fee of $303.00 shall be paid by the Applicant to the Planning Division prior to
commencement of the DA. The DA shall be signed by the property owner and returned to the
Planning Division within six (6) months of the City Council granting the annexation and
rezone. The DA shall, at minimum, incorporate the following provisions:
a. Development of the subject property shall be generally consistent with the site plan,
landscape plan, preliminary plat, phasing plan, and conceptual building elevations
included in Section VII and the provisions contained herein. Prior to the Council
hearing, the Applicant shall provide elevations for Building #1 and Building #2
incorporating a more traditional office design to complement the plaza area.
Additionally, the Applicant shall remove the loading docks from the rear of the
buildings in favor of more parking.
b. All future development, site design and building design shall comply with the Design
Elements matrix on pg. 3-49 in the Ten Mile Interchange Specific Area Plan and the
standards in the Architectural Standards Manual, as applicable.
c. Prior to submittal of a certificate of zoning application the applicant should coordinate
with the historic preservation on either of the following options:
(1) Disassemble and store the structure, with the intention of finding an interested agency
to preserve the silo on another site prior to the commencement of the collector road
extension OR (2) construct a monument of the silos in the plaza utilizing some of the
materials from the dissembled silos.
d. The collector street (Vanguard Way) shall be constructed prior to development
commencing on the property. The applicant may deed the right-of-way to ACHD prior to
the submittal of t dedicated the first phase of a final plat.
e. Sidewalks, walkways and pathways shall include dedicated crosswalks at the intersection
with all streets of S. Black Cat Road with changes in color, markings, materials, texture
and/or surface to distinguish them from the surrounding pavement as set forth in the
TMISAP (see pg. 3-28, Crosswalks).
f. Public art in a high quality of design shall be provided in shared spaces and incorporated
into the design of streetscapes as set forth in the TMISAP (see pg. 3-47). The proposed
monument of the historic silo will satisfy this requirement.
g. The subject property shall be subdivided prior to submittal of any Certificate of Zoning
Compliance application(s) and/or building permit application.
2. Preliminary Plat:
2.1 Future development of the proposed lots is required to comply with the dimensional standards
M-E zoning districts in UDC Table 11-2B-3, as applicable.
2.2 The plat shall be revised prior to submitting the first phase of a final plat as follows: :
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a. Include a note prohibiting direct access via S. Black Cat Road and Vanguard other than
the access points approved by the City and ACHD with this application.
c. Depict street sections for Vanguard Way consistent with Street Section C in the TMISAP
with a modification that allows (3) 11-foot travel lanes, 8-foot parkways and detached 10-
foot wide sidewalks/pathways in lieu of on-street bike lanes as required by ACHD.
Streetlights are required at a pedestrian scale, unless another alternative is approved (see
pg. 3-20, 3-22, 3-23).
e. The intersection of Vanguard Way and S. Black Road shall align with the
entrance of the Black Cat Industrial project on the west side of S. Black Cat Road.
f. Depict required street landscape buffers in common lots or on permanent dedicated buffer
easements, maintained by the property owner or business owners’ association, as
applicable, as set forth in UDC 11-3B-7C.2.
g. The Applicant shall coordinate with the
property owner to the north and east to construct Vanguard Way and dedicate the right-
of-way on the final plat to ACHD.
h. Coordinate with the property owner to the east for the shared curb cut and explore the
possibility of removing the landscape buffer on the eastern side of the site to align
parking with the adjacent property owner, if desired.
2.3 The landscape plan shall be revised prior to submitting the first phase of a final plat as
follows:
a. Depict landscaping within required street buffers along Black Cat Road adjacent to the
drainage swale in front of the 10-foot pathway and Vanguard Way in accord with the
recently amended standards listed in UDC 11-3B-7C and 11-3B-8C; all required
landscape buffers along streets shall be designed and planted with a variety of trees,
shrubs, lawn, or other vegetative ground cover. Plant materials in conjunction with site
design shall elicit design principles including rhythm, repetition, balance, and focal
elements
b. Sidewalks, walkways and pathways shall include dedicated crosswalks at the intersection
with all streets of S. Black Cat Road with changes in color, markings, materials, texture
and/or surface to distinguish them from the surrounding pavement as set forth in the
TMISAP (see pg. 3-28, Crosswalks).
c. The location of mitigation trees shall be depicted on a revised landscape plan submitted
with the final plat application.
2.4 A 14-foot wide public use easement for the multi-use pathways within this site shall be
submitted to the Planning Division prior to submittal for City Engineer signature on the final
plat(s).
2.5 Prior to Certificate of Occupancy, the applicant shall record a cross-access/ingress-egress
easement to adjoining property to the east [S1215427850] and submit copy of said easement
to the Planning Division in accordance with the provisions of UDC 11-3A-3A2.
2.6 Upon completion of the landscape installation, a written Certificate of Completion shall be
submitted to the Planning Division verifying all landscape improvements are in substantial
compliance with the approved landscape plan as set forth in UDC 11-3B-14.
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2.7 The preliminary plat approval shall become null and void if the applicant fails to either: 1)
obtain the City Engineer signature on a final plat within two years of the date of the approved
findings; or 2) obtain approval of a time extension as set forth in UDC 11-6B-7.
B. PUBLIC WORKS
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=308331&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity&cr=1
C. FIRE DEPARTMENT
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=308338&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
D. DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY (DEQ)
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=308539&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
E. ADA COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=308789&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
F. IDAHO TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT (ITD)
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=308414&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
G. MERIDIAN PARK’S DEPARTMENT
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=308329&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity&cr=1
H. ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT (ACHD)
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=309887&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
I. IDAHO DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY (DEQ)
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=308539&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
J. NAMPA MERIDIAN IRRIGATION DISTRICT (NMID)
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=310445&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
K. COMPASS
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=310273&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
L. MERIDIAN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=310712&dbid=0&repo=MeridianC
ity
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IX. FINDINGS
A. Annexation and/or Rezone (UDC 11-5B-3E)
Required Findings: Upon recommendation from the commission, the council shall make a
full investigation and shall, at the public hearing, review the application. In order to grant an
annexation and/or rezone, the council shall make the following findings:
1. The map amendment complies with the applicable provisions of the comprehensive plan;
Staff finds the proposed zoning map amendment and subsequent development is generally
consistent with the Comprehensive Plan if the plans are revised.
2. The map amendment complies with the regulations outlined for the proposed district,
specifically the purpose statement;
Staff finds the proposed map amendment will allow for the development of a mix of
commercial, office, flex space, light industrial and employment uses which will provide
for the service needs of the community consistent with the purpose statement of the
commercial districts in accord with the Comprehensive Plan if the plans are revised.
3. The map amendment shall not be materially detrimental to the public health, safety, and
welfare;
Staff finds the proposed zoning map amendment should not be detrimental to the public
health, safety and welfare.
4. The map amendment shall not result in an adverse impact upon the delivery of services
by any political subdivision providing public services within the city including, but not
limited to, school districts; and
Staff finds the proposed zoning map amendment will not result in an adverse impact on
the delivery of services by any political subdivision providing public services within the
City.
5. The annexation (as applicable) is in the best interest of city.
Staff finds the annexation is in the best interest of the City if the plans are revised.
B. Preliminary Plat Findings (11-6B-6)
In consideration of a preliminary plat, combined preliminary and final plat, or short plat, the
decision-making body shall make the following findings:
1. The plat is in conformance with the Comprehensive Plan;
Staff finds that the proposed plat is in substantial compliance with the adopted
Comprehensive Plan in regard to land use and transportation if the plans are revised.
(Please see Comprehensive Plan Policies in, Section IV of this report for more
information.)
2. Public services are available or can be made available and are adequate to accommodate
the proposed development;
Staff finds that public services will be provided to the subject property with development.
(See Exhibit B of the Staff Report for more details from public service providers.)
3. The plat is in conformance with scheduled public improvements in accord with the City’s
capital improvement program;
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Because City water and sewer and any other utilities will be provided by the development
at their own cost, Staff finds that the subdivision will not require the expenditure of capital
improvement funds.
4. There is public financial capability of supporting services for the proposed development;
Staff finds there is public financial capability of supporting services for the proposed
development based upon comments from the public service providers (i.e., Fire, ACHD,
etc.). (See Section VIII for more information.)
5. The development will not be detrimental to the public health, safety or general welfare;
and,
Staff is not aware of any health, safety, or environmental problems associated with the
platting of this property. ACHD considers road safety issues in their analysis.
6. The development preserves significant natural, scenic or historic features.
Staff is aware of the significant natural, scenic or historic features that exist on this site
that require preserving.
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Applicant Presentation
FARMSTONE CROSSING Preliminary Plat Request and Annexation, Zoning
PROPERTY East of Black Cat Rd84-North of I29 ACRES84-I DETAILS
FLUM Mixed EmploymentPROPERTY DESIGNATION:E-ME-ME-MRESHIGH -MEDE-L
ZONING E-M Mixed Employment
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LOCATION would fail apartThe Silo cannot be moved as it STRUCTURE SILO way for Vanguard St-of-The Silo is located in the right
LOCATION 21 road to the West of ACHD approved City TMSIPACHD’s MSM and location from The collector SILOVANGUARDBLACK CAT RD
DISASSEMBLE has reviewed this plan and the commission is supportive of this plan.The Historic Preservation Commission SILO PLAN design to the Historic Preservation Commission for development.
We will present the monument We will construct a monument the Plaza of this MONUMENTwill disassemble the structure for the agencyto preserve the silo (prior to construction), we If
an interested agency is identified
DELICA*For illustration purposes only. Subject to change
PRELIMINARY PLAT
PRELIMINARY Use Pathway-Regional Mixed 1 BLACK CAT RDVANGUARD 12-R6-R Central Plaza 1 Buildings 6PLAT
PLAZA the this plaza.in the center of be constructed monument will gathering plaza. Central
PATHWAYS site. designed throughout the pathways have been Several interconnected BLACK CAT RDVANGUARD 12-R6-R
MEETS OBJECTIVE 3.03.01A ALIGNMENTCOMP PLAN commercial near employment areasEncourage the development of supportive MEETS OBJECTIVE 3.06.02C and along key transportation corridors.vision
in special areas, areas with specific plans,Continue to develop and implement the desired
RENDERINGS
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CONDITIONS Report.of approval from the Staff We agree to all the conditions APPROVALOF
THANK YOU Crossing .FarmstonePreliminary Plat Approval of We are requesting of Annexation, Zoning and
AGENDA ITEM
ITEM TOPIC: Public Hearing for Reveille Ridge Subdivision (H-2023-0050) by Bailey
Engineering, generally located on the west side of S. Eagle Rd., approximately 1/2 mile south of
E. Lake Hazel Rd.
Application Materials: https://bit.ly/H-2023-0050
A. Request: Annexation of 59.97 acres of land with an R-8 (34.69 acres) and R-15 (25.28 acres)
zoning districts.
B. Request: Preliminary Plat consisting of 247 building lots and 37 common lots on 59.77 acres of
land in the R-8 and R-15 zoning districts.
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HEARING
DATE:
February 15, 2024
TO: Planning & Zoning Commission
FROM: Sonya Allen, Associate Planner
208-884-5533
SUBJECT: Reveille Ridge Subdivision – AZ, PP
H-2023-0050
LOCATION: 7355 S. Eagle Rd., in the east ½ of
Section 5, T.2N., R.1E. (Parcels:
S1405417400, S1405142100,
S1405427800 & S1405131500)
I. PROJECT DESCRIPTION
Annexation of 59.97 acres of land with R-8 (34.69 acres) and R-15 (25.28 acres) zoning districts; and
Preliminary Plat consisting of 246 building lots and 38 common lots on 59.77 acres of land in the R-8 and R-
15 zoning districts for the Reveille Ridge Subdivision.
II. SUMMARY OF REPORT
A. Project Summary
STAFF REPORT
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT
Description Details
Acreage 59.77 acres
Future Land Use Designation Low Density Residential (LDR) (31+/- acres) & Medium Density Residential
(MDR) (28+/- acres)
Existing Land Use Rural residential/agricultural
Proposed Land Use(s) Single-family detached/attached & townhome dwellings
Current Zoning Rural Urban Transition (RUT) in Ada County
Proposed Zoning R-8 (Medium Density Residential) & R-15 (Medium-high Density
Residential)
Lots (# and type; bldg/common) 246 building/38 common
Phasing plan (# of phases) 4
Number of Residential Units (type
of units)
170 single-family detached, 14 single-family attached, 62 townhome units
Density (gross & net) 4.13 units/acre overall (gross) (2.96 units/acre in LDR; 5.3 units/acre in
MDR)
Open Space (acres, total [%] /
buffer / qualified)
11.78 acres (or 19.71%)
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B. Community Metrics
Access (Arterial/Collectors/State
Hwy/Local)(Existing and Proposed)
One (1) access is proposed via S. Eagle Rd., a residential arterial street. A
north/south and an east/west collector street are proposed. Several stub
streets are proposed to adjacent properties for future extension and
interconnectivity.
Proposed Road Improvements No funded improvements and no planned improvements.
Fire Service
• Distance to Fire Station 1.0 mile from Station 7
• Fire Response Time Project falls in an area where the FD doesn’t have total response times for an
effective firefighting force that meet NFPA 1710 standards or current City
adopted standards.
• Resource Reliability Unknown for Station 7 as it just opened; 77% for Station 4, which doesn’t
meet the 80% goal
• Risk Identification 2 (current resources would not be adequate to supply service to this project)
• Accessibility Meets all requirements
• Special/resource needs Will require an aerial device; can meet this need
• Water Supply 1,000 gallons/minute for one hour
• Other Resources
Police Service No comments received
West Ada School District No comments received
Wastewater
• Distance to Sewer Services
Amenities Pathways, picnic areas, fitness stations.
Physical Features (waterways,
hazards, flood plain, hillside)
The Williams Northwest gas pipeline runs through this site within a 75’ wide
easement. The Farr Lateral runs along the northern boundary on the east portion of
the site.
Neighborhood meeting date 6/15/23
History (previous approvals) None
Description Details
Ada County Highway District
• Staff report (yes/no) Not yet
• Requires ACHD
Commission Action (yes/no)
No
• TIS (yes/no) Yes
• Level of Service (LOS) Eagle Road south of Lake Hazel Road is operating at a LOS of better than
“D” according to the TIS.
• Existing Conditions There is one driveway serving the existing home via S. Eagle Rd., a 2-lane
roadway
• CIP/IFYWP No improvements planned directly abutting the site. Lake Hazel Rd. is
scheduled in the IFYWP to be widened to 5-lanes from Locust Grove to
Eagle Rd. in 2024 and to 5-lanes from Eagle to Cloverdale Rd. in 2025. The
intersection of Lake Hazel & Eagle Rd. is scheduled in the IFYWP to be
widened to 5-lanes on the north leg, 4-lanes on the south, 4-lanes on the east,
and 3-lanes on the west leg to be reconstructed in 2024.
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• Sewer Shed
• Estimated Project Sewer ERU’s See application
• WRRF Declining Balance
• Project Consistent with WW
Master Plan/Facility Plan
Yes
• Impacts/Concerns Flow is committed. See Public Works Site Specific Conditions
Water
• Distance to Services Water available at site.
• Pressure Zone 5
• Estimated Project Water ERU’s See application
• Water Quality Concerns None
• Project Consistent with Water
Master Plan
Yes
• Impacts/Concerns See Public Works Site Specific Conditions in Section IX.B of this report.
C. Project Maps
Future Land Use Map
Aerial Map
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III. APPLICANT INFORMATION
A. Applicant:
Judy Schmidt, Bailey Engineering – 1119 E. State St., #210, Eagle, ID 83616
B. Owners:
Endurance Holdings, LLC – 1977 E. Overland Rd., Meridian, ID 83642
C. Representative:
Shawn Brownlee, Trilogy Development – 9839 W. Cable Car St., Ste. 101, Boise, ID 83709
IV. NOTICING
Planning & Zoning
Posting Date
City Council
Posting Date
Newspaper notification
published in newspaper 1/30/2024
Radius notification mailed to
property owners within 300 feet 1/26/2024
Public hearing notice sign posted
on site 1/24/2024
Nextdoor posting 1/30/2024
V. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ANALYSIS
FUTURE LAND USE: Approximately 31-acres of the eastern portion of this property is designated Low
Density Residential (LDR) and approximately 28-acres of the western portion is designated Medium Density
Zoning Map
Planned Development Map
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Residential (MDR) on the Future Land Use Map (FLUM) contained in the Comprehensive Plan (see map
above in Section II.C).
The LDR allows for the development of single-family homes on large and estate lots at gross densities of
three dwelling units or less per acre. These areas often transition between existing rural residential and urban
properties. Developments need to respect agricultural heritage and resources, recognize view sheds and open
spaces, and maintain or improve the overall atmosphere of the area. The use of open spaces, parks, trails, and
other appropriate means should enhance the character of the area. Density bonuses may be considered with
the provision of additional public amenities such as a park, school, or land dedicated for public services.
The MDR designation allows for dwelling units at gross densities of 3 to 8 dwelling units per acre. Density
bonuses may be considered with the provision of additional public amenities such as a park, school, or land
dedicated for public services.
TRANSPORTATION: ACHD’s Master Street Map (MSM) depicts an east/west collector street across this
property from S. Eagle Rd. to the west property boundary and a north/south collector street along the west
boundary of the site. This property is within the area governed by the South Meridian Transportation Plan.
No improvements are planned directly abutting the site in the CIP or IFYWP. Lake Hazel Rd. is scheduled in
the IFYWP to be widened to 5-lanes from Locust Grove to Eagle Rd. in 2024 and to 5-lanes from Eagle to
Cloverdale Rd. in 2025. The intersection of Lake Hazel & Eagle Rd. is scheduled in the IFYWP to be
widened to 5-lanes on the north leg, 4-lanes on the south, 4-lanes on the east, and 3-lanes on the west leg to
be reconstructed in 2024.
PROPOSED USE: The subject property is proposed to develop with a mix of single-family residential
detached and attached dwellings and townhome dwellings at a gross overall density of 4.13 units per acre
(2.96 units/acre in LDR and 5.30 units/acre in MDR) consistent with the density desired in the
Comprehensive Plan for this area.
Goals, Objectives, & Action Items: Staff finds the following Comprehensive Plan policies to be applicable
to this application and apply to the proposed use of this property (staff analysis in italics):
• “Encourage a variety of housing types that meet the needs, preferences, and financial capabilities of
Meridian’s present and future residents.” (2.01.02D)
The proposed single-family attached and detached dwellings and townhome dwellings will provide a
mix of housing types to meet the needs, preferences and financial capabilities of present and future
residents in the City as desired.
• “Permit new development only where it can be adequately served by critical public facilities and
urban services at the time of final approval, and in accord with any adopted levels of service for
public facilities and services.” (3.03.03F)
City water and sewer service is available and can be extended by the developer with development in
accord with UDC 11-3A-21.
• “Require all new development to create a site design compatible with surrounding uses through
buffering, screening, transitional densities, and other best site design practices.” (3.07.01A)
The proposed site design with smaller lot sizes abutting similar size lots to the north planned in
Vertex Subdivision and to the west adjacent to Discovery Park, a 75-acre City park, and MDR
designated property to the west and south; and larger lots abutting similar size lots to the north in
The Keep Subdivision and to LDR designated property to the east will provide a good transition in
density and lot sizes to existing and future development.
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• “Encourage compatible uses and site design to minimize conflicts and maximize use of land.”
(3.07.00)
The proposed residential uses and site layout should minimize conflicts and maximize use of land.
• “Ensure development is connected to City of Meridian water and sanitary sewer systems and the
extension to and through said developments are constructed in conformance with the City of
Meridian Water and Sewer System Master Plans in effect at the time of development.” (3.03.03A)
The proposed development will connect to City water and sewer systems with development of the
subdivision; services are required to be provided to and though this development in accord with
current City plans.
• “Require pedestrian access in all new development to link subdivisions together and promote
neighborhood connectivity.” (2.02.01D)
A 10’ wide multi-use pathway is proposed through the site from the south to the north boundary
within the Williams Pipeline easement and a 5’ wide pathway is proposed along the Farr Lateral on
the northeast portion of the site, which should be widened to 10’ in accord with the Pathways Master
Plan. Other micro paths and internal pathways are proposed for pedestrian connectivity within the
development.
• “Require urban infrastructure be provided for all new developments, including curb and gutter,
sidewalks, water and sewer utilities.” (3.03.03G)
Urban sewer and water infrastructure and curb, gutter and sidewalks are required to be provided
with development of the subdivision.
• “Eliminate existing private treatment and septic systems on properties annexed into the City and
instead connect users to the City wastewater system; discourage the prolonged use of private
treatment septic systems for enclave properties.”
With redevelopment of the site, the septic system for the existing home should be abandoned.
• “Reduce the number of existing access points onto arterial streets by using methods such as cross-
access agreements, access management, and frontage/backage roads, and promoting local and
collector street connectivity.” (6.01.02B)
There is currently one (1) access driveway via S. Eagle Rd. for this property, which will be replaced
by a collector street that will extend to the west boundary of the site for future extension. Another
north/south collector street is proposed along the west boundary of the site for future extension to
the north and south. These collector streets should increase connectivity in this area and distribute
traffic from the arterial street. Stub streets are proposed to adjacent properties to the north fronting
on S. Eagle Rd., which should reduce access points to the arterial street in the future.
VI. STAFF ANALYSIS
A. ANNEXATION (AZ)
The Applicant proposes to annex 59.97 acres of land with R-8 (34.69-acres) and R-15 (25.28-acres)
zoning districts and develop the site with a mix of single-family attached and detached and townhome
dwellings at densities consistent with the underlying LDR and MDR FLUM designations as discussed
above in Section V.
A legal description and exhibit map for the overall annexation area is included in Section VIII.A along
with individual legal descriptions and exhibit maps for individual zones. This property is within the
City’s Area of City Impact boundary.
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A preliminary plat and conceptual building elevations were submitted showing how the property is
proposed to be subdivided and developed with 246 building lots and associated common area and public
streets (see Section VIII).
Single-family attached and detached and townhouse dwellings are listed as a principal permitted use in
both the R-8 and R-15 zoning districts per UDC Table 11-2A-2.
The City may require a development agreement (DA) in conjunction with an annexation pursuant to
Idaho Code section 67-6511A. To ensure the subject property develops as proposed, Staff
recommends a DA is required with the provisions discussed herein and included in Section IX.A.
B. PRELIMINARY PLAT (PP):
The proposed preliminary plat consists of 246 building lots and 38 common lots on 59.77 acres of land
in the proposed R-8 and R-15 zoning districts as shown on the preliminary plat in Section VIII.B. A mix
of front- and alley-loaded single-family detached (170), single-family attached (14) and townhomes (62)
are proposed. Building lots range in size from 2,600 square feet (s.f.) (or 0.6-acre) to 14,798 s.f. (or 0.34-
acre).
Phasing Plan: The subdivision is proposed to develop in four (4) phases per the phasing plan in Section
VIII.B. The first phase is located along the southern boundary of the site and includes construction of all
of the collector streets within the site. The second phase is the northeast portion of the development. The
third phase is centrally located and contains the pond and most of the common open space for the
development, including the linear open space in the Williams Pipeline easement. The fourth phase is the
northwest portion of the development. Staff recommends the phasing plan is revised to switch Phases
2 and 3 so the open space is provided in an earlier phase for the enjoyment of residents.
Existing Structures/Site Improvements: There is an existing home and several other structures on
the property that are not being retained that are required to be removed prior to submittal of the
final plat for City Engineer’s signature. There is also an existing driveway via S. Eagle Rd. that will
be replaced with a public street.
Dimensional Standards (UDC 11-2): The proposed plat and future development is subject to the
dimensional standards listed in UDC Table 11-2A-6 for the R-8 zoning district and Table 11-2A-7 for the
R-15 zoning district, as applicable. Zero (0) setbacks should be depicted on the plat where single-
family attached and townhome structures are proposed to span across lot lines where no
easements will exist. Note: Street setbacks are measured from back of sidewalk, which will affect
building placement on lots along collector streets.
Subdivision Design & Improvement Standards: The proposed subdivision is required to comply with
the design and improvement standards listed in UDC 11-6C-3, including those for streets and alleys.
Product Type: A mix of single-family attached and detached and townhome dwellings are proposed to
develop on the site as shown on the exhibit map in Section VIII.
Access: Public streets and alleys and a common driveway are proposed for access within the
development. Two (2) collector streets are proposed in accord with ACHD’s Master Street Map as noted
above in Section V. Homes fronting on the collector streets do not have access from the collector streets.
Public stub streets are proposed to adjacent properties to the northeast, north, west and south for future
interconnectivity and to reduce future access points on S. Eagle Rd., in accord with UDC 11-3A-3A.3.
A common driveway is proposed on Lot 51, Block 16 for access to Lots 52-54, Block 16; compliance
with the standards listed in UDC 11-6C-3D for such is required. A perpetual ingress/egress is required
as a note on a recorded final plat or a separate recorded easement. The easement or plat note shall
include a requirement for maintenance of a paved surface capable of supporting fire vehicles and
equipment. A common driveway exhibit that demonstrates compliance with the R-15 dimensional
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standards is included in Section VIII.F; future development of these lots should be consistent with
this exhibit. Fencing is required along Lot 51, Block 16 to distinguish common from private areas
as set forth in UDC 11-3A-7A.7a. A 5-foot wide landscape buffer planted with shrubs, lawn or
other vegetative groundcover should be provided along the southwest side of the common
driveway on Lot 51, Block 16 in accord with UDC 11-6C-3D.5.
Pathways: All pathways should be constructed in accord with the standards listed in UDC 11-3A-8. A
10’ wide multi-use pathway is required within the Williams Pipeline easement and along the south side
of the Farr Lateral in a 14-foot wide public pedestrian easement in accord with the Pathways Master
Plan. Other pathways are proposed throughout the site for internal pedestrian connectivity. The 10-foot
wide multi-use pathway within the Williams Pipeline easement should be extended through Lot 1,
Block 14 for future extension to the south. The 10-foot wide multi-use pathway along the Farr
Lateral in Lot 16, Block 2 should also be extended to the northwest to connect to the multi-use
pathway in Vertex Subdivision to the north. In order to provide connectivity between the multi-
use pathways within the site, Staff recommends a 10-foot wide sidewalk is provided along Taps to
between the Williams pipeline pathway and the Farr Lateral pathway.
Sidewalks/Parkways (11-3A-17): For public safety, Staff recommends 10-foot wide detached
sidewalks are provided along all collector and arterial streets within and adjacent to the site;
parkways should comply with the standards listed in UDC 11-3A-17. The plat and landscape plan,
should be revised accordingly.
Landscaping: A minimum 25-foot wide street buffer is required along S. Eagle Rd., an arterial street,
measured from ultimate back of curb location; and 20-foot wide street buffers are required along E.
Vantage Pointe and St L, collector streets, per UDC Tables 11-2A-6 and 11-2A-7. The buffer along E.
Vantage Pointe on Blocks 12 and 15 needs to be fully landscaped, including the area on the back
side of the sidewalk. Landscaping is required within the street buffers and parkways in accord
with the standards listed in UDC 11-3B-7C.3; the landscape plan should be revised to include a
mix of landscaping materials and a calculations table that demonstrates compliance with the
standards. All street buffers should be in a common lot or on a permanent dedicated buffer
easement maintained by the property owner or homeowner’s association; street buffers should be
depicted on the plat accordingly and labeled as such.
Landscaping, including trees and shrubs, should be depicted on the landscape plan within the 5’
wide landscape strip on each side of all pathways as set forth in UDC 11-3B-12C. Note: Alternative
compliance may be requested for the trees along the pathway in the Williams pipeline easement as set
forth in UDC 11-5B-5.
There are several existing trees on the site – where possible, existing trees should be retained.
Mitigation is required in accord with the standards listed in UDC 11-3B-10C.5; calculations
demonstrating compliance with the aforementioned standards should be depicted on the landscape
plan.
Common Open Space & Site Amenities (UDC 11-3G-3): A minimum of 15% (or 8.97-acres) common
open space is required to be provided in the R-8 and R-15 zoning districts per UDC Table 11-3G-3.
Open space areas are required to comply with the quality standards listed in UDC 11-3G-3A.2. The
qualifications for open space are outlined in UDC 11-3G-3B.
An open space exhibit was submitted as shown in Section VIII.D that depicts common open space
totaling 14.79-acres (or 24.74%); qualified open space consists of 11.77-acres (or 19.69%), exceeding
the minimum standard. Qualified areas consist of open grassy areas of at least 5,000 square feet in area,
linear open space, a pond with site amenities (i.e. picnic areas), and active and passive open spaces.
Based on 59.77-acres of development area, a minimum of 12 site amenity points is required to be
provided. For projects such as this that are over 40-acres in size, multiple amenities are required from
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each of the categories listed in UDC Table 11-3G-4. The Applicant proposes amenities in accord with
the minimum standards from each of the required categories, as follows:
The proposed amenities should comply with the associated standards listed in UDC 11-3G-4C, D,
E and F.
Open Water Pond: An open water pond exists on the site that is proposed to remain on Lot 1, Block 16.
The pond is required to have recirculated water and be maintained such that it does not become a
mosquito breeding ground as set forth in UDC 11-3G-3B.6.
Parking: Off-street parking is required to be provided for each home based on the total number of
bedrooms per unit as set forth in UDC Table 11-3C-6. Two (2) off-street parking areas with a total of 16
parking spaces are proposed on Lots 20 and 80, Block 16.
Williams Pipeline: The Williams Northwest Gas Pipeline crosses this site within a 75-foot wide
easement contained in common lots as depicted on the preliminary plat. Any development and/or
improvements within the easement should comply with the Williams Developer’s Handbook.
Waterways: The Farr Lateral exists along the eastern portion of the northern boundary of the site within
a 55-foot wide easement (25-feet on the north side and 30-feet on the south side of the lateral’s
centerline).
All irrigation ditches and laterals crossing this site that aren’t being improved as a water amenity or
linear open space as defined in UDC 11-1A-1 are required to be piped or otherwise covered as set forth
in UDC 11-3A-6B.3, unless otherwise waived by City Council. The Applicant requests a waiver from
Council to leave the Farr Lateral open and not pipe it as allowed in UDC 11-3A-6B.3a. To preserve
public safety, the Applicant proposes to construct a 6’ tall wrought iron fence along the northern
boundary of Lot 16, Block 2 outside of the Boise Project Board of Control’s easement in accord
with UDC 11-3A-6C and the Pathways Master Plan.
Fencing: All fencing is required to comply with the standards listed in UDC 11-3A-6C and 11-3A-7, as
applicable. The landscape plan depicts a mix of 6’ tall vinyl privacy fencing and 5’ tall wrought iron
fencing.
Because there is a common lot with a pathway planned in Vertex Subdivision along the northern
boundary of the site, Staff recommends the fencing in this location is changed to 5’ tall wrought
iron fencing to match that on the north side of the pathway and that proposed on this site to the
east along the Farr Lateral in accord with UDC 11-3A-7A.7b.
Utilities (UDC 11-3A-21): Connection to City water and sewer services is required in accord with UDC
11-3A-21. Street lighting is required to be installed in accord with the City’s adopted standards,
specifications and ordinances. A pressure reducing station is proposed on Lot 1, Block 19.
Pressurized Irrigation System (UDC 11-3A-15): Underground pressurized irrigation water is required
to be provided to each lot within the subdivision as set forth in UDC 11-3A-15.
Storm Drainage (UDC 11-3A-18): An adequate storm drainage system is required in all developments
in accord with the City’s adopted standards, specifications and ordinances. Design and construction shall
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follow best management practice as adopted by the City as set forth in UDC 11-3A-18. A Geotechnical
Evaluation was submitted with this application.
Building Elevations: Several conceptual building elevations of 1- and 2-story single-family detached
and townhome dwellings were submitted as shown in Section VIII.E. Conceptual elevations will be
submitted for the single-family attached units as well prior to the Commission hearing. Building
materials consist of a variety of horizontal and vertical siding and stucco with stone/brick veneer accents.
Because homes on lots that face collector (E. Vantage Pointe & St L) and arterial (S. Eagle Rd.)
will be highly visible, Staff recommends the rear and/or sides of structures facing these streets
incorporate articulation through changes in two or more of the following: modulation (e.g.
projections, recesses, step-backs, pop-outs), bays, banding, porches, balconies, material types, or
other integrated architectural elements to break up monotonous wall planes and roof lines that are
visible from the subject public streets.
Design review is required for all single-family attached and townhome structures; design review is not
required for single-family detached structures.
VII. DECISION
A. Staff:
Staff recommends approval of the proposed annexation with the requirement of a Development
Agreement, and preliminary plat per the provisions in Section IX in accord with the Findings in Section
X.
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VIII. EXHIBITS
A. Annexation Legal Description and Exhibit Map
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B. Preliminary Plat (dated: 1/10/24) & Phasing Plan (dated: 2/12/24)
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C. Landscape Plan (dated: 12/12/2023)
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D. Qualified Open Space Exhibit (dated: 12/10/2023)
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E. Conceptual Building Elevations
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F. Common Driveway Exhibit
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G. Product Type Exhibit Map
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IX. CITY/AGENCY COMMENTS & CONDITIONS
A. PLANNING DIVISION
1. A Development Agreement (DA) is required as a provision of annexation of this property. Prior to
approval of the annexation ordinance, a DA shall be entered into between the City of Meridian, the
property owner(s) at the time of annexation ordinance adoption, and the developer.
Currently, a fee of $303.00 shall be paid by the Applicant to the Planning Division prior to
commencement of the DA. The DA shall be signed by the property owner and returned to the
Planning Division within six (6) months of the date of City Council approval of the Findings of Fact,
Conclusions of Law and Decision & Order for the annexation request. A final plat application will
not be accepted until the property is annexed (i.e. the ordinance and development agreement are
recorded). The DA shall, at minimum, incorporate the following provisions IF City Council
determines annexation is in the best interest of the City:
a. Future development of this site shall generally comply with the development plans submitted
with this application, included in Section VIII, and the provisions contained herein.
b. A 10-foot wide detached sidewalk/multi-use pathway shall be provided within the required street
buffers along all collector and arterial streets within and adjacent to the site (i.e. S. Eagle Rd., E.
Vantage Pointe and St L).
c. The rear and/or sides of homes on lots that face collector (E. Vantage Pointe & St L) and arterial
(S. Eagle Rd.) streets shall incorporate articulation through changes in two or more of the
following: modulation (e.g. projections, recesses, step-backs, pop-outs), bays, banding, porches,
balconies, material types, or other integrated architectural elements to break up monotonous wall
planes and roof lines that are visible from the subject public streets.
2. The final plat shall include the following revisions:
a. Depict a minimum 20-foot wide street buffer in a dedicated buffer easement on lots adjacent to
E. Vantage Pointe and St L, collector streets, labeled accordingly.
b. Depict the future curb location as anticipated by ACHD along S. Eagle Rd.; and a minimum 25-
foot wide street buffer, measured from the ultimate curb location.
c. Depict 10-foot wide detached sidewalks/multi-use pathways within the required street buffers
along all collector and arterial streets within and adjacent to the site (i.e. S. Eagle Rd., E.
Vantage Pointe and St L).
d. Depict zero (0) setbacks on lot lines where townhomes are proposed to span across where no
easements will exist.
e. Graphically depict and label the 30-foot wide easement for the Farr Lateral, measured from the
centerline of the lateral, located on Lot 17, Block 2.
f. Perpetual ingress/egress shall be required either by a recorded easement or as a note on a
recorded final plat. The easement or plat note shall include a requirement for maintenance of a
paved surface capable of supporting fire vehicles and equipment as set forth in UDC 11-6C-
3D.8.
g. Depict 10-foot wide detached sidewalks/pathways along all collector and arterial streets within
and adjacent to the site (i.e. S. Eagle Rd., E. Vantage Pointe and St L). Parkways shall comply
with the standards listed in UDC 11-3A-17E.
h. Graphically depict the 75-foot wide easement for the Williams Pipeline.
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i. Depict a 10-foot wide sidewalk along one side of Taps to between the Williams pipeline
pathway and the Farr Lateral pathway.
3. The landscape plan submitted with the final plat shall include the following revisions:
a. Depict a minimum 20-foot wide street buffer in a dedicated buffer easement on lots adjacent to
E. Vantage Pointe and St L, collector streets, labeled accordingly.
b. Depict the future curb location as anticipated by ACHD along S. Eagle Rd.; depict a minimum
25-foot wide street buffer, measured from the ultimate curb location.
c. Depict landscaping with a mix of materials within the street buffers along S. Eagle Rd., E.
Vantage Pointe and St L, in accord with the standards listed in UDC 11-3B-7C.3; include
calculations that demonstrate compliance.
d. Include mitigation information for all existing trees being removed from the site in accord with
the standards listed in UDC 11-3B-10C.5.
e. Depict 10-foot wide detached sidewalks/multi-use pathways within the required street buffers
along all collector and arterial streets within and adjacent to the site (i.e. S. Eagle Rd., E.
Vantage Pointe and St L).
f. Depict landscaping with a mix of materials along each side of all pathways, in accord with the
standards listed in UDC 11-3B-12C. Note: Alternative compliance may be requested for the
trees along the pathway in the Williams pipeline easement as set forth in UDC 11-5B-5.
g. Change the fencing type along the northern boundary on the western portion of the site adjacent
to the common open space with a pathway in Vertex Subdivision to 5-foot tall wrought iron
fencing in accord with UDC 11-3A-7A.7b.
h. Extend the 10-foot wide multi-use pathway to the south through Lot 1, Block 14 for future
extension to the south.
i. Extend the 10-foot wide multi-use pathway along the Farr Lateral in Lot 16, Block 2 (in the
vicinity of Lot 6, Block 2) to the northwest to connect to the multi-use pathway in Vertex
Subdivision to the north.
j. Include a detail for the picnic areas on Lot 1, Block 16 that includes tables, benches, landscaping
and a structure for shade to demonstrate compliance with UDC 11-3G-4C.5.
k. Depict a 10-foot wide sidewalk along one side of Taps to between the Williams pipeline
pathway and the Farr Lateral pathway.
l. Depict fencing along Lot 51, Block 16 to distinguish common from private areas as set forth in
UDC 11-3A-7A.7a.
m. Depict a 5-foot wide landscape buffer planted with shrubs, lawn or other vegetative groundcover
along the southwest side of the common driveway on Lot 51, Block 16 in accord with UDC 11-
6C-3D.5.
n. Depict details for the picnic area, tot lot, bike repair station and fitness course amenities that
demonstrate compliance with the standards for such listed in UDC 11-3G-4C, D, E and F.
4. All irrigation ditches, laterals, sloughs or canals, including the Farr Lateral, crossing this site shall
be piped or otherwise covered as set forth in UDC 11-3A-6B.3, unless waived by City Council. The
Applicant requests approval of a waiver from Council to leave the lateral open.
5. All existing structures shall be removed from the site prior to submittal of the final plat for City
Engineer signature.
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6. Comply with the subdivision design and improvement standards listed in UDC 11-6C-3.
7. Submit a 14-foot wide public pedestrian easement for the multi-use pathway within the Williams
Pipeline easement and along the Farr Lateral, as required by the Park’s Dept. in Section IX.G below.
8. Comply with the Williams Developer’s Handbook for any development and/or improvements within
the Williams pipeline easement.
9. The open water pond on Lot 1, Block 16 shall have recirculated water and be maintained such that it
does not become a mosquito breeding ground as set forth in UDC 11-3G-3B.6.
10. Future development of Lots 52-54, Block 16 shall be consistent with the common driveway exhibit
included in Section VIII.F and the standards listed in UDC 11-6C-3D.
11. Modify the phasing plan to switch Phases 2 and 3. Future development shall comply with the
modified phasing plan.
12. An administrative design review application shall be submitted for the single-family attached and
townhome structures to ensure compliance with the design standards listed in the Architectural
Standards Manual.
13. Future development shall substantially comply with the product type exhibit in Section VIII.G.
14. Approval of a preliminary plat shall become null and void if the applicant fails to obtain the city
engineer's signature on the final plat within two (2) years of the approval of the preliminary plat.
Upon written request and filing by the applicant prior to the termination of the period, the director
may authorize a single extension of time to obtain the city engineer's signature on the final plat not
to exceed two (2) years. Additional time extensions up to two (2) years as determined and approved
by the City Council may be granted. With all extensions, the director or City Council may require
the preliminary plat, combined preliminary and final plat or short plat to comply with the current
provisions of this title.
B. PUBLIC WORKS
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=330721&dbid=0&repo=MeridianCity
C. FIRE DEPARTMENT
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=330723&dbid=0&repo=MeridianCity
D. DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY (DEQ)
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=331450&dbid=0&repo=MeridianCity&cr
=1
E. ADA COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES (ACDS)
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=331625&dbid=0&repo=MeridianCity
F. IDAHO TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT (ITD)
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=331878&dbid=0&repo=MeridianCity
G. PARK’S DEPARTMENT
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=333344&dbid=0&repo=MeridianCity
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H. BOISE PROJECT BOARD OF CONTROL
https://weblink.meridiancity.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=333138&dbid=0&repo=MeridianCity
I. ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT (ACHD)
Not yet received
X. FINDINGS
A. Annexation and/or Rezone (UDC 11-5B-3E)
Required Findings: Upon recommendation from the commission, the council shall make a full
investigation and shall, at the public hearing, review the application. In order to grant an annexation
and/or rezone, the council shall make the following findings:
1. The map amendment complies with the applicable provisions of the comprehensive plan;
Staff finds the Applicant’s request to annex the subject property with R-8 and R-15 zoning and develop
with a mix of single-family attached, single-family detached and townhome dwellings on the site at the
densities proposed is generally consistent with the Comprehensive Plan per the analysis in Section V.
2. The map amendment complies with the regulations outlined for the proposed district,
specifically the purpose statement;
Staff finds the proposed map amendment to the R-8 and R-15 zoning districts and development with
a mix of housing types generally complies with the purpose statement of the residential districts in
that it will contribute to the range of housing opportunities available in the City consistent with the
Comprehensive Plan.
3. The map amendment shall not be materially detrimental to the public health, safety, and
welfare;
Staff finds the proposed map amendment should not be detrimental to the public health, safety and
welfare as the proposed residential uses should be compatible with adjacent existing and future
single-family residential homes/uses in the area.
4. The map amendment shall not result in an adverse impact upon the delivery of services by any
political subdivision providing public services within the city including, but not limited to,
school districts; and
Staff finds City services are available to be provided to this development. Comments were not
received from WASD on this application.
5. The annexation (as applicable) is in the best interest of city.
Staff finds the proposed annexation is in the best interest of the city.
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B. Preliminary Plat (UDC 11-6B-6)
In consideration of a preliminary plat, combined preliminary and final plat, or short plat, the decision-
making body shall make the following findings: (Ord. 05-1170, 8-30-2005, eff. 9-15-2005)
1. The plat is in conformance with the comprehensive plan and is consistent with this unified
development code; (Ord. 08-1372, 7-8-2008, eff. 7-8-2008)
Staff finds the proposed plat is in conformance with the UDC and generally conforms with the
Comprehensive Plan.
2. Public services are available or can be made available and are adequate to accommodate the
proposed development;
Staff finds public services can be made available to the subject property and will be adequate to
accommodate the proposed development.
3. The plat is in conformance with scheduled public improvements in accord with the city's capital
improvement program;
Staff finds the proposed plat is in conformance with scheduled public improvements in accord with
the City’s capital improvement program.
4. There is public financial capability of supporting services for the proposed development;
Staff finds there is public financial capability of supporting services for the proposed development.
5. The development will not be detrimental to the public health, safety or general welfare; and
Staff finds the proposed development will not be detrimental to the public health, safety or general
welfare.
6. The development preserves significant natural, scenic or historic features. (Ord. 05-1170, 8-30-2005,
eff. 9-15-2005)
Staff is unaware of any significant natural, scenic or historic features that need to be preserved
with this development.
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Applicant Presentation
REVEILLE RIDGE Annexation, Zoning and Preliminary Plat Request
PROPERTY EAGLE RDLAKE HAZEL RD West of Eagle RdSouth of Lake Hazel Rd59.77 ACRES DETAILS
FLUM LOWLOWMEDIUMCIVICMEDIUMMEDIUM Medium & Low Density PROPERTY DESIGNATION:
ZONING 15-R8-RRUT2-R8-R 15-8 & R-R PROPOSED ZONING:
PRELIMINARY Duets 14 per acreUnits 4.12 Townhomes 62(detached)Single family 170PLAT
PRODUCT MIX DuetsTownhomes(Detached)Single family
AMENITIES 2341 stationBike repair 4 Tot Lot(6)Fitness Stations w/ shelters (3)Picnic tables 321 SPACEOPEN 19.7%
AMENITIES 5 pathwaysSeveral multiuse 5
FARR FARR LATERAL safety. We are proposing 6’ iron fencing for to leave the Farr Lateral open. 6B -3A-Requesting a waiver UDC 11WAIVER REQUEST
PHASING build lots60 64 build lots51 build lots 23414321 71 build lots
MEETS OBJECTIVE 2.01.02.D ALIGNMENTCOMP PLAN through connected pathwaysPromote neighborhood connectivity MEETS OBJECTIVE 2.02.01.D typesEncourage a variety of housing
TIMELINE FULL BUILD OUT 20312031 PHASE 4 2029 PHASE 3 2027 PHASE 2 2025 PHASE 1
ELEVATIONS
DELICA
DELICA
DELICA
DELICA
DELICA
CONDITIONS Report.of approval from the Staff We agree to all the conditions APPROVALOF
THANK YOU Preliminary Plat Approval of Reveille Ridge .We are requesting of Annexation, Zoning and
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Planning and Zoning Commission
Elections and Overview of Commission best
practices
OPEN MEETINGS LAW
&
GOVERNMENTAL ETHICS
Kurt Starman, Deputy City Attorney
Planning & Zoning Commission Update
February 15, 2024
What is the OML?
Title 74, Idaho Code: Transparent and Ethical Government
Chapter 2: Open Meetings Law
“The people of the state of Idaho, in creating the
instruments of government that serve them, do not yield
their sovereignty to the agencies so created. Therefore,
the legislature finds and declares that it is the policy of
this state that the formation of public policy is public
business and shall not be conducted in secret.”
Does the OML apply to the Commission?
YES!
“All meetings of a governing body of a public agency shall be
open to the public.”
Public Agency: City + any “subagency”
Governing body: Board with authority to make decisions or
recommendations
What is a “meeting”?
Meeting:Quorum + Decision
Quorum + Deliberation
Decision:Action
Deliberation:
Receiving information
Exchanging information
Exchanging opinions
…relating to P&Z topics
OML meeting requirements
All Commission and Committee meetings must:
Be noticed prior to convening: 48 hours (regular meeting) or 24 hours
(special meeting)
Notice = posted at City Hall + City website
Be open to the public
Provide the opportunity for all persons to attend
Follow published/adopted agenda
Law allows limited amendment of agenda after noticing or during
meeting
Action may not be taken on an item added to agenda during meeting
Be memorialized in summary minutes (minimum)
Word to the Wise
“The requirement that the
Open Meeting Law be
complied with should not be
evaded by holding smaller
meetings with less than a
quorum present or by having
a go-between contact each
of the governing body
members to ascertain
his/her sentiment.”
Ex parte information
Ex Parte Information Gathering (EPIG): Receiving, off
the record, information or opinion regarding a matter
pending before the Commission
Informal conversations with citizens
E-mail or phone/voice mail opinions (even unsolicited)
Individual site visits, research, interviews
Quasi-judicial proceedings
Due process
Word to the wise
How to handle ex parte information:
Avoid it!
“When a governing
body deviates from
the public record, it
essentially conducts a
second fact-gathering
session without
proper notice.”
BUT another word to the wise:
How to handle ex parte information:
Disclose it!
Public meeting, on site, as a Commission
The Commission is not
held to a standard of
disinterestedness.
Phone/online meetings
The law specifically allows meeting by telephone conference
call (or online platform) IF:
At least one Commissioner is physically present at the
noticed location
The communications are audible to all attending in person
or remotely
Voting is not secret
E-mail, text, social media
Quorum of commissioners on an email thread + Deliberations =
Illegal Meeting. Violates:
Notice requirement
Physical presence requirement
Audible communications requirement
Secret voting prohibition
Creates public records –subject to disclosure under the Idaho Public
Records Act
Even if it is your personal e-mail account, personal device
Administrative message is not “deliberation”
Open meeting violations
Any action taken in violation of the Open Meeting
Law is void.
Subsequent actions are also considered tainted and
therefore void.
FIX: Do-over, from the beginning.
If an action is knowingly taken in violation of the Law,
the actor is subject to being individually sued and
fined, and may be subject to criminal prosecution.
ETHICS
Self-interested contracts
Idaho Code Title 74, Chapter 5; Idaho Code section 18-
1359
Commissioners generally may not be “interested in”
any contract with the City
Some exceptions –consult with the City Attorney’s
Office
Conflicts of interest
Idaho Code section 67-6506
Economic interest
Commissioner
Relative (affinity/consanguinity within the second degree)
Employer / business associate
Recuse
Disclosure / no participation
Gifts and favors
Idaho Code section 18-1359; City Code section 1-14-10
Commissioners (in course of official duties) may not accept
gifts more than $50 in value
Commissioners may not accept ANY gift that might influence
actions on the Commission
Questions? Happy to help!
City Attorney’s Office, 208-898-5506
Kurt Starman, kstarman@meridiancity.org
Bill Nary, bnary@meridiancity.org